EXCUSE ME?!..**The OFFICIAL Bernie Sanders For President 2020 Thread**

Fogdog

Fogdog

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schuylaar said:
it was a prequel post to the argument that @Fogdog will bring.

unfortunately, i can't spend as much time here anymore so i must use my debate time wisely.

forcing centrism and 'it's MY turn' down our throats got us trump.

i keep hearing how NOBODY wants socialism ALREADY..ummmmm, STFU..:wall:

the dream ticket IS bernie/beto..bernie/8, then beto will be ready for his 8.
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Sanders campaign was over when he spoke at a town hall meeting on April 4 in Jackson Mississippi. He's simply too divisive a candidate and panders to the racist white voters.
 
blu3bird

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Unclebaldrick said:
Why don't you represent Tty's interests, corporate sellout?

(Stepping back from the sarcasm, I am getting a bad feeling about her myself. We'll see.)
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Yeah, her Amazon stunt was a stupid move.

I'm no fan of Amazon, but they were bringing 25k jobs, the tax revenue New York would've made from that out weighs by far the incentive they were going to give Amazon. AOC did not think that through very well, she's not hurting Amazon, and now Jeff Bezos is going to go somewhere else and get an incentive anyway and help a different community prosper

Sure, Amazon gets a corporate federal tax break, but all the employees pay federal and state income taxes. The company and employees also pay property taxes that help schools and firefighters. From my understanding, Amazon also offers health care to employees, now there's 25K people that probably don't have health insurance.

All those jobs would help people and families, just not in New York anymore.

She's an immature hot head that shoots off her mouth without thinking things through
 
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Rob Roy

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blu3bird said:
Yeah, her Amazon stunt was a stupid move.

I'm no fan of Amazon, but they were bringing 25k jobs, the tax revenue New York would've made from that out weighs by far the incentive they were going to give Amazon. AOC did not think that through very well, she's not hurting Amazon, and now Jeff Bezos is going to go somewhere else and get an incentive anyway and help a different community prosper

Sure, Amazon gets a corporate federal tax break, but all the employees pay federal and state income taxes. The company and employees also pay property taxes that help schools and firefighters. From my understanding, Amazon also offers health care to employees, now there's 25K people that probably don't have health insurance.

All those jobs would help people and families, just not in New York anymore.

She's an immature hot head that shoots off her mouth without thinking things through
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if she's a socialist about how much of her stolen money salary do you think she will be sending to you?
 
blu3bird

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Well, the line starts over there, she can get in it. She's not the first and won't be the last lol
 
londonfog

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blu3bird said:
Yeah, her Amazon stunt was a stupid move.

I'm no fan of Amazon, but they were bringing 25k jobs, the tax revenue New York would've made from that out weighs by far the incentive they were going to give Amazon. AOC did not think that through very well, she's not hurting Amazon, and now Jeff Bezos is going to go somewhere else and get an incentive anyway and help a different community prosper

Sure, Amazon gets a corporate federal tax break, but all the employees pay federal and state income taxes. The company and employees also pay property taxes that help schools and firefighters. From my understanding, Amazon also offers health care to employees, now there's 25K people that probably don't have health insurance.

All those jobs would help people and families, just not in New York anymore.

She's an immature hot head that shoots off her mouth without thinking things through
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?????? Why did Amazon need a 3 billion dollar tax break ? The 25,000 was only a pledge to hire over a period of time...no fucking guarantee. but back to the first question. Why does the a top company with a 232.89 billion revenue need a 3 billion dollar tax break ? American Express is based in New York should they also receive a 3 billon dollar tax break ? Morgan Stanley ? Metlife ?? etc...
 
Fogdog

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blu3bird said:
Yeah, her Amazon stunt was a stupid move.

I'm no fan of Amazon, but they were bringing 25k jobs, the tax revenue New York would've made from that out weighs by far the incentive they were going to give Amazon. AOC did not think that through very well, she's not hurting Amazon, and now Jeff Bezos is going to go somewhere else and get an incentive anyway and help a different community prosper

Sure, Amazon gets a corporate federal tax break, but all the employees pay federal and state income taxes. The company and employees also pay property taxes that help schools and firefighters. From my understanding, Amazon also offers health care to employees, now there's 25K people that probably don't have health insurance.

All those jobs would help people and families, just not in New York anymore.

She's an immature hot head that shoots off her mouth without thinking things through
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But would those jobs have gone to people and families in Queens area? The economic benefit to the region is undeniable but the benefit to the people in Occasio Cortez's district is reasonably questionable. For example, Amazon's explosive growth and high wages to very well educated people is causing a housing crisis for long time residents of Seattle as housing prices are pushing them out of the market. One of the sticking points in the negotiations with Amazon was a lack of commitment to train and hire locals. Other issues is traffic and parking not addressed, corporate welfare to a hugely profitable company and higher volume added to a sagging public transportation system. It could very well be that Cortez is serving the people of her district and not the corporations.

In a country where companies can go wherever they want and demand perks for their moving into a state or city, New York may well be a loser in all of this. I can see how long term this all might backfire on the region but there is another side to the story. The people of Queens weren't all that convinced the move was in THEIR interest. If the company had come to Queens to be a member of the community rather than faceless company that made demands to lure them there the outcome might have been different.

Not arguing or even disagreeing with you, just saying there is another side to this story.
 
blu3bird

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Fogdog said:
But would those jobs have gone to people and families in Queens area? The economic benefit to the region is undeniable but the benefit to the people in Occasio Cortez's district is reasonably questionable. For example, Amazon's explosive growth and high wages to very well educated people is causing a housing crisis for long time residents of Seattle as housing prices are pushing them out of the market. One of the sticking points in the negotiations with Amazon was a lack of commitment to train and hire locals. Other issues is traffic and parking not addressed, corporate welfare to a hugely profitable company and higher volume added to a sagging public transportation system. It could very well be that Cortez is serving the people of her district and not the corporations.

In a country where companies can go wherever they want and demand perks for their moving into a state or city, New York may well be a loser in all of this. I can see how long term this all might backfire on the region but there is another side to the story. The people of Queens weren't all that convinced the move was in THEIR interest. If the company had come to Queens to be a member of the community rather than faceless company that made demands to lure them there the outcome might have been different.

Not arguing or even disagreeing with you, just saying there is another side to this story.
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You're right and I probably didn't think my above post all the way through. I always count on you to give a thorough explanation of things. I didn't realize that Amazon wasn't committed to hire locals, now it makes some sense to me why AOC might have been bitter towards Amazon
 
blu3bird

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londonfog said:
?????? Why did Amazon need a 3 billion dollar tax break ? The 25,000 was only a pledge to hire over a period of time...no fucking guarantee. but back to the first question. Why does the a top company with a 232.89 billion revenue need a 3 billion dollar tax break ? American Express is based in New York should they also receive a 3 billon dollar tax break ? Morgan Stanley ? Metlife ?? etc...
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I don't know why any companies need an enormous tax break, I kind of just figured that's the cost of doing business, you know give and take
 
Unclebaldrick

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londonfog said:
?????? Why did Amazon need a 3 billion dollar tax break ? The 25,000 was only a pledge to hire over a period of time...no fucking guarantee. but back to the first question. Why does the a top company with a 232.89 billion revenue need a 3 billion dollar tax break ? American Express is based in New York should they also receive a 3 billon dollar tax break ? Morgan Stanley ? Metlife ?? etc...
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And Katz's Deli. That pastrami is good. And that basement. Extra cheese.
 
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