Or_Gro
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Lol...it’s science...Damn good thing I didn't look at this while blazed out of my mind. Might have never heard from me again
Epic 4x4 Flowering Smackdown : 96 Elites vs 288s
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Brock_Fawkin_Samson
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Where did you get your light meter and what did it set you back? What's the WV range, does it go outside of PAR?
Or_Gro
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The one with the spectrum graphics above is this:
https://www.sekonic.com/united-states/products/c-7000/overview.aspx
Very $$$$, specs at link...my only complaint is that it doesn’t cover UVC->UVA wavelengths.
For intensity (ppfd), i generally use this:
https://www.apogeeinstruments.com/mq-500-full-spectrum-quantum-meter/
A less expensive tool for intensity is a lux meter, depending on brand/model...the mfg co should be able to provide the lux to ppfd conversion factor for lights to convert lux to ppfd. Here is a common one:
Hopefully you have better luck with your qb96 elites. I have two that are in box, waiting to be returned. I hated the way it structured the plants. It vegged decent but got lots a stretch when i flipped to flower. Almost an extra inch bewteen nodes on a strain iv been growing for years, and ended up with popcorn nugs. Super disappointment. Could be the huge amount of green in its spectrum.... there is a couple articles stating that if there is too much green in the spectrum the plants will elongate the stems, kinda like too much far red (SAS). Plants think they are being shaded.
I have my hlg260 at 3000k back up in its place. I can hit 1.4 grams per watt using that setup. Now the company HLG is ingorning me not honoring the warranty. Go figure. I talked to growmau5 and they shutdown Chilled Tech for a couple weeks to finalize new products... which im assuming the gen3 board will be out soon. Cant wait to see what he comes out with.
Looking forward to your grow @Or_Gro really curious how the smackdown will play out. See if you get simular results. Maybe its just me lol.
I have my hlg260 at 3000k back up in its place. I can hit 1.4 grams per watt using that setup. Now the company HLG is ingorning me not honoring the warranty. Go figure. I talked to growmau5 and they shutdown Chilled Tech for a couple weeks to finalize new products... which im assuming the gen3 board will be out soon. Cant wait to see what he comes out with.
Looking forward to your grow @Or_Gro really curious how the smackdown will play out. See if you get simular results. Maybe its just me lol.
Or_Gro
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Pics later, but busy day, doin:
- making ~80 gals RO water
- nutesoup swapout: draining veg soup, replacing w flower soup at same EC (~1.0), will ramp to 1.5 ec by end of stretch.
- partial defol: removing a couple pairs of basal fan leaves. Doing two partial defols b4 12:12 to maintain growth rate, while directing energy to tips of mains and laterals.
- tip reposition: basal laterals have stretched to same height as main tips, pulled outside ones to same distance from center as tips of mains, then spread all outside tips evenly. Will position interior tips in a day or two, after finishing defol.
- setting up co2 controllersq
- testing disolved oxygen levels
- making ~80 gals RO water
- nutesoup swapout: draining veg soup, replacing w flower soup at same EC (~1.0), will ramp to 1.5 ec by end of stretch.
- partial defol: removing a couple pairs of basal fan leaves. Doing two partial defols b4 12:12 to maintain growth rate, while directing energy to tips of mains and laterals.
- tip reposition: basal laterals have stretched to same height as main tips, pulled outside ones to same distance from center as tips of mains, then spread all outside tips evenly. Will position interior tips in a day or two, after finishing defol.
- setting up co2 controllersq
- testing disolved oxygen levels
Or_Gro
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We’ll see how the smackdown girls do....
But, i’m not seeing much stretch at all.
I flowered the mothers and the clones that didn’t make the smackdown cull. I basically did no training beyond spreading out the mains for light penetration. Nothing spectacular, but i didn’t do much besides holding my normal non-co2 variables in range.
Here are the mothers (week seven of flower, under 4 96s and 3 gromau pucks):
Six plants, in 4 gal buckets, hoping for a qp each.
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Or_Gro
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Hear are the culled sisters, 2 weeks behind the mothers, went 12:12 with 3 nodes on each main (lol), 2 mains oer plant, 2 plants per 4-gal bucket; under 4 96s, no far red...
So far, my experience is so opposite of yours, that i’ve wondered whether the 96s are too good at minimizing stretch...
I’ve had about 1000 ppfd on them since 12:12, that may be a difference between my and your experience....
So far, my experience is so opposite of yours, that i’ve wondered whether the 96s are too good at minimizing stretch...
I’ve had about 1000 ppfd on them since 12:12, that may be a difference between my and your experience....
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Or_Gro
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Dwc here, but that shouldn’t really affect stretch.
Feel free to pm me with pics and a description of your equip and process...i can try to help you identify diffs that may help.
Ibn Vapin
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I vegged an Original Glue with a QB96 and flowered with it as well, for part of the flowering run. Added more lights later, but, she ended up yielding me a half pound of primo bud that puts me in the clouds constantly. Let me see if Dropbox will cooperate today...
Here's what she looked like at the end.
I did have 2 Kind lights in there with it, but only for a month to a month and a half or so. Half pounder.
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Just one
Or_Gro
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No worries, all the best man!
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Day 52 from leaving cloner: Both tents re-souped to ~1.0 ec of flower nutes, gff bacteria, 6.1 pH, ~68F.
Girls are a little haggard after repositioning and partial defol.
All 4 strains are working on 7th node pair, Jack Herer and Trainwreck, on left, have slightly larger internode lengths than Original Glue and Green Crack.
6x96:
8x288:
Girls are a little haggard after repositioning and partial defol.
All 4 strains are working on 7th node pair, Jack Herer and Trainwreck, on left, have slightly larger internode lengths than Original Glue and Green Crack.
6x96:
8x288:
