Electric sky ES 300

[TEKNIK]

If I made something as good as they claim they have I would show the test reports to everyone. The fact that they haven't done that and are selling something without showing proper reports tells me something is wrong

 

[Prince Vegeta]

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This is their original Equetorial spectrum.
The new one is a little different & i will prob share it via a Spectrometer here on riu .
Amare has the highest red content available that I'm aware of over any other enhanced white competition available. 630,660,730 is used as well as 470.
Opps wrong thread.

Bro I'm a complete idiot about this new light i got and I welcome any info on it
Much appreciation

 

[TEKNIK]

I do not think you paid too much, nor do I think that it won't perform well. Like I said before the quality looks good and performance is probably great. My issue is that companies do not release important data for people to see but instead rely on marketing. My issue with this particular light is its claimed [email protected]/joule. It would need to be performing at around 190 lumens per watt @cri95, that is unheard of even with tweaks with mono colours. If they have such high performance they could be selling these lights to the film/industry and also museums would be very interested. Do not think you were ripped but the data just doesn't add up regarding CRI95 @2.7m/joule @660W

 

[Randomblame]

Brother, that's one of the best lights currently available and on par with fluence latest spider2i(which btw also use Osram diodes). As RUI member you can also get a fat discount which makes it even more interesting. The strip/bar design is the most efficient way to enlighten a certain surface area evenly, it creates unbeatable uniformity already with 6" distance which means there is almost no light loss on the walls. And hundreds of small light sources create such a diffuse light that you see almost no shadows. The light can travel as deep as possible cause it comes from multiple angles which means you'll get excellent penetration. And no! I'm not the owner and I do not have this fixture but I recognize a good light when I see one.

When you mix let's say 10w CRI80 in 3500°k with 5w deepred you get 15w ~3000K/CRI90+!
Osram has used this array(not COB) technique for many years to create lighting solutions for museums, show rooms and photographers.
The Osram Square series hyperreds used in these lights are currently the most efficient deep-red diode on the market reaching 60% efficiency at 700mA and 66% at 350mA. That's up to 1120mW at 700mA(VO bin) or f.....' 3,91μMol/J.
LM301b reach ~2,5μMol/s at 125mA and even more if you drive them lower. So a mix of this two diodes could hit 3,0μMol/J if you want. And you have already CRI90+!
But they have added other mono's too to fill the light blue/cyan gap for instance(470-495nm) and this means CRI95 or better is possible. It works exactly this way and you can get much higher efficency like from LM301b/CRI90 and you beat also CRI80 easily.
If you don't believe me..
LED-tech.de has a nice spectrum simulator using exactly Samsung LM301b(Zeus boards and strips) and Osram Oslon/Oslon Square as additional mono's. You will find the configuration tool directly on their homepage. You get μMol/s, μMol/J, lumen, watt, aso and a spectrum SPD of course.

 

[Prince Vegeta]

Brother, that's one of the best lights currently available and on par with fluence latest spider2i(which btw also use Osram diodes). As RUI member you can also get a fat discount which makes it even more interesting. The strip/bar design is the most efficient way to enlighten a certain surface area evenly, it creates unbeatable uniformity already with 6" distance which means there is almost no light loss on the walls. And hundreds of small light sources create such a diffuse light that you see almost no shadows. The light can travel as deep as possible cause it comes from multiple angles which means you'll get excellent penetration. And no! I'm not the owner and I do not have this fixture but I recognize a good light when I see one.

When you mix let's say 10w CRI80 in 3500°k with 5w deepred you get 15w ~3000K/CRI90+!
Osram has used this array(not COB) technique for many years to create lighting solutions for museums, show rooms and photographers.
The Osram Square series hyperreds used in these lights are currently the most efficient deep-red diode on the market reaching 60% efficiency at 700mA and 66% at 350mA. That's up to 1120mW at 700mA(VO bin) or f.....' 3,91μMol/J.
LM301b reach ~2,5μMol/s at 125mA and even more if you drive them lower. So a mix of this two diodes could hit 3,0μMol/J if you want. And you have already CRI90+!
But they have added other mono's too to fill the light blue/cyan gap for instance(470-495nm) and this means CRI95 or better is possible. It works exactly this way and you can get much higher efficency like from LM301b/CRI90 and you beat also CRI80 easily.
If you don't believe me..
LED-tech.de has a nice spectrum simulator using exactly Samsung LM301b(Zeus boards and strips) and Osram Oslon/Oslon Square as additional mono's. You will find the configuration tool directly on their homepage. You get μMol/s, μMol/J, lumen, watt, aso and a spectrum SPD of course.

