LED yield results from the rui community, Refuge from HGL threads

[rkymtnman]

You need to watch your red to far red ratio, too much far red signals shading and causes stretching .

i did notice that the emerson board had a 2:1 ratio of deep to far. that seem correct?

i appreciate all the help. i'm gonna do some reading on some of these far red threads today.

 

[boilingoil]

Yes, the only problem I see with the boards are all your diodes are clumped together leaving you less options of dispersing the light over the total canopy area.

 

[OneHitDone]

Ok, now this thread is producing some useful information. As @boilingoil has stated it is about the the ratio of R : Far Red. @rkymtnman needs to somehow factor in the reds that are already in his base white led's.

This brings us to the heavy science part. If I have say 500W of the below spectrum, how would I determine the quantity of Far Red to add to get to the proper ratio?

 

[SupaStona]

Ok, now this thread is producing some useful information. As @boilingoil has stated it is about the the ratio of R : Far Red. @rkymtnman needs to somehow factor in the reds that are already in his base white led's.

This brings us to the heavy science part. If I have say 500W of the below spectrum, how would I determine the quantity of Far Red to add to get to the proper ratio?

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Looks like a ratio of about 20 to 1 to me. It’s like “here’s a crapload of red” and then “oh yeah here’s a sprinkle of far red just so we can say it’s there”.

But the graph is divided into sections, so I’m sure you could apply some apply some math to the chart to try and figure it out. Not sure how one would go about it though.

 

[rkymtnman]

Ok, now this thread is producing some useful information. As @boilingoil has stated it is about the the ratio of R : Far Red. @rkymtnman needs to somehow factor in the reds that are already in his base white led's.

This brings us to the heavy science part. If I have say 500W of the below spectrum, how would I determine the quantity of Far Red to add to get to the proper ratio?

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mine is very similar. i have the 4k diodes so according to the chart i looked at, my relative intensity at 660nm is almost exactly 0.4

so as a rough guess, if i had a spike of 730nm that was 0.2 relative intensity, would that be the 2:1 ratio?

 

[rkymtnman]

and for the r spec @OneHitDone you look like 0.8 at 660 so a 0.4 spike at 730 would be 2:1

 

[OneHitDone]

mine is very similar. i have the 4k diodes so according to the chart i looked at, my relative intensity at 660nm is almost exactly 0.4

so as a rough guess, if i had a spike of 730nm that was 0.2 relative intensity, would that be the 2:1 ratio?

This is where the "Science" and "research" comes into designing a light. Which is where @HydroGrowLED was right in criticizing a lot of the product on the market for only using white diodes.
Someone with the proper test equipment could measure the actual intensity in a specific nm range for each type of led (maybe the manufactures of the chips already have this data?). The we could for example say - I have 1000 milliwatt of 660nm, I need 500 milliwatt of 730nm etc and match it up to the chip that will provide that output at the given drive current the board is running at

 

[OneHitDone]

mine is very similar. i have the 4k diodes so according to the chart i looked at, my relative intensity at 660nm is almost exactly 0.4

so as a rough guess, if i had a spike of 730nm that was 0.2 relative intensity, would that be the 2:1 ratio?

It is unfortunately all a guessing game without proper measuring equipment but if I had your fixture I personally would make 3 rows of 4 740nm diodes and put 1 down the middle between the boards and the other 2 on each end of the picture like "pontoons"

 

[rkymtnman]

This is where the "Science" and "research" comes into designing a light. Which is where @HydroGrowLED was right in criticizing a lot of the product on the market for only using white diodes.

i agree to a point but if you look at the spd chart for her/his rgb light, it's missing yellows, oranges, and whatever is b/t blue and green spikes. which the white diodes have a ton of.

but that video you sent me when the guy did the quick test with just that screw in far red bulb, the spike was pretty high considering how far away his meter was from the bulb.

 

[OneHitDone]

i agree to a point but if you look at the spd chart for her/his rgb light, it's missing yellows, oranges, and whatever is b/t blue and green spikes. which the white diodes have a ton of.

but that video you sent me when the guy did the quick test with just that screw in far red bulb, the spike was pretty high considering how far away his meter was from the bulb.

That bulb has like 15 diodes in it though,
So picture that but distribute the light over the whole area your fixture is covering and the effect would not be so pronounced on your spectrum

 

[rkymtnman]

It is unfortunately all a guessing game without proper measuring equipment but if I had your fixture I personally would make 3 rows of 4 740nm diodes and put 1 down the middle between the boards and the other 2 on each end of the picture like "pontoons"

yeah, for my situation of just 4 plants, i think if i get close that will be good enough for me.

i was actually leaning toward just 2 of the growmaus far red pucks: 1 per 2x3 area to cover teh 3x4

for 60 bucks, it would give me a good idea of what just far red would do for me and then i could go from there.

 

[SupaStona]

i agree to a point but if you look at the spd chart for her/his rgb light, it's missing yellows, oranges, and whatever is b/t blue and green spikes. which the white diodes have a ton of.

but that video you sent me when the guy did the quick test with just that screw in far red bulb, the spike was pretty high considering how far away his meter was from the bulb.

Who cares about missing yellows or oranges? All the spectral research on the web shows these wavelengths are barely absorbed and have little to no benefit to the plant. If you want proof just create a light with only yellow and orange LEDs and see how well it grows plants (or literally doesn’t). Why aren’t there any yellow/orange specific lights on the market if these wavelengths have any importance?

