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[Kushash]

looks like it some kind of reveg?1-2-3-finger leaves stressed out reveg!all so 100%mites

What do you see to say 100% mites.
Micro mites or spider mites?
Is it visible to you in all 4 pictures?
Is it the white specs in the 4th picture?

 

[Killhunter]

You got a micromite. No such thing as virus in cannabis. Read up guys please, no such thing. Bleach/ peroxide everything after you do 2 back to back pyrithren bombs. 2x every 24hrs.

no such thing? That's fairytale stuff dude! Haha

 

[Dr. Who]

The plants pictured in the solo cup are much too big in the cup and if you don’t see a problem with that then you’re an asshole. Period

How about reading the whole thread...

The OP said he left them in the solo's this time hoping to see if it made a difference. He always has them up-potted by now OR he grows properly except for this run on purpose.

Try to not insult oh tender skinned one.....

IT'S NOT HIS POT SIZE that's the problem!

 

[Dr. Who]

Mosaic virus... It's a real thing.

ABSO-FUCKING-LUTELY WRONG!

Cannabis is NOT effected by 99.9% of any Mosaic out there!
Cannabis can get a HOPS viral....There are only a handful of them and I have yet to actually see that!
I have seen pics of some from CO that got a HOPS virus.

Cannabis can not get tobacco or Sunn Hemp virus, PERIOD! (Sunn Hemp is a bean)

@trollsmasher

This is likely Broad mites..
Not Russet's but Broad mites.
He could also have a root aphid problem, as it's presenting like one - A LOT!

Many times a bad mite infestation - Can cause a genetic change or an environmental pheno shift that effects the plant.. Never for the good either. You do see this after broad and russet mite infestations that get real bad.

I have seen a GG#4 that got the Russet mites bad, unchecked for most of the grow and into actual bloom when the bud was forming. Deep into bloom too.
Clones taken from that plant, and treated to eliminate the Russet's.
Resulted in stunted growth with lower THC counts and a more bushy/short plant.....This plant was Russet free BUT, the past infestation changed the genetic pattern's through damage to the gene structure....

This is a real thing.

With a plant that has had this problem for extended periods of time....
Best bet is to dump and burn
Clean EVERYTHING and EVERYWHERE!

Start over with new gear.....

You can cure the plants and try again but, if it does change the plants growth patterns or quality..
You now know why.

 

[3rd Monkey]

ABSO-FUCKING-LUTELY WRONG!

Cannabis is NOT effected by 99.9% of any Mosaic out there!
Cannabis can get a HOPS viral....There are only a handful of them and I have yet to actually see that!
I have seen pics of some from CO that got a HOPS virus.

Cannabis can not get tobacco or Sunn Hemp virus, PERIOD! (Sunn Hemp is a bean)

@trollsmasher

This is likely Broad mites..
Not Russet's but Broad mites.
He could also have a root aphid problem, as it's presenting like one - A LOT!

Many times a bad mite infestation - Can cause a genetic change or an environmental pheno shift that effects the plant.. Never for the good either. You do see this after broad and russet mite infestations that get real bad.

I have seen a GG#4 that got the Russet mites bad, unchecked for most of the grow and into actual bloom when the bud was forming. Deep into bloom too.
Clones taken from that plant, and treated to eliminate the Russet's.
Resulted in stunted growth with lower THC counts and a more bushy/short plant.....This plant was Russet free BUT, the past infestation changed the genetic pattern's through damage to the gene structure....

This is a real thing.

With a plant that has had this problem for extended periods of time....
Best bet is to dump and burn
Clean EVERYTHING and EVERYWHERE!

Start over with new gear.....

You can cure the plants and try again but, if it does change the plants growth patterns or quality..
You now know why.

Perhaps you can enlighten myself and others as to why cannabis cannot contract it then, because many articles and lab tests say differently.

I've read studies where they contaminated mites with RMV and WSMV and let them infect cannabis, which they did. TMV was inconclusive last I checked.

As I've said, never seen it in cannabis, but I'd like to know why it's not susceptible, as I don't have a lab to test this myself.

 

[Dr. Who]

Perhaps you can enlighten myself and others as to why cannabis cannot contract it then, because many articles and lab tests say differently.

I've read studies where they contaminated mites with RMV and WSMV and let them infect cannabis, which they did. TMV was inconclusive last I checked.

