US to support coup in Venezuela

[Rob Roy]

I'm not supporting military intervention. I think there is plenty we can do beyond that. To claim there is no brutality by government forces is simply false. The following are from AP and Amnesty International. Delivering aid and cutting off oil money are two actions that I think any US president would take. We can trust that Trump will blow this. But thus far, I don't see anything done by the US that I object to. No troops, no air force. Yes to working with UN and Lima Group.

Chavez was the revolutionary leader. Maduro is a fascist dictator that all too often appears later in the revolutionary cycle.


Deadly crackdown stokes fear among protesters in Venezuela
https://apnews.com/4ff1b4d39b7e409da3e496a8745394fd

More than 770 opponents of Maduro have been arrested during the latest push by Venezuela’s opposition to oust the socialist leader, according to a report published Wednesday by Amnesty International, which calls on the United Nations Human Rights Council to take action against those responsible for the crackdown.

PROVEA and Observatory say they recorded 35 deaths during a single week in January — most at night in poor neighborhoods — in addition to eight cases of apparent targeted killings by members of the elite commando unit.

Godoy’s cousin, Marvelis Sinai, said that when agents burst into the family’s home on Jan. 25, Godoy’s mother Ana Buitrago saw her son beaten and dragged out as she begged for his life. Minutes later, she heard two gunshots.


10 things you need to know about Venezuela’s human rights crisis

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/n...to-know-about-venezuelas-human-rights-crisis/

1 - Excessive use of force
Much of the current unrest in Venezuela can be traced back to 29 March 2017, when the Supreme Court of Justice - backed by President Nicolás Maduro - moved to take over the National Assembly, where the opposition holds a majority. This triggered protests that were repressed by the Maduro administration with the unlawful and disproportionate use of force. Between April and July 2017, more than 120 people were killed, around 1,958 were injured and more than 5,000 were detained amid mass protests.

2 - Mass protests
In 2018 there were 12,715 protests across the country, according to the Venezuelan Observatory of Social Conflict. These have continued in 2019 after President of the National Assembly Juan Guaidó called for mass demonstrations against Maduro.

Amnesty’s report ‘Nights of Terror’ revealed how Venezuelan security forces and government-sponsored civilian armed groups have violently broken into people’s homes as a way of intimidating them against taking part in demonstrations or any other form of protest.

3 - Repression escalating
State authorities have undertaken a systematic policy of repression throughout the crisis, but recent patterns suggest this is intensifying.

In the report ‘This is no way to live’, Amnesty revealed how state-backed security forces were using lethal force with intent to kill against the most vulnerable and socially excluded people in the country under the pretext of “fighting criminality”.

There have been numerous reports of human rights violations against protesters in early 2019, particularly in poor areas hardest hit by the crisis, and where pro- Maduro armed groups are concentrated. Venezuelan civil society organizations say 41 people have died in this year’s protests.

4 - Children among detained
State authorities have used the justice system to illegally harass those who think differently. According to the Venezuelan organization Foro Penal, 988 people were arbitrarily detained between 21 and 31 January 2019. Among those detained were 137 children and adolescents, of whom 10 are still in detention. There have also been allegations of torture and other ill-treatment of detainees. Foro Penal estimates the number of people currently detained for political reasons is 942.

The list goes on to detail

5 - Civilians tried in military courts
6 - Three million refugees and migrants
7 - Crackdown on free speech
8 - Economic meltdown
9 - Government in denial
10 - Damaging US sanctions

I would agree that the US sanctions are not a Venezuelan action. They are a US action to cut off funds from the Venezuelan dictatorship. I support cutting off US funds from dictators who violently suppress freedom of speech.

You mentioned "delivering aid" .

Just curious? Would it be appropriate for Russian troops to deliver food aid to famished American homeless people, when American "authoriites" prevent private parties from feeding these hungry people ?

 

[Unclebaldrick]

You mentioned "delivering aid" .