And dude why the disrespect? His/her? It’s 2019 man, intolerance towards one’s gender is no longer cool these days. Guess you didn’t get the memo. My teenage daughter is transitioning to be a boy. I sure as hell hope he doesn’t have to put up with the same shit I’ve seen on this thread. It disgusts me. Live and let live. Let hate die. Imagine if this person you’re disrespecting right now was your own child.

 

[rkymtnman]

Who cares about missing yellows or oranges?

then it's not full spectrum. i thought the idea was to mimic sunlight? have you seen a spd chart for sunlight? it doesn't have only 3 peaks at RGB.

And dude why the disrespect? His/her?

since you arent' familiar with Cammi or Cameron because you're new here (or are you new here?)

when he/she was selling leds, it was a girl. when he/she was selling car parts, it was a boy.

and sorry to hear about your daughter. i hope you gave her a good non-specific name like Pat, Dana or Leslie, it would make it easier.

 

[SupaStona]

then it's not full spectrum. i thought the idea was to mimic sunlight? have you seen a spd chart for sunlight? it doesn't have only 3 peaks at RGB.


since you arent' familiar with Cammi or Cameron because you're new here (or are you new here?)

when he/she was selling leds, it was a girl. when he/she was selling car parts, it was a boy.

and sorry to hear about your daughter. i hope you gave her a good non-specific name like Pat, Dana or Leslie, it would make it easier.

Wow man, what a disappointing response. Sorry about my daughter? Why? I’m happy for him. He is an amazing young man and if that’s what’s going to make him happy at the end of the day, then I’m happy for him. It’s our job as parents to love our children and accept them for who they are, not try to change them into what we want them to be due to our own intolerance or prejudices. Misgendering is not cool my friend, not cool at all. You’re not earning any points with me here. Using the word “it” is plain deplorable. I don’t see where this person has done anything to you, but you sure do seem jaded.

I read this post and I see that a lot of people are treating someone unfairly based on gender biases. What do car parts have to do with LED lights? What does Cammie’s gender have to do with her products? This whole he/she nonsense just shows how biased you are against this person for their gender, which shows your own intolerance (further proven by feeling sorry for my daughter rather than being happy for him because he’s finally going to be the person he always thought he should be). Let go of your hate man, it’s only hurting you.

And sunlight? The sun is a star man, it’s not a grow light, Haven’t you read any studies on light absorption or how plants primarily use red and blue light? Full spectrum is an excuse for not creating the proper spectrum. Plants filter out most of the light from the sun, so if we’re using the sun as a baseline it’s not very efficient. So why are so many companies trying then to re-create sunlight? Why create a light where the plant has to go through the work of filtering out colors it doesn’t need or can barely absorb?

 

[rkymtnman]

Sorry about my daughter?

it's quite obvious that he/she must be in some type of mental anguish re; not identifying with what gender he/she started out life with. and i feel compassion for him/her about that. i'm sure he/she has had hundreds of hours of counseling, no?

And sunlight? The sun is a star man, it’s not a grow light

really? it's the best grow light ever. mankind has only been trying to mimic it since the invention of the light bulb.
if RGB was truly a revolutionary spectrum that he/she came up with in 2009, don't you think all commercial growers worldwide would be using a RGB spectrum?

you sure do sound like LEDGirl to me hyping her NASA spectrum again.

 

[Axion42]

^^

 

[SupaStona]

it's quite obvious that he/she must be in some type of mental anguish re; not identifying with what gender he/she started out life with. and i feel compassion for him/her about that. i'm sure he/she has had hundreds of hours of counseling, no?


really? it's the best grow light ever. mankind has only been trying to mimic it since the invention of the light bulb.
if RGB was truly a revolutionary spectrum that he/she came up with in 2009, don't you think all commercial growers worldwide would be using a RGB spectrum?

you sure do sound like LEDGirl to me hyping her NASA spectrum again.

Sure seems to be a lot of paranoia around here. I can see it’s fruitless trying to have a respectful discussion with you. Now you’re attacking my own child? I think you should seek out some counseling of your own.

I never once mentioned her spectrum but you just did twice. Are we sure you’re not LEDGirl? Or is just that anyone who voices an opinion of reason around here is automatically assumed to be this person? It’s cool man, I’m out from this thread. If you wanna hate, keep on hating. It doesn’t make you look good any more than a member of the KKK voicing hatred towards blacks.

 

[rkymtnman]

Sure seems to be a lot of paranoia around here

seems like you are quite adept at deflection.

perhaps from your own misgivings that you or your wife's parenting skills led to your daughters conversion?

i'm not hating at all. we have a good friend that just converted to male and he blames most of his mental anguish and depression on his parents. and i joke with him that i hope his new dong when he gets one isn't bigger than mine.

so get a thicker skin and realize this a grow forum, not a Dr Phil forum, OK?

 

[SupaStona]

seems like you are quite adept at deflection.

perhaps from your own misgivings that you or your wife's parenting skills led to your daughters conversion?

i'm not hating at all. we have a good friend that just converted to male and he blames most of his mental anguish and depression on his parents. and i joke with him that i hope his new dong when he gets one isn't bigger than mine.

so get a thicker skin and realize this a grow forum, not a Dr Phil forum, OK?

Why you feel the need to continue attacking me or my child no one will ever know. It’s sad when the entirety of your existence seems to be putting down others. I didn’t realize that was a pre-requisite for being a member here.

 

[rkymtnman]

Why you feel the need to continue attacking me or my child no one will ever know. It’s sad when the entirety of your existence seems to be putting down others. I didn’t realize that was a pre-requisite for being a member here.

quite the contrary. i'm relating my own very personal and recent conversion story of a friend of ours.

you are the one that brought your daughter in this convo in case you forgot, not me.

ever hear of the saying don't air your dirty laundry in public?