The Future Holds Bright Light!
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psychadelibud
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Hey buddy I sent you a message a few days ago on the other side, did you never get it?
psychadelibud
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Good to hear from you man, have not seen any activity from you either in a long while. I am trying and hope to get that old KY skunk back in to your hands again man. Just gonna take some time.
psychadelibud
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Damn Max... your getting er' done big time this year buddy! Good luck with that. Are you in NorCal?
Yea , as they keep driving more and more growers out lf the business we keep getting larger to cover the loss , the city , county and local governments keep change the laws and rules in the middle of the game driving smaller growers out lf the game , for example one county in california just changed the law so you have to have at least 10 acres to grow on, two nice five acre grows had to shut down because of it, well 5 acres is normally a good sized grow , then they have shut down multiple indoor growers , , right now there is a shortage lf flower in the market ,
At the end of the season we are going to put in 100k sqft of light dep green houses
psychadelibud
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Yeah man I have heard all kinds of bad shit about Cali lately... the laws and all. I have a friend close to me, that had a lot of Cali connections and he tells me about this stuff. Sucks man for real, but good for you guys running such a large grow. Be careful dude.
I honestly figured with Oregon being at the top of NorCal that Cali would never be having the bud shortages, but I keep hearing about it. Because Oregon supposedly has hundreds of thousands of pounds of bud that they just cant sale. I have heard of ounces of fire going for less than 50 bucks per oz...
Why is Oregon not supplying Cali's losses? I'm sure you could get a lb of fire at that cost for around 500 to 800 bucks.
Because they have shut down much of Oregon is why, they are growing piles of CBD hemp in Oregon , they have a very hard time controlling bud rot and mold in Oregon also so the quality is typicly much lower from Oregon, because the shelf life of flower is only so long all the product that was over supplied has been turned into oils, so now oils are everywhere available cheap and you can't find flower anywhere , this of course effects pricing and supply both ways, many if not ran out of business by prices are ran out by local and state governments, if you are legal you must pay your taxes, if you are not they will take all of your land and property if they catch you , Washington State has completely ruined the business in that state. Michigan is following in Washingtons foot steps, there are many other states that are going legal also , but there is only one spot that has the correct outdoor temperatures and humidity to grow effectively in, and that is in northern california , The people who are growing right now are not the ones selling the illegal bud out the back door, they have to much to lose at this point because of the license and fees and the ones who sell black market are being shut down,
Phillip Morris is buying up land to grow with is what the word is.
The little grower is going to go away, at the lower prices they will not be able to compete in the not to distant future, indeed many have been put out right now. Many of them needed put out though ,
Phillip Morris is buying up land to grow with is what the word is.
The little grower is going to go away, at the lower prices they will not be able to compete in the not to distant future, indeed many have been put out right now. Many of them needed put out though ,
kona gold
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Sad reality of legalization!!!
Big money comes in, greases the local cops, then there goes the last of the real medicine!
Soon more cases will come of illnesses related to smoking commercial farmed by big money.
Smoking chemicals and pesticides are where the future is going.......
I know what you are getting at, strict regulations have testing in place and everyone must grow organic, it will actually be safer now . it's actually more of the small guys who are being put out of business that were the ones using most of the chemicals. I preffer that anyone can get in the game if they wish to include the small guys ,but the taxes and mainly regulations have ran them out, in favor of the larger growers , I will remind everyone it is not the conservative Republicans who are doing this,
kona gold
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Small guys, because they are trying to keep up with the big dogs. So they overgrow themselves!
Big grows just cant yield the quality of the smaller grows. No matter if organic or not. Using organic liquid fertilizers, and spraying organic pesticides, that say its safe to use up till harvest. Doesn't give quality meds, or even healthy smoke. Cannabis pumped up on organic ferts, is just as bad as chem ferts. And if you using pesticides regularly, it comes out in the end product!
And since it is smoked, those products left on or in the plant material, could possibly turn into toxins.
