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Stiickygreen
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I grew 4 Afghani plants in my yard in Independence in 1982...and did 6 in '83. hid em right in the back fenceline...200 ft from the road. I could see em but nobody else did. OK...my old neighbor next door finally got wise...... "Them ain't tomotoes"....so i ended up taking some beers over and getting him about half crocked and told him it was pot and that a joint made ya feel about the same way. He laughed and said "Well it can't be all bad then" and that was that 
Oh yeah....dog runs.....some get pretty large. Would work well. Better than plastic or polycarbonate. Just put up screening so it can't be seen/etc. Gotta worry about the rippers too....prolly as much as the cops...
Oh yeah....dog runs.....some get pretty large. Would work well. Better than plastic or polycarbonate. Just put up screening so it can't be seen/etc. Gotta worry about the rippers too....prolly as much as the cops...
Bodyne
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true that, but way easy, like you say on the screening, if legal numbers, let the cops come, be the rippers I be lookin for, lol and out in the booger woods like Im at, Ive bout run off everyone anyhow so far out no likes to visit while gas is high, lmfao.I grew 4 Afghani plants in my yard in Independence in 1982...and did 6 in '83. hid em right in the back fenceline...200 ft from the road. I could see em but nobody else did. OK...my old neighbor next door finally got wise...... "Them ain't tomotoes"....so i ended up taking some beers over and getting him about half crocked and told him it was pot and that a joint made ya feel about the same way. He laughed and said "Well it can't be all bad then" and that was that
Oh yeah....dog runs.....some get pretty large. Would work well. Better than plastic or polycarbonate. Just put up screening so it can't be seen/etc. Gotta worry about the rippers too....prolly as much as the cops...
Have fam in independence. rough lil kc burb I thought, not as bad as grandview but bigger, lol
Missouri is different than other states. St.louis and Kansas City is a little more laid back than the rest of the state. The drug task forces and prosecutors are having a hard time with this. I think it will be like Michigan when they passed medical the drug task forces started harassing the card holders. I have a feeling this section where you have to allow wateantlees searches was their two cents worth.
It doesn’t matter if they have the time or money to do this. It is in writing that they can.
The health department doesn’t have the right to take away or rights to be free from warrentless searches.
Hell 4 months ago a drug task force in a small town in Missouri raided a shop for selling cbd oil. at the same time st.louis was selling it all over with no problem.
I live in a county that the drug task force thinks pot is evil.
Stiickygreen
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Colorado was no different back in the day. We had a mean Drug Task Force here as well. They busted a house on my street while I was actively growing hard as well. They questioned my neighbor but stopped short of coming to my house...and that was a good thing cus at the time i was fighting odor. They ended up finding 225 plants in the guys house. When Med hit in 2000 we went through a period here where the cops were STILL trying to kick in doors and shit.....that is...until the TAXPAYERS raised Hell and told them it was legal and a waste of their tax dollars to harass med folks. Point is...even here in CO.....where many folks think we NEVER faced illegality...we had the same shit going on as everyone else does. You either find yer nuts...or you don't in those situations....
My county now uses "Codes" as an in. First person to show will be County Code en forcement if they wanna see if you are over count. Then..if you are....it will funnel into LEO's gig. Fortunately...in their push to regulate above and beyond what the law says they can do....they enacted FINES rather than talking JAIL TIME for overrages.Looks like $1000 fine and they will likely cut down the excess. I'm taking my chances....LOL.....whatever. As long as there's no limit of how many GUNS folks can have....I'm growing what I want/how many I wanna grow. I worked all my life and have ample funds for attorneys and shit...so hey.....whatever. Not gonna stop havin fun cus they MIGHT come. We'll just worry about it if they do....as always. I just wish I had somewhere for all of this pot to go...LOL. That shit just piles up when there's no market...but fuck it./..i love to grow...and we can legally keep all we grow...so no worry there. It is kinda nuts though...LOL...never woulda guessed it 10 years ago when I just couldn't keep up with demands. Ah.......legalization....
My county now uses "Codes" as an in. First person to show will be County Code en forcement if they wanna see if you are over count. Then..if you are....it will funnel into LEO's gig. Fortunately...in their push to regulate above and beyond what the law says they can do....they enacted FINES rather than talking JAIL TIME for overrages.Looks like $1000 fine and they will likely cut down the excess. I'm taking my chances....LOL.....whatever. As long as there's no limit of how many GUNS folks can have....I'm growing what I want/how many I wanna grow. I worked all my life and have ample funds for attorneys and shit...so hey.....whatever. Not gonna stop havin fun cus they MIGHT come. We'll just worry about it if they do....as always. I just wish I had somewhere for all of this pot to go...LOL. That shit just piles up when there's no market...but fuck it./..i love to grow...and we can legally keep all we grow...so no worry there. It is kinda nuts though...LOL...never woulda guessed it 10 years ago when I just couldn't keep up with demands. Ah.......legalization....