Alot of that was confusing
But a lot of I made sense
Its just the technical jargon that throws me off
Hope you guys all follow my journal when I start it as I'm going to need a lot of help understanding the best placement height and other stuff

 

[TEKNIK]

Brother, that's one of the best lights currently available and on par with fluence latest spider2i(which btw also use Osram diodes). As RUI member you can also get a fat discount which makes it even more interesting. The strip/bar design is the most efficient way to enlighten a certain surface area evenly, it creates unbeatable uniformity already with 6" distance which means there is almost no light loss on the walls. And hundreds of small light sources create such a diffuse light that you see almost no shadows. The light can travel as deep as possible cause it comes from multiple angles which means you'll get excellent penetration. And no! I'm not the owner and I do not have this fixture but I recognize a good light when I see one.

When you mix let's say 10w CRI80 in 3500°k with 5w deepred you get 15w ~3000K/CRI90+!
Osram has used this array(not COB) technique for many years to create lighting solutions for museums, show rooms and photographers.
The Osram Square series hyperreds used in these lights are currently the most efficient deep-red diode on the market reaching 60% efficiency at 700mA and 66% at 350mA. That's up to 1120mW at 700mA(VO bin) or f.....' 3,91μMol/J.
LM301b reach ~2,5μMol/s at 125mA and even more if you drive them lower. So a mix of this two diodes could hit 3,0μMol/J if you want. And you have already CRI90+!
But they have added other mono's too to fill the light blue/cyan gap for instance(470-495nm) and this means CRI95 or better is possible. It works exactly this way and you can get much higher efficency like from LM301b/CRI90 and you beat also CRI80 easily.
If you don't believe me..
LED-tech.de has a nice spectrum simulator using exactly Samsung LM301b(Zeus boards and strips) and Osram Oslon/Oslon Square as additional mono's. You will find the configuration tool directly on their homepage. You get μMol/s, μMol/J, lumen, watt, aso and a spectrum SPD of course.

I do not trust led simulators, they are great as a guide though. If this company has 2 spheres then why have they not released the data for people to see before putting the light up for sale? I am not doubting the light is great quality and performance but I do not believe that they are CRI95 @2.7m/joule@660w. There is a big difference in CRI90 and CRI95, in order for the light to be CRI95 and take advantage of the efficiency of the osram 660nm diodes they would need to increase the colour temperature to well above 4000k to keep the colour on the BBL if not the light would be pink and not cri95. They also have 730nm diodes in the mix which although it is good would have a negative effect on efficiency when measuring the output between 400-700nm as other companies do, unless they are taking the measurements between 400-800nm which I believe should be standard anyway.
I hope thier numbers are correct and everyone is happy but until I see a lab report I won't believe that they have cri95 @2.7m/joule@660w

 

[DesertPlants]

I do not trust led simulators, they are great as a guide though. If this company has 2 spheres then why have they not released the data for people to see before putting the light up for sale? I am not doubting the light is great quality and performance but I do not believe that they are CRI95 @2.7m/joule@660w. There is a big difference in CRI90 and CRI95, in order for the light to be CRI95 and take advantage of the efficiency of the osram 660nm diodes they would need to increase the colour temperature to well above 4000k to keep the colour on the BBL if not the light would be pink and not cri95. They also have 730nm diodes in the mix which although it is good would have a negative effect on efficiency when measuring the output between 400-700nm as other companies do, unless they are taking the measurements between 400-800nm which I believe should be standard anyway.
I hope thier numbers are correct and everyone is happy but until I see a lab report I won't believe that they have cri95 @2.7m/joule@660w

I just sent a request over to them to get a copy of their test / lab reports / Spectrum analysis documentation. I will let you all know if I get any details back.

