Repirations for slavery

[Herb & Suds]

Ok. I think you have the same idea for reparations as me. Not a fucking check cut to an individual but more so social programs geared toward communities affected by the hells of slavery, paid for by the companies and families that prospered mightily from slavery

You are not helping BurtMaklins effort to play the victim please correct course, thank you

 

[londonfog]

You are not helping BurtMaklins effort to play the victim please correct course, thank you

explain. What did I miss.

 

[Herb & Suds]

explain. What did I miss.

By taunting him with the prospect of respect

 

[londonfog]

By taunting him with the prospect of respect

again what has he said that requires zero respect. Did I miss something.
Just simple post it so I can see. Otherwise I'm not feeling you

 

[Herb & Suds]

again what has he said that requires zero respect. Did I miss something.
Just simple post it so I can see. Otherwise I'm not feeling you

Actually I was intending to reply to Fogdog and replied to the wrong post LOL

 

[londonfog]

Actually I was intending to reply to Fogdog and replied to the wrong post LOL

I think conversation were misunderstood with BurtMaklin. He/she is not as bad as some can be on here. He actually has stated that he truly cannot feel what blacks have been through because it has not happen to him, but he does have EMPATHY. That can be a true statement. He is not against reparation, just don't think it should be a pay out ( check/currency ). I actually can find some common ground with him on this.
Now the bigger question is how does he feel about Trump.

 

[BurtMaklin]

Trump should be set on fire, then put out so he can be set on fire again.

 

[londonfog]

Trump should be set on fire, then put out so he can be set on fire again.

LOL.
I think they got tied up when you said you had no black friends. We all can view what a friend is differently and depending on where you live friends can work out to be differently. There is a difference between friends, associates, employees, family..etc
Now if you had said "I don't have any black friends nor would I ever". That would be a different subject matter all together.
My first roommate in the Air Force lived in a fucking rural area on a farm and had NEVER had a black friend.
I'm now his child Godfather.

 

[Fogdog]

Meh, sometimes we swing and miss what we're trying to convey. I've explained myself better since. I've argued my point politely despite you being disrespectful, calling me old (I dont think 45 is "old"), a racist, bigot, implying I'm a misogynist, mansplainer, whitesplainer, etc...

Yes, I think you're arrogant and a hypocrite, and some of the things you say to people you should be embarrassed about also.

Thanks. Do go on about how the shit that black people experience isn't all that bad.

I never saw you retract that. But yeah, I am arrogant for good reason. There isn't anything wrong with that when it's justified.

 

[UncleBuck]

They're just trolls. They make ridiculous arguments, warp and twist anything said, and go completely off topic once they're proven wrong. It's not worth the hassle. If they can't stay on topic and argue the actual point, they're worthless.

We stole wealth from black families that were enslaved

We should pay that back

is that too trolly or off topic?

 

[londonfog]

Thanks. Do go on about how the shit that black people experience isn't all that bad.

I never saw you retract that. But yeah, I am arrogant for good reason. There isn't anything wrong with that when it's justified.

was that really said.

 

[londonfog]

@Fogdog not seeing your argument with BurtMakin on this and I actually went back to read the convo's. I think you are not understanding what was said. im fact here is something I applaud. Take time to read the shit again.

That statement isn't really correct, I do have a clue, but I'm not arrogant enough to think that I can fully identify with the trauma of generations of slavery, racism, poverty and struggling for the rights that should have been afforded to them the moment their feet touched North America. I can try, I can be sympathetic, empathetic and supportive, but at the end of the day I can't claim their experience as my own.

I never said i had a problem with reparations, and in fact I believe there is a debt that can never be paid. Like I said in my first post in this thread, I feel that a check isn't enough nor is it productive for any of the other peoples that have been discriminated against. I feel that reparations should include, and not necessarily be limited to, ammending the constitution to make things that hold people in poverty back. Like socializing health, child, dental care and making then human rights. I think a lot more things should be human rights as well, like having access to affordable healthy food, clean water, housing, a dignified end of life/retirement, etc...but those are other topics for another day. These things can easily take the form of reparations for all the marginalized peoples without diminishing the horrible things black people have experienced, and can only add to the dept they're owed. These things may also help lift all people out of abject poverty, relieving the stress of impending doom that comes with its dehumanizing effect and a feeling of despair. Fixing the broken system that allows discrimination of any kind pays much more homage to the suffering of people in the past than some cheap lottery check.