As I've said, never seen it in cannabis, but I'd like to know why it's not susceptible, as I don't have a lab to test this myself.

Over some years we (a little local collective of old fart growers) have sent hundreds and hundreds of plant samples to MSU for mosaic testing!

NONE and I mean NONE came back with a positive! For ANY mosaic! Most of the time they had a minor Broad mite issue.

In long, and deep discussions with Proff's and grad students.....None of them had ever heard of actual Tobacco or Sunn Hemp mosaic's in hemp or cannabis....

They can get viral issue's from Hop's virus's but those are few..

You must also realize that to actually confirm a mosaic.....You must use a scanning electron microscope to look at the genetic make up of the virus. By using a chemical test. You can get false positives from other sourced virals that can trip the test.

Those home test's are about as accurate as a musket shooting at a bullseye 25 meters away.

Any testing made by or endorsed by any maker of a "cure" or a virus treatment.
"Should be HIGHLY suspect" as pointed out by the Prof!

Take the time to search at this site - using my screen name and see in dept answer's I have made on this subject!

 

[3rd Monkey]

Over some years we (a little local collective of old fart growers) have sent hundreds and hundreds of plant samples to MSU for mosaic testing!

NONE and I mean NONE came back with a positive! For ANY mosaic! Most of the time they had a minor Broad mite issue.

In long, and deep discussions with Proff's and grad students.....None of them had ever heard of actual Tobacco or Sunn Hemp mosaic's in hemp or cannabis....

They can get viral issue's from Hop's virus's but those are few..

You must also realize that to actually confirm a mosaic.....You must use a scanning electron microscope to look at the genetic make up of the virus. By using a chemical test. You can get false positives from other sourced virals that can trip the test.

Those home test's are about as accurate as a musket shooting at a bullseye 25 meters away.

Any testing made by or endorsed by any maker of a "cure" or a virus treatment.
"Should be HIGHLY suspect" as pointed out by the Prof!

Take the time to search at this site - using my screen name and see in dept answer's I have made on this subject!

No offense, but that didn't tell me anything lol.

Anyhow, I'll research it again I guess, been a while.

 

[Rob Roy]

ABSO-FUCKING-LUTELY WRONG!

Cannabis is NOT effected by 99.9% of any Mosaic out there!
Cannabis can get a HOPS viral....There are only a handful of them and I have yet to actually see that!
I have seen pics of some from CO that got a HOPS virus.

Cannabis can not get tobacco or Sunn Hemp virus, PERIOD! (Sunn Hemp is a bean)

@trollsmasher

This is likely Broad mites..
Not Russet's but Broad mites.
He could also have a root aphid problem, as it's presenting like one - A LOT!

Many times a bad mite infestation - Can cause a genetic change or an environmental pheno shift that effects the plant.. Never for the good either. You do see this after broad and russet mite infestations that get real bad.

I have seen a GG#4 that got the Russet mites bad, unchecked for most of the grow and into actual bloom when the bud was forming. Deep into bloom too.
Clones taken from that plant, and treated to eliminate the Russet's.
Resulted in stunted growth with lower THC counts and a more bushy/short plant.....This plant was Russet free BUT, the past infestation changed the genetic pattern's through damage to the gene structure....

This is a real thing.

With a plant that has had this problem for extended periods of time....
Best bet is to dump and burn
Clean EVERYTHING and EVERYWHERE!

Start over with new gear.....

You can cure the plants and try again but, if it does change the plants growth patterns or quality..
You now know why.

That's an interesting point about genetic mutations driven by external factors. Made me wonder something kind of related

Is it theoretically possible that a plant beset by mites enough to trigger a defensive increased resin production, but not enough to seriously harm it or kill it, could actually produce a more potent, albeit, less attractive, product?

 

[Dr. Who]

No offense, but that didn't tell me anything lol.

Anyhow, I'll research it again I guess, been a while.

It should have told you that from over 400+ test's of actual real world plants.....I have yet to see a pos.

That actual college prof's haven't either. And that they have suspect issues with for profit tester's that have direct ties to makers of "virus cures or treatments"

Check on independent studies by EU countries and Collegiate studies.

I suggest you try google scholar and avoid the general google search...

 

[3rd Monkey]

It should have told you that from over 400+ test's of actual real world plants.....I have yet to see a pos.

That actual college prof's haven't either. And that they have suspect issues with for profit tester's that have direct ties to makers of "virus cures or treatments"

Check on independent studies by EU countries and Collegiate studies.