 

[Ryante55]

I do not think you paid too much, nor do I think that it won't perform well. Like I said before the quality looks good and performance is probably great. My issue is that companies do not release important data for people to see but instead rely on marketing. My issue with this particular light is its claimed [email protected]/joule. It would need to be performing at around 190 lumens per watt @cri95, that is unheard of even with tweaks with mono colours. If they have such high performance they could be selling these lights to the film/industry and also museums would be very interested. Do not think you were ripped but the data just doesn't add up regarding CRI95 @2.7m/joule @660W

Don't the reds bump up the cri? I was assuming the whites we're like 80-90cri and they probably did a flash test to get those numbers so high. Good light with a little marketing BS thrown in.

 

[TEKNIK]

Don't the reds bump up the cri? I was assuming the whites we're like 80-90cri and they probably did a flash test to get those numbers so high. Good light with a little marketing BS thrown in.

Reds do bump up the CRI in most cases, but a very small amount of red would be used to bump it up from cri80 to cri85 using 660nm monos. If you put too much red this has a negative effect on CRI. Cri is about balance not just red but all 15 colours that cri is measuring. CRI is being outdated now by better quality measurements such as TM30 and CQS. TM30 measures 99 results as opposed to just the 15 used for CRI

 

[hybridway2]

Bro I'm a complete idiot about this new light i got and I welcome any info on it
Much appreciation

Sure thing. Welcome to the Fam. BTW!
Have you used led before?

 

[Randomblame]

Alot of that was confusing
But a lot of I made sense
Its just the technical jargon that throws me off
Hope you guys all follow my journal when I start it as I'm going to need a lot of help understanding the best placement height and other stuff

The technical understanding comes with the time, do not worry. I'm looking forward to seeing the light in action, even if it should have "only" CRI90. But why should he lie? Amare has a very good reputation and is known for delivering quality lights. Of course, it's a lot of single diodes in different colors and spectra so there's a mixing effect but it will be minimal repetitive variations in the spectrum when you measure 2" away from the light but I think with 12" you will have a uniform spectrum that has at least CRI90. But I do not doubt it because Osram has also built CRI95 arrays in this way.

I do not trust led simulators, they are great as a guide though. If this company has 2 spheres then why have they not released the data for people to see before putting the light up for sale? I am not doubting the light is great quality and performance but I do not believe that they are CRI95 @2.7m/joule@660w. There is a big difference in CRI90 and CRI95, in order for the light to be CRI95 and take advantage of the efficiency of the osram 660nm diodes they would need to increase the colour temperature to well above 4000k to keep the colour on the BBL if not the light would be pink and not cri95. They also have 730nm diodes in the mix which although it is good would have a negative effect on efficiency when measuring the output between 400-700nm as other companies do, unless they are taking the measurements between 400-800nm which I believe should be standard anyway.
I hope thier numbers are correct and everyone is happy but until I see a lab report I won't believe that they have cri95 @2.7m/joule@660w

Those spectrum simulators are not useless. Almost every company use simulatator tools to develope for instance new phosphor mixes or more efficient die's. When they have created something that could work they start manufacturing samples and real world testing. Probably more complicated like a consumer simulator but the princips and algorhythms are almost the same.

 

[TEKNIK]

The technical understanding comes with the time, do not worry. I'm looking forward to seeing the light in action, even if it should have "only" CRI90. But why should he lie? Amare has a very good reputation and is known for delivering quality lights. Of course, it's a lot of single diodes in different colors and spectra so there's a mixing effect but it will be minimal repetitive variations in the spectrum when you measure 2" away from the light but I think with 12" you will have a uniform spectrum that has at least CRI90. But I do not doubt it because Osram has also built CRI95 arrays in this way.




Those spectrum simulators are not useless. Almost every company use simulatator tools to develope for instance new phosphor mixes or more efficient die's. When they have created something that could work they start manufacturing samples and real world testing. Probably more complicated like a consumer simulator but the princips and algorhythms are almost the same.