Just curious? Would it be appropriate for Russian troops to deliver food aid to famished American homeless people, when American "authoriites" prevent private parties from feeding these hungry people ?

still pissed about your candy-van being shut down?

 

[Fogdog]

You mentioned "delivering aid" .

Just curious? Would it be appropriate for Russian troops to deliver food aid to famished American homeless people, when American "authoriites" prevent private parties from feeding these hungry people ?

Still living in an imaginary world, eh, Roy?

 

[Rob Roy]

Still living in an imaginary world, eh, Roy?

 

[Rob Roy]

still pissed about your candy-van being shut down?

 

[Covetsculitvars]

Send in Pablo's hippos to grab maduro!

 

[TimBar]

We should have the whole continent. Go take it. Says the white man

 

[Covetsculitvars]

We should have the whole continent. Go take it. Says the white man

You make a valid point tho......I'm sure other countries are already in the jungles taking what they can before a big power takes it all! Logging,oil,gold etc etc etc, they will do anything to line their pockets!

 

[dandyrandy]

I'm glad I'm old. At the present rate of the rich getting richer and the raping of the planet the world will suck soon. All states have warnings now on the limits of wildlife that can be eaten. Fish etc. I've pretty much seen the extinction of quail, grouse, woodcock and other species in my lifetime. Good luck guys! I didn't create this mess. My carbon footprint is extremely small. Good luck.

 

[Covetsculitvars]

I'm glad I'm old. At the present rate of the rich getting richer and the raping of the planet the world will suck soon. All states have warnings now on the limits of wildlife that can be eaten. Fish etc. I've pretty much seen the extinction of quail, grouse, woodcock and other species in my lifetime. Good luck guys! I didn't create this mess. My carbon footprint is extremely small. Good luck.

I call it the age of no commen sense and tide pod pirates.

 

[hotrodharley]

I call it the age of no commen sense and tide pod pirates.

More like the wealthy exploiting the two to do what the wealthy have always done - get wealthier.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

That cunt Mike Pence is set to announce "concrete steps" and "clear actions" to address the Venezuela crisis when he meets this morning with regional leaders in Bogota, Colombia, a senior U.S. administration official said.

The official declined to comment on what the new measures would entail ahead of Pence's speech, to be delivered to a summit of the Lima Group this morning after he meets with Venezuelan opposition leader Juan Guaido, that Capitalistic suck up to Washington that will give the American Oil company's control again in Venezuela.

That's what this is all about, restoring the rights of American oil companies to rape and pillage as they seem fit in Venezuela.

You do understand that, right?

The meeting will come after convoys of U.S. aid designed by Trump to further fuck things up and add fuel to an already volatile situation (that's Trump) were blocked at the Venezuelan border by forces loyal to President Nicolas Maduro. The United States and most other Western nations led by that asshole (go figure) no longer recognize Maduro as the country's leader (kill that Commie)

"What happened yesterday is not going to deter us from getting humanitarian aid into Venezuela (we'll shoot to kill)," the official said on Sunday, speaking with reporters on condition of anonymity. So in other words, we're taking over the country, and if Maduro won't let the aid in, we'll simply kill him, and that will be that.

"The vice president will announce concrete steps," the official said. "You should expect him to announce clear actions tomorrow as he speaks to the Lima Group."

Asked by reporters whether the United States would provide military force if requested by Guaido, the official said that Pence would listen to his suggestions and take them back to Trump.

"Ultimately, it would be a decision for the president to make," the official told reporters, so in essence you know we're fucked, at least those Americans that are sick of the US meddling in Central/South American countries internal affairs.

We have left a legacy of death and carnage in Cuba, Chile, Nicaragua, Guatemala, Honduras, Columbia, El Salvador, not to mention (but I will) our other accomplishments in destabilizing regions around the Globe, such as Afghanistan, Korea, Viet Nam, Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Somalia, Libya, just to mention a fucking few (too many to list, my fingers are tired)

So, who's a betting person?