If that's not good enough for you (like your arrogant ass speaks for all marginalized peoples) and that makes me a racist then I guess...so be it. You and your shitty "gotcha" mentality is a larger slice of the problem, because it serves no purpose, isn't the least bit productive and, after a while, peoples eyes glaze over and no one wants to listen to you. I see you pulling this same schtick in EVERY thread you comment on in the political section. Please post a link to one where you don't act like a entitled, holier than thou ass, calling someone a racist, an old white man, or any of your key, enflamitory, bigoted remarks made to commandeer the conversation and put people on the defensive. It's a lame tactic used by people who don't garner nearly the amount of respect they assign themselves.

Fogdog I'm not seeing your problem with this. Makes for looking for problems that don't exist...unless of course I missed something. Post it if he said it.

 

[BurtMaklin]

@Fogdog

I'm done with this, have a nice day.

@londonfog

I appreciate the fact you took the time to understand what I'm trying to say. Sometimes I am guilty of typing stoned thoughts all jumbled together and pressing the post button. I've learned a valuable lesson to go back, read what I say carefully, and edit so what I'm trying to convey is abundantly clear leaving no room for misunderstandings. I am guilty of many things but being an asshole racist is not one if them.

After reading that speech you posted, which I had never seen before, gives me a little more insight into what many black families had to endure. Being on the receiving end of pieces of shit like that...dude, I honestly dont have the words.

 

[TacoMac]

Half the planet stole wealth from black families that were enslaved

Everyone should pay that back

is that too trolly or off topic?

Fixed that for you.

Once again you completely ignore the actual case at hand and go off on a drivel of complete bullshit. Once more, just for you:

The United States only took part in the slave trade for 24 years. The United States only allowed slavery for a total of 80 years. So ONLY those slaves from those time periods would be eligible. The hard part is proving who that is exactly. Anybody brought here the 230+ years prior to 1783 would need to seek reparations from Europe, not the U.S.

The simple logistics of trying to sort that out make any sort of reparations program impossible to all but a very, very select few. If any.

From a legal standpoint, it's simply not possible.

But keep on living a pipe dream that is never going to happen since that's what suits you best, rather than trying to work with things TODAY that CAN change things.

That's what cracks me up about people like you: you get so easily distracted by complete bullshit that you miss the target on what is real. Do you REALLY think any of these politicians are actually serious about reparations?

If you do, you're dumber than a box of rocks. They're simply paying lip service to minorities to get elected. This is not, BY FAR, the first time the topic has come up. It's been going on for decades, and like other "hot button" issues, after the election is over, it's all completely forgotten.

But rant on, man. It's what you're best at.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

Thanks. Do go on about how the shit that black people experience isn't all that bad.

I never saw you retract that. But yeah, I am arrogant for good reason. There isn't anything wrong with that when it's justified.

.....wow....the single biggest load of horseshit i've ever seen you post....you just lost a load of credibility points...."justified".......

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

ar·ro·gant
/ˈerəɡənt/
adjective
adjective: arrogant

1. having or revealing an exaggerated sense of one's own importance or abilities.
   "he's arrogant and opinionated"
   synonyms: haughty, conceited, hubristic, self-important, opinionated, egotistic, full of oneself, superior;More
   overbearing, pompous, high-handed, swaggering, boastful, bumptious, blustering, patronizing, condescending, disdainful, contemptuous, imperious;
   proud, vain, immodest;
   lofty, lordly, snobbish, snobby, overweening, supercilious, smug;
   pretentious, affected;
   scornful, mocking, sneering, scoffing;
   informalhoity-toity, high and mighty, uppity, snooty, stuck-up, toffee-nosed, fancy-pants, snotty, jumped up, too big for one's boots, bigheaded
   "he's too arrogant to know when he's lost"
   antonyms: humble, modest

Origin
late Middle English: via Old French from Latin arrogant- ‘claiming for oneself’, from the verb arrogare (see arrogate).
Translate arrogant to
Use over time for: arrogant

 

[BurtMaklin]

@londonfog

Here is the post fogdog was referring to, and yes, it was insensitive, and I came off looking like a piece of shit. I dont know what I was thinking when I posted it, when I read it now it makes no sense and us in no way how I really feel. I honestly dont know where it came from, and have spent the last however many pages trying to explain it away. I'd say I was intentionally trying to be a dick and I wish I could say I was drunk, but I don't drink. And yes, fogdog is probably right, and in hindsight, frankly, I should be embarrassed about what I said. I think it was actually that speech you posted that kind opened my eyes a lot more. Like I said, that was much appreciated.