So commercial farming practices are not producing medical marijuana. They are producing commercial crops like other food crops.
Trust me on this, the product quality is very good , and the concentration of marijuana will be grown outside , for several reasons, the main reason is it is much less expensive to grow outside, as competitive as the market is right now all the indoor growers will go out of business, it does not matter how productive they are they will never be as productive as the sun, or as cheap. Now if we get down to quality in my opinion the indoor has a edge in that area, only a slight edge , and even that depends on the grower because in MOST instances the outdoor product is better.
Many growers are going to light dep green houses , this gives them the ability to grow all year round with very little electricity use and the production of mostly the sun most of the year. ,
Not all of these big growers are chumps that grow bad product, most of them are not actually , you should see some of the large indoor Nevada grows , I know one of the guys who runs one of those grows , and yea, he knows what he is doing. He's really really good.
It's all going to come down to cost per unit, the larger growers will be able to produce at a lower cost per unit ,
Many growers are going to light dep green houses , this gives them the ability to grow all year round with very little electricity use and the production of mostly the sun most of the year. ,
Not all of these big growers are chumps that grow bad product, most of them are not actually , you should see some of the large indoor Nevada grows , I know one of the guys who runs one of those grows , and yea, he knows what he is doing. He's really really good.
It's all going to come down to cost per unit, the larger growers will be able to produce at a lower cost per unit ,
kona gold
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I am just wondering when you started growing?
Not trying to be an ass in any way, just trying to get an idea.
I wish I had a way of answer this question without sounding or being arrogant, because I am very arrogant, for good reason. I have been growing solid for the last 15 years , I started when I was 18 , so I guess you could say 34 years, off and on.
My strong engineering back ground gives me a advantage on the majority of growers, ( trying to be humble)
kona gold
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Yes, engineering will give you and advantage in many ways. As far set up, understanding your parameters, and many technical situations.
You have been doing this for a little while now, and that shows!
I don't believe experience makes a great grower. But will help a great grower become better!
I have seen some first time chronic grows.
But why I asked, was just to get an idea of what you are considering top quality meds.
And I am sure you have come across and grown many fine examples of quality herb.
But one thing, is that sometimes folks in the post medical scene, might have a different view on that?
Most everything that was grown in Hawai'i and Cali, pre med, was most likely outdoor grown bush style grows. I know there were commercial indoor and outdoor grows also, but just not like today. So in the bush style grows, people planted, and didn't check on their plants that often. Usually because you didn't want to be seen, leave a trail. So you might do a little top dress or something when you visited. But were not spraying plants with pesticides, or fertilizing very much. So this quality, is what is my baseline for medicine!
But if you didn't grow up pre med, then that might not be what you, or others, might see as quality, might differ. But you are on the edge, so you might have seen some bush grown chronic?
I have tried multiple dispensary herb, "top shelf", and found it less quality that the Humbolt we were getting in Hawai'i in the early '90s. Some of the frostiest, neon green, insane weed of the day!! All of the Pacific Northwest was producing quality. I used to get this herb from this guy who was a gang member in Seattle. The quality chronic he had access to was just out of this world! And it was from Seattle! Out here as well, of course, had some of the best flavors, and potency there was! Prices were very high, some herb garnishing prices as high as $200 quarter! And worth every penny! I would still happily pay that price today to find that kind of quality again.
Now its mostly about appearance, and thc percentages. Which don't necessarily translate to potency or quality of high!
I, from time to time, go to the dispensary here to see what they are working with. Now they are all organic, supposedly, and the so called meds look nice. But when you smoke it, it doesn't burn good, and the flavor is weak, and the affect is not a good one. Its like that, 1st hit might be good weed, but then you keep smoking and it gets worse each time! Something I used to experience with BC Bud. Now Cali, and the other states are producing domestic version of BC Bud! Very dense, frosty, pretty, low quality product! Now I am sure there are still some great growers out there that still create some exquisite herb, but with todays prices, there is no incentive to produce that quality of cannabis! So you are left with the market we have today.