I'm betting on Civil War in Venezuela, aided, abated, and actually instigated by the USA.

You see, the right of a sovereign nation to determine it's own course, without the USA subverting those rights if we don't agree with them, that doesn't exist.

And we have the balls to complain about Russian interference in elections.

Ha, Ha, Ha!

i'd rather the u.s. didn't have anything to do with it at all, but i'm fairly sure the Venezuelans that are protesting and being attacked aren't there to aid u.s. oil companies...i think they're about as pissed about their political situation as many Americans are, and many of them would welcome some help kicking the thief that stole their government out. if we are asked to help, we should. then we should withdraw, and allow the Venezuelans to do as they wish...

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

You mentioned "delivering aid" .

Just curious? Would it be appropriate for Russian troops to deliver food aid to famished American homeless people, when American "authoriites" prevent private parties from feeding these hungry people ?

In logic, reductio ad absurdum (Latin for "reduction to absurdity"), also known as argumentum ad absurdum (Latin for "argument to absurdity"), apagogical arguments or the appeal to extremes, is a form of argument that attempts either to disprove a statement by showing it inevitably leads to a ridiculous, absurd, or impractical conclusion, or to prove one by showing that if it were not true, the result would be absurd or impossible.[1][2] Traced back to classical Greek philosophy in Aristotle's Prior Analytics[2] (Greek: ἡ εἰς τὸ ἀδύνατον ἀπόδειξις, lit. 'demonstration to the impossible', 62b), this technique has been used throughout history in both formal mathematical and philosophical reasoning, as well as in debate.

The "absurd" conclusion of a reductio ad absurdum argument can take a range of forms, as these examples show:

• The Earth cannot be flat; otherwise, we would find people falling off the edge.
• There is no smallest positive rational number because, if there were, then it could be divided by two to get a smaller one.

The first example argues that denial of the premise would result in a ridiculous conclusion, against the evidence of our senses. The second example is a mathematical proof by contradiction which argues that the denial of the premise would result in a logical contradiction (there is a "smallest" number and yet there is a number smaller than it).

 

[Rob Roy]

In logic, reductio ad absurdum (Latin for "reduction to absurdity"), also known as argumentum ad absurdum (Latin for "argument to absurdity"), apagogical arguments or the appeal to extremes, is a form of argument that attempts either to disprove a statement by showing it inevitably leads to a ridiculous, absurd, or impractical conclusion, or to prove one by showing that if it were not true, the result would be absurd or impossible.[1][2] Traced back to classical Greek philosophy in Aristotle's Prior Analytics[2] (Greek: ἡ εἰς τὸ ἀδύνατον ἀπόδειξις, lit. 'demonstration to the impossible', 62b), this technique has been used throughout history in both formal mathematical and philosophical reasoning, as well as in debate.

The "absurd" conclusion of a reductio ad absurdum argument can take a range of forms, as these examples show:

• The Earth cannot be flat; otherwise, we would find people falling off the edge.
• There is no smallest positive rational number because, if there were, then it could be divided by two to get a smaller one.

The first example argues that denial of the premise would result in a ridiculous conclusion, against the evidence of our senses. The second example is a mathematical proof by contradiction which argues that the denial of the premise would result in a logical contradiction (there is a "smallest" number and yet there is a number smaller than it).

Oh okay.


agentibus emissumque canis de - latin for Who let the dogs out

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

Oh okay.


agentibus emissumque canis de - latin for Who let the dogs out

cladem proclamare, Bellonaeque canes in praedam immittere
cry havoc, and let slip the dogs of war

 

[tangerinegreen555]

Oh okay.


agentibus emissumque canis de - latin for Who let the dogs out

i fututus et mori in igni

 

[Fogdog]

If the earth were flat, cats would have pushed everything off the edge by now.