No excuses.

Pretty sure I didn't quote you, I just used those as examples that were fresh in the last couple pages.



Probably not, but I do have positive and negative experiences to varying degrees and feel the same pressures as most people. I'm not going to pretend like I know what it's like to be black, or female or whatever, I have no idea. What I do have is a wife who has been assaulted, a sister that was date raped and a daughter I don't want that to happen to. I did live in Bermuda for a few years when I was younger where all my friends were black so maybe I view things differently, was never racist, and am quite empathetic about what happened and continues to happen to people of colour. I was in a toxic relationship where I was physically assaulted a few times by an ex girlfriend who used and stole from me, but I don't judge all women by that experience. It's not about evening the score, it's about moving on and using those experiences to grow as a person.

Maybe your perception of what it is to be a white man is misguided by the fact that you aren't a white man, but that doesn't stop you from stereotyping me while knowing nothing about me. Does it make you feel better? More important? More right or vindicated?

All that anger seems to be making you more angry. Good luck with that!!

 

[londonfog]

Fixed that for you.

Once again you completely ignore the actual case at hand and go off on a drivel of complete bullshit. Once more, just for you:

The United States only took part in the slave trade for 24 years. The United States only allowed slavery for a total of 80 years. So ONLY those slaves from those time periods would be eligible. The hard part is proving who that is exactly. Anybody brought here the 230+ years prior to 1783 would need to seek reparations from Europe, not the U.S.

The simple logistics of trying to sort that out make any sort of reparations program impossible to all but a very, very select few. If any.

From a legal standpoint, it's simply not possible.

But keep on living a pipe dream that is never going to happen since that's what suits you best, rather than trying to work with things TODAY that CAN change things.

That's what cracks me up about people like you: you get so easily distracted by complete bullshit that you miss the target on what is real. Do you REALLY think any of these politicians are actually serious about reparations?

If you do, you're dumber than a box of rocks. They're simply paying lip service to minorities to get elected. This is not, BY FAR, the first time the topic has come up. It's been going on for decades, and like other "hot button" issues, after the election is over, it's all completely forgotten.

But rant on, man. It's what you're best at.

Wow took a lot of typing to post this dumb shit above.
Dumb ass Tacomac thinks America only took part in the salve trade for 24 years. The Atlantic slave trade alone lasted over 200 years with America heavily involved. So how the fuck this dumb ass ignorant fool thinks 24 years. You can't help someone who thinks they are smart but in fact are rather fucking stupid.
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA was built on slavery anyone who disagrees is ignorant and I will openly debate you on this, but we know my facts will only lead to ignore. BITCHS CAN"T HANDLE THE TRUTH

 

[Herb & Suds]

@londonfog

Here is the post fogdog was referring to, and yes, it was insensitive, and I came off looking like a piece of shit. I dont know what I was thinking when I posted it, when I read it now it makes no sense and us in no way how I really feel. I honestly dont know where it came from, and have spent the last however many pages trying to explain it away. I'd say I was intentionally trying to be a dick and I wish I could say I was drunk, but I don't drink. And yes, fogdog is probably right, and in hindsight, frankly, I should be embarrassed about what I said. I think it was actually that speech you posted that kind opened my eyes a lot more. Like I said, that was much appreciated.

No excuses.

Welcome to the Politics section of RIU

 

[londonfog]

@londonfog

Here is the post fogdog was referring to, and yes, it was insensitive, and I came off looking like a piece of shit. I dont know what I was thinking when I posted it, when I read it now it makes no sense and us in no way how I really feel. I honestly dont know where it came from, and have spent the last however many pages trying to explain it away. I'd say I was intentionally trying to be a dick and I wish I could say I was drunk, but I don't drink. And yes, fogdog is probably right, and in hindsight, frankly, I should be embarrassed about what I said. I think it was actually that speech you posted that kind opened my eyes a lot more. Like I said, that was much appreciated.

No excuses.

Like I said before sometimes we post things that don't read how we want it to. You cleared up your position on reparations long ago with me. You and I can have an open honest dialog. My fight is with others who think different on this.