There are a few "breeders" out there with F8's and shit, but most of it is F1×F1 lottery tickets. That's fine and I don't mind hunting for fire, but at 200 for 10 regs, I should be able to pick from 2 or 3 identical keepers. Sometimes I start a whole 12pk of regs and don't get anything resembling either parent, not even a keeper. How's that worth 200 (150 us to cad plus shipping sometimes comes out to more)? Then you can't even talk to the breeder, sometimes you get no answer and sometimes you get the old PFO letter back. I don't mind paying for quality, but I'm not paying for ego. If you can't appreciate customer feedback, better start looking for a gov gig at the DMV or something. Chucking has value, just not 200/pk.
I've been avoiding fems since some real bad experiences when I started out 15-20 years ago. These are the first ones I'm gonna give a go in a while. That's 24 seeds for 120 (160 cad) bucks, should have a pretty good shot of finding something worth keeping.