Higher quality mids, but lower quality high grade chronic!
This bud i am showing you is a outdoor grown bud from the triangle area, it smells way better then 99 percent of the bud you will see in any dispensaries or legal recreation shops, not a little , a lot better, the buds are always much larger with a overall better bag appeal then 99 percent of most indoor grown bud, it has a THC level of 20 percent , it is called snow land this straign is,
Most smokers are not conisuiers , most are pot heads that want to get high,
Sure there is Don Pierion wine sold, but a lot more boones farm and mad dog 20/20 are sold then Don,
Here's the real kicker, a bag of this wholesale sales for 50 bucks a ounce , in other words 150 percent cheaper then indoor bud? Is indoor as good or better? Sometimes , is it 150 percent better? No way on gods green planet earth,
It can be produced and sold at a fraction of the cost of indoor, how cheap can you produce indoor and still sell it and pay your bills ? This is why indoor growers will go the way of the dodo,
I would put most of our Humboldt and Mendocino outdoor growers bud up against anyone's indoor anytime, anyplace ,anywhere. Not only that, but for a fraction of the cost.
There will still be a few growers who serve the upper level client base, but just very few of them.
And i do agree, most growers are not in it for the long haul ', they just want a fast buck and will be gone next week. And the quality of most growers is not really very good.
I am just waiting for them to go away.
UncleReemis
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Pissed I haven't been subbed to this thread much sooner. I know I'm quite late to the party on this one.
I can attest to the real KY RKS. One of my closest pals, an old man from KY who semi-recently passed away, was able to obtain it from time to time. I've also spent a lot of time around KY and surrounding areas throughout my life and have had the fortune to come across it a few times. Never managed to get seeds tho, ofc...
But it's real, has been real, just wayyyyy uncommon for most. Pure horrendous smell, not a bit of sweet in her... if anything not skunk, there's some sour, but it's pretty much exactly as described by the old timers IMO. And I'm not an old timer yet, so I've gotten lucky.
With that said..... if you're dispersing beanz, sign me up
I can attest to the real KY RKS. One of my closest pals, an old man from KY who semi-recently passed away, was able to obtain it from time to time. I've also spent a lot of time around KY and surrounding areas throughout my life and have had the fortune to come across it a few times. Never managed to get seeds tho, ofc...
But it's real, has been real, just wayyyyy uncommon for most. Pure horrendous smell, not a bit of sweet in her... if anything not skunk, there's some sour, but it's pretty much exactly as described by the old timers IMO. And I'm not an old timer yet, so I've gotten lucky.
With that said..... if you're dispersing beanz, sign me up
decrepit digits
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Hi max, with 6000 are they all cuts? or do you use seeds too? if so where do you get that many quality seeds cheap enough. Is there a future for someone to make quality seeds? I see no problem going big and keeping quality up and being outdoors you dont even need fertilizer just more numbers. The same plant outdoors under the sun will beat the same plant indoors every time with favorable conditions, but I cant see quality seeds being made outdoors it is just too hard to keep the quality up.
Everyone goes to dark heart and buys the best cultivars on the planet for just a few bucks then uses them for mother’s , next season when we want to change strains we just get what we want, dark heart is a nursery that provides these outstanding cultivars to the top growers, seeds of the grower wish’s to go with seeds can all be sent for genetic testing as soon as they pop. This genetic testing will tell you if the plant is male , female or if it’s prone to hermi on you, it can also tell you the THC that the plant will produce , each test cost 10 dollars each if I remember correctly and you basically send them the water leafs as soon as you can pressed between a piece of plastic, numbers and cataloged so you know what it goes to.
IF you got the OLD REAL DEAL RKS I would love to buy or trade seeds with you I also live in eastern ky..in the past I grew acers of that shit and would love to have the strain back but the feds got ares long ago.