One of the issues I find with led simulators is that the real life results can be upto 25% different to the simulation. Matching correct drivers to the boards also makes a huge difference. They are great as a reference and mixing colours is usually pretty close to actual, it's the performance that changes alot to real life tests

 

[Randomblame]

One of the issues I find with led simulators is that the real life results can be upto 25% different to the simulation. Matching correct drivers to the boards also makes a huge difference. They are great as a reference and mixing colours is usually pretty close to actual, it's the performance that changes alot to real life tests

But the μMol output gets even higher when you add more efficient deep reds to CRI80 white even when the lumen output gets lower. A CRI95 sprectrum has probably a lux to μMol conversion factor between 55 and 60, while 3k/CRI has ~70. The deepred increase the efficiency in an array, a CRI95 phosphor mix has usually more phosphors and is denser so when you create it this way you can only lose some efficiency. That's anyway theoretic PPF values and in the end the system efficiency depends on the distance, reflective walls, lenses, etc. and can be up to 0,5μMol/j lower measured on canopy level. Less distance = less wall loss = better system efficiency.

Pretty sure if they already have test reports from an independent lab they will share it with interested growers.

 

[TEKNIK]

But the μMol output gets even higher when you add more efficient deep reds to CRI80 white even when the lumen output gets lower. A CRI95 sprectrum has probably a lux to μMol conversion factor between 55 and 60, while 3k/CRI has ~70. The deepred increase the efficiency in an array, a CRI95 phosphor mix has usually more phosphors and is denser so when you create it this way you can only lose some efficiency. That's anyway theoretic PPF values and in the end the system efficiency depends on the distance, reflective walls, lenses, etc. and can be up to 0,5μMol/j lower measured on canopy level. Less distance = less wall loss = better system efficiency.

Pretty sure if they already have test reports from an independent lab they will share it with interested growers.

You are absolutely correct regarding distance to canopy, it doesn't matter how efficient a light is the spread and distance to canopy is the important thing. This is why for example Spectrum King lights don't work properly, although the quality and output is great then do not have enough spread. They are just a factory highbay light with a few red chips added to the mix. It's the same with most led lights out there, they compact them into a small area and run fans to cool them and keep them cheap to make but the spread is shit. On top of that they then add in lenses so they get a really high par measurement directly under the light and advertise that a 300W light can replace a 1000W hps which people should know by now is bullshit.

 

[DesertPlants]

I got a response back from Amare this morning. Apparently the Solar Bar 800 hasn’t been released yet. When it is, they are standing up a new site just for it and all the lab tests will be posted on it.

 

[TEKNIK]

I thought they were being sold already

 

[Prince Vegeta]

I got one of the first is early release
my bad i thought I mentioned that earlier
But didn't want to come across as some douche
O my light isnt released yet....
When I don't even know what I got other than its supposed to be bad ass

I wasn't trying to mislead or anything

 

[TEKNIK]

I got one of the first is early release
my bad i thought I mentioned that earlier
But didn't want to come across as some douche
O my light isnt released yet....
When I don't even know what I got other than its supposed to be bad ass

I wasn't trying to mislead or anything

No worries
That may explain some of the confusion and why data hasn't been released yet. I will stop talking about it until they release the formal data

 

[TEKNIK]

But the μMol output gets even higher when you add more efficient deep reds to CRI80 white even when the lumen output gets lower. A CRI95 sprectrum has probably a lux to μMol conversion factor between 55 and 60, while 3k/CRI has ~70. The deepred increase the efficiency in an array, a CRI95 phosphor mix has usually more phosphors and is denser so when you create it this way you can only lose some efficiency. That's anyway theoretic PPF values and in the end the system efficiency depends on the distance, reflective walls, lenses, etc. and can be up to 0,5μMol/j lower measured on canopy level. Less distance = less wall loss = better system efficiency.

Pretty sure if they already have test reports from an independent lab they will share it with interested growers.

I am not sure how to write you a PM random blame so I thought I would ask you here, I read somewhere that you use a UV B reptile bulb while growing. Can you explain what you do with it exactly. I have not seen any conclusive research done on this that I trust but you seem to know what you are doing so I will trust what you say

 

[DesertPlants]

Well, I gotta say, I am impressed with Amares communication. I sent some additional questions over and they already responded. It is 8.18 amps as I expected and the 660nm diodes are the new Osram Osalon SSL 150 diodes. Now I am considering buying one for testing.