 

[ttystikk]

I know it, but I can't remember who wrote it.
Yup, that's pretty much sizes up military action taken by the US military since inception.
To protect this country from foreign intervention?
I call bullshit, it was to impose the will of a few American billionaires on nations that had what those capitalistic rapists wanted, to increase their OWN personal wealth.(Divine Intervention comes to mind)
For one simple example, did we enter WW2 to save the Jew's or avenge Pearl Harbor?
Fuck no, most of our greatest industrial leaders, Henry Ford being the most notable, said let all the Jews fucking die, the world would be better off without them, and we did let them die (but we said we were sorry later, so we'll give you a place you can call home called Israel, and fuck that other group that had lived there for millennium in the process, and that has fucking worked out really well for the World at large, hasn't it)
As far as Japan was concerned, it was an economic threat that was curtailing our expansion in Asia, and we backed them into a corner, waiting for them to react, and they did, and we destoyed them and Germany in one fell swoop, cementing our establishment as the Worlds Economic and Military leader.

This nation doesn't do a fucking thing unless there's a buck to be made, and that is the sad truth.

Moral righteousness?

We have none.

Marine Corps General Smedley Butler, in his book "War is a Racket".

 

[ttystikk]

That cunt Mike Pence is set to announce "concrete steps" and "clear actions" to address the Venezuela crisis when he meets this morning with regional leaders in Bogota, Colombia, a senior U.S. administration official said.

The official declined to comment on what the new measures would entail ahead of Pence's speech, to be delivered to a summit of the Lima Group this morning after he meets with Venezuelan opposition leader Juan Guaido, that Capitalistic suck up to Washington that will give the American Oil company's control again in Venezuela.

That's what this is all about, restoring the rights of American oil companies to rape and pillage as they seem fit in Venezuela.

You do understand that, right?

The meeting will come after convoys of U.S. aid designed by Trump to further fuck things up and add fuel to an already volatile situation (that's Trump) were blocked at the Venezuelan border by forces loyal to President Nicolas Maduro. The United States and most other Western nations led by that asshole (go figure) no longer recognize Maduro as the country's leader (kill that Commie)

"What happened yesterday is not going to deter us from getting humanitarian aid into Venezuela (we'll shoot to kill)," the official said on Sunday, speaking with reporters on condition of anonymity. So in other words, we're taking over the country, and if Maduro won't let the aid in, we'll simply kill him, and that will be that.

"The vice president will announce concrete steps," the official said. "You should expect him to announce clear actions tomorrow as he speaks to the Lima Group."

Asked by reporters whether the United States would provide military force if requested by Guaido, the official said that Pence would listen to his suggestions and take them back to Trump.

"Ultimately, it would be a decision for the president to make," the official told reporters, so in essence you know we're fucked, at least those Americans that are sick of the US meddling in Central/South American countries internal affairs.

We have left a legacy of death and carnage in Cuba, Chile, Nicaragua, Guatemala, Honduras, Columbia, El Salvador, not to mention (but I will) our other accomplishments in destabilizing regions around the Globe, such as Afghanistan, Korea, Viet Nam, Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Somalia, Libya, just to mention a fucking few (too many to list, my fingers are tired)

So, who's a betting person?

I'm betting on Civil War in Venezuela, aided, abated, and actually instigated by the USA.

You see, the right of a sovereign nation to determine it's own course, without the USA subverting those rights if we don't agree with them, that doesn't exist.

And we have the balls to complain about Russian interference in elections.

Ha, Ha, Ha!

I just started a similar thread and it's amazing how many 'Trump haters' are backing this coup all the way.

Speaking of foreign interference in American elections, why hasn't the brazen behavior of Israel ever been investigated?

And Americans wonder why the rest of the world doesn't respect us anymore.

 

[ttystikk]

You mentioned "delivering aid" .

Just curious? Would it be appropriate for Russian troops to deliver food aid to famished American homeless people, when American "authoriites" prevent private parties from feeding these hungry people ?

Careful, that might make sense.

We put people in prison for leaving water in the desert for people who might die of thirst. Seriously.