Bodyne
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if Mogrow had read the actual article on the cbd raids, those folks were advertising it for cures and health benefits, according to the FDA after they approved epidiolex for big pharma last month, you cannot advertise it cures anything, they have the patent. That's why you are seeing lots of CBD places advertising it for your pets now more than for a cure, etc. You are just wrong and behind the times, dude, Im sorry for that. Google the article, KC and ST Lou have already done the decriminilation thing, aka the 100 gram rule and there is legislation trying to get passed that would make it statewide. When they raided the cbd places, they just removed the cbd, they didn't arrest anyone. Google it. You are simply behind the times on this subject, I get your angst of how it looks on paper, but you need to go the New Approach MO website and just read, it will inform you of corrections of your misconceptions. LMFAO, Michigan yesterday the governor absolved their medical marijuana licensing board for being ineffecient for the mmj patients. Bro, you gotta read more and read the whole article and then make your summation. Cherry picking the first sentence of an article you might find or your opinion overriding facts just makes you look silly. These are big steps in MO, look at AR and IL, how long have they been at it, AR hasn't even got the clubs goin yet after two yrs. Please, no offense intended, go to the New Approach MO site, especially on FB, and they will answer any question you have or fear. They are the backbone behind this amendment getting passed.
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Bodyne
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Sticky, they all do that zoning code thing, Oregon did, springfield mo is trying to do it right now, the example in Oregon, you know what happened, in Medford, the city councilmen got voted out and then big times Sheriff Winters resigned. This guy just hasn't done any homework, he's freakin at the worst case scenarios and trying to twist it into freedoms, lol. I can't get him to understand. And you are right, I dont' give a fuck what's on paper, although being legal takes a weight off your shoulders, Im gonna grow my medicine. But this guy, arrrrrrr, lol, honestly, this is why MO is thought of sometimes as the new Mississippi, lol. Just joking, but I swear, how many times can you explain? I was on the phone with New Approach last nite while we were posting just to make sure on some things. You really have to read the language of the actual bill to see the details.And the fact that MO is basically broke when it comes to manpower to check every lil grower, that's just preposterous to think they are. If they get complaints they will, hence don't let noone know you growin. That's the only time I ever heard of living in Oregon 6 yrs to rec legal that they would come, if someone complained, not random.
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Stiickygreen
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Folks should have NO fear if they are planning to truly grow Medically for health reasons and are not just using the card/Program as a sheild to sling weed out the backdoor and ignore counts/etc. If that is your plan...more power to ya...but realize...there's no defense Medically if you take it all outside the parameters as written.
But once it goes MED...it's that DR-PATIENT thing that comes into play. Takes it to a completely different place than before. I know it's hard for some to fathom....it surely was here when I had those officers IN my house and heard them say "You are well in your rights to do what you are doing. We don;t agree with this law but we have to enforce it just the same as written". Watching them walk back out the door after they tell you they can't fuck with you is like an acid trip after all of those years of slinging commercially and risking it all.
Bottom line...they AREN'T COMING. If you live in FEAR...they WIN. Get it? Just do what you do...don't think it's your new cash cow./don't deal....and all will be well. If you do deal/take it outside the realm....make sure you have an attorney on retainer (I did for 10 years..LOL). Cost me dearly...but it was my way of losing the FEAR and just playing hard rather than worrying. Weigh the risks. IF bags are still $300 there...i'd be knockin that shit out of the park while I could. That ain't gonna last long...believe me. Bags will be $100 in 2 years if not less. Shit..i have to give it away here...LOL. (please come and get some...) We can legally gift 1 z here.... but there are NO sales allowed whatsoever. No fear of a bust here anymore.....but then again...there's no real reason to go BIG unless yer just crazy like me and have been doing it for 30 years and can't slow it down because you love to see this plant express itself.
But once it goes MED...it's that DR-PATIENT thing that comes into play. Takes it to a completely different place than before. I know it's hard for some to fathom....it surely was here when I had those officers IN my house and heard them say "You are well in your rights to do what you are doing. We don;t agree with this law but we have to enforce it just the same as written". Watching them walk back out the door after they tell you they can't fuck with you is like an acid trip after all of those years of slinging commercially and risking it all.