I suggest you try google scholar and avoid the general google search...

Funny you say that because I just did a search. EVERY one says cannabis is susceptible to TMV... With ZERO explanation as to how or why.

I have a feeling this is going to be another topic where I have to research the research that I was initially researching lol.

 

[Dr. Who]

That's an interesting point about genetic mutations driven by external factors. Made me wonder something kind of related

Is it theoretically possible that a plant beset by mites enough to trigger a defensive increased resin production, but not enough to seriously harm it or kill it, could actually produce a more potent, albeit, less attractive, product?

I have never noticed that result from any mite infestation. I have seen loss though.

I suppose it could be a remote possibility......Maybe by something that the resin production is made to repel (other then uv radiation)?

 

[Dr. Who]

I have a feeling this is going to be another topic where I have to research the research that I was initially researching lol.

I understand that! Been there!

I got close ties to MSU and have a nice working relationship there. I trust whom I talk with and have done organic/old world farming method lectures there and at other schools...

With the boom in micro brewing and the relationship between Hops and cannabis. I have found a whole new world of answers to some problems from them.

The growers group, once took a plant (non cannabis) with TM and rubbed the infected plant onto the cannabis plant...

Testing results from MSU = Neg.

PS

And a whole lot of hand scrubbing after......lol

 

[boilingoil]

I don't always agree with what Dr. Who states but I'll have to agree, as in 40+ years of growing I've never seen TMV on any cannabis plants inside or out.

 

[danjac82]

You’re

It should have told you that from over 400+ test's of actual real world plants.....I have yet to see a pos.

That actual college prof's haven't either. And that they have suspect issues with for profit tester's that have direct ties to makers of "virus cures or treatments"

Check on independent studies by EU countries and Collegiate studies.

I suggest you try google scholar and avoid the general google search...

How about reading the whole thread...

The OP said he left them in the solo's this time hoping to see if it made a difference. He always has them up-potted by now OR he grows properly except for this run on purpose.

Try to not insult oh tender skinned one.....

IT'S NOT HIS POT SIZE that's the problem!

I never stated what the problem was. Perhaps it’s YOU who needs to read and comprehend correctly before you go off on another one of your growing god rants. You’re an old fart who likes to yell at people on cannabis forums while not proving the point you’re trying to make. Congratulations.

 

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[Dr. Who]

You’re

I never stated what the problem was. Perhaps it’s YOU who needs to read and comprehend correctly before you go off on another one of your growing god rants. You’re an old fart who likes to yell at people on cannabis forums while not proving the point you’re trying to make. Congratulations.

Yer panties in a bunch Jr?

Wah, wah, wah....

 

[danjac82]

Yer panties in a bunch Jr?

Wah, wah, wah....

Fueled by the bitterness of having erectile dysfunction and the onset of dementia, Dr Who the growing wizard is like an eagle circling the prairie on the constant look out for opportunities to present silly hippie myths and bad advice. He will have your plants looking like a stick with wilted lettuce taped to it if it’s the last thing he does. You bitter old bastard. Lol. Whatever makes you happy I guess

 

[Killhunter]

Yeah hes confusing the general public. People use "virus" as a general term dude. Just because your plant didnt contract Tmv per se, doesnt mean it's not eternally sick. It could definitely have contracted a bacterial or fungal disease along the way. You had even described it in what you said! It never grew the same..immune system never recovered..

 

[Dr. Who]

Fueled by the bitterness of having erectile dysfunction and the onset of dementia, Dr Who the growing wizard is like an eagle circling the prairie on the constant look out for opportunities to present silly hippie myths and bad advice. He will have your plants looking like a stick with wilted lettuce taped to it if it’s the last thing he does. You bitter old bastard. Lol. Whatever makes you happy I guess

LMFAO!

This guy has one serious case of butt hurt! Good troll though!

Yeah hes confusing the general public. People use "virus" as a general term dude. Just because your plant didnt contract Tmv per se, doesnt mean it's not eternally sick. It could definitely have contracted a bacterial or fungal disease along the way. You had even described it in what you said! It never grew the same..immune system never recovered..

???

 

[Killhunter]

What I'm saying is your plant can become contaminated with a pathogen---virus or not. Could be fungal or bacterial. whether that be transmitted through bugs, or other means like clones getting infected in an aero cloner. That can make your plants do weird things..including strange growth patterns.