Bottom line...they AREN'T COMING. If you live in FEAR...they WIN. Get it? Just do what you do...don't think it's your new cash cow./don't deal....and all will be well. If you do deal/take it outside the realm....make sure you have an attorney on retainer (I did for 10 years..LOL). Cost me dearly...but it was my way of losing the FEAR and just playing hard rather than worrying. Weigh the risks. IF bags are still $300 there...i'd be knockin that shit out of the park while I could. That ain't gonna last long...believe me. Bags will be $100 in 2 years if not less. Shit..i have to give it away here...LOL. (please come and get some...) We can legally gift 1 z here.... but there are NO sales allowed whatsoever. No fear of a bust here anymore.....but then again...there's no real reason to go BIG unless yer just crazy like me and have been doing it for 30 years and can't slow it down because you love to see this plant express itself.
Bodyne
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I never have to worry bout dealing, I share a tad, but its hard to keep up with my own appetite and needs every round, lol, for real. RIght now in MO, the law passed, you can get your dr letter, and by the way, the MO dr recommendation is one of the most professional looking letter Ive seen, in oregon more like a form letter they just fill in the blanks. But since the state isn't ready yet, you technically can be legal, but can't legally get any mj yet. Just until July. That part is crazy, kinda, but again, compared to AR and others, moving along just fine. I still can't get over Oklahoma, lol, never thought they'd have a program like they have. Can have guns, can be out of state cardholder and use their clubs, grow your own, etc. All within a yr. Who'd thunk it? And my idea of going big is just going to bigger containers, ummm, cough cough smaller numbers, and more yield. Variety is gonna have to take a back seat to yield for me. Another thing is, Sticky, they'll always check a caregiver or someone growing for themselves and two others, albeit legal, for the numbers and weight game, the single cardholder cultivators, they just won't be able to check them all, its that simple, just gotta follow those rules and not have a worry in the world.
Stiickygreen
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There was a time here when there was no limit on caregiverships. None. The only limit was ball size. I know folks who had 100 cards in hand at one point. That only lasted a few years before they figured out folks were banking hard on such loopholes and changed the Program to reflect that knowledge. Then we got "extended counts". Pay the pot doc an extra $150 and get up to 99 extra on your card. That again...only lasted for a number of years before folks fucked it up going huge and they changed the rules yet again in response. Now it's 24 max on the med side. The wife and I both had that many on our cards for a few years there...a gift from our long-time pot doc. Good times....pre-legality/dispensaries/etc. After all of that hit....things went to shit fast. I'm just glad I played along for 20 years BEFORE it all went legal. We made hay while the Sun shined, for sure. It is hard to believe about OK/MO/etc....but then again....I think they see that as this unfolds....sales get harder and the whole Black Market thing diminished to the point where it becomes a full time job just to find someone to buy the stuff for a shit ass price. Supply/demand takes ahold...believe me. It will be NUTS at first...then everyone sets up to cash in....it becomes common..... and then nobody wants to pay shit for it...LOL.
Stiickygreen
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I'm not sure exactly what the Medical parameters are here now. After 10+ years on the Registry we gave up our cards when Rec hit in 2014 and the individual right to grow kicked in. We definitely saw many, many changes in our years in the program though. Just crazy.
Check this article out and read the last couple of paragraphs.
https://www.riverfronttimes.com/newsblog/2019/01/14/st-louis-county-will-stop-prosecuting-marijuana-possession-under-100-grams
The citizens of St.Louis booted the old prosecutor that had been there forever Robert Mccullogh out. The new prosecutor and the police do not get along. The police had already figured out a way to bust people for over 35 Grams. They are going to send the charges to the state. There is conflict and it isn't going to get resolved anytime soon.
If you want to see how our drug task forces work. Last year they were taking peoples houses and cars for growing weed. I'm talking a couple plants.
In Missouri any seized property from drug crimes is supposed to go to the schools. So what they would do is bring in the feds and let them charge you. Then the feds give 80% to the arresting agency AKA the drug task forces.
The drug task forces all over the state were sued by a college kid over FOIA laws. The kid won pretty much all of them. Very interesting read.
http://show-mecannabis.com/2015/02/report/
I am long time resident of this area and very well aware of what's going on. I do not just read article headlines and make an assumption.
Bodyne
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Fair enough bro, I guess its just different perspectives. In your case, I guess go back to underground growing and don't be medical. I do apologize, I didn't mean any disrespect, I can tell you are in the Lou, KC has also done the 100 gram thing and also has advertised drs, whereas I haven't seen that in St Lou yet, or should say heard, im not there. I do know Sheriff arnott in Spfd is doing the supposed colorado comparisons on driving while stoned, making it sound like its fentynl, dead set against it. Myself personally, I just want to grow my own medicine, got burnt on club meds in oregon. I'll hope for the best. Good luck in your endeavors. Again, apologies for the sandpaper tone
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Chebamunk13
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Happy MO is finally seeing the light
