HLG vs HGL Side By Side Take 2

Who do you think will win?

  • HLG

    Votes: 63 85.1%

  • HGL

    Votes: 11 14.9%
  • Total voters
    74
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hybridway2

hybridway2

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Here we go. It is what it is. HLG has the tighter nodes & structure. But the leaves are smaller. I felt it just needed out of that pott.
HGL plant has a bit more stretch going on & appears to be growing more rapidly. Is more frequently in a good mood.
Mind you, neither side is what I'd call optimal ATM. I feel thats more to do with maybe adding to much ewc topdressed awhile back. Either way, no matter how i went wrong, i did exactly the same on both sides.
Right after taking these photos they were transplanted to 3's. In straight Canna CoCo.
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SSGrower

SSGrower

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hybridway2 said:
Here we go. It is what it is. HLG has the tighter nodes & structure. But the leaves are smaller. I felt it just needed out of that pott.
HGL plant has a bit more stretch going on & appears to be growing more rapidly. Is more frequently in a good mood.
Mind you, neither side is what I'd call optimal ATM. I feel thats more to do with maybe adding to much ewc topdressed awhile back. Either way, no matter how i went wrong, i did exactly the same on both sides.
Right after taking these photos they were transplanted to 3's. In straight Canna CoCo.
HGL on the leftView attachment 4337994 HGLView attachment 4337996 HLGView attachment 4337997 HLGView attachment 4338000 HGLView attachment 4338001 View attachment 4338004 HGLView attachment 4338005 View attachment 4338006 View attachment 4338007
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2 questions.
Why is the hgl plant leaning? It just looks like it is reaching, but from what I recall you had an even par across the canopy.

The hlg plant appears to have better growth from the nodes, looking 1 or 2 nodes from the tops. It looks like the growth is longer and fuller. Can you asses this?
 
hybridway2

hybridway2

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SSGrower said:
2 questions.
Why is the hgl plant leaning? It just looks like it is reaching, but from what I recall you had an even par across the canopy.

The hlg plant appears to have better growth from the nodes, looking 1 or 2 nodes from the tops. It looks like the growth is longer and fuller. Can you asses this?
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I guess its leanig cuz its a low, low sidebranch that has been facing the middle of the 4 lights, which has higher par then directly under the light. Been rotating when i can.
The hlg plant is staying shorter & yes, filling out on the inside. Just been fussy.
Maybe the Branch growing in the root system has something to do with it? Idk! Tried posting roots but got jammed up with riu or something. Tom. Peace!
 
whytewidow

whytewidow

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I think judging a light through veg is useless. Anything can n will veg. I'm running 130w of DIY I made that vegged 100xs better than either one of those. Not trying to hijack the thread. But I feel my 130w with the spectrum I made out vegged tons better than either one of those plants. Nice tight node spacing. No stretching or lanky side branching. My side branching is thicker than your main stalk. This is only 3 outta 4 that were vegged under exactly 128.6w

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OLD MOTHER SATIVA

OLD MOTHER SATIVA

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Mind you, neither side is what I'd call optimal ATM. I feel thats more to do with maybe adding to much ewc topdressed awhile back.

>but you promised!!


"I think judging a light through veg is useless."

>it is not "useless"..its indicative...yeh flower is different ..vegging is part of the grow

unlike"useless"..i make no judgement except it is what it is and thats undeniable

and yes we get what you mean

but the lights are already showing differences..don't get scared bro..[jk]

let it unfold

so far we have what we have..and we will see how it turns out and no "opinions" are gonna change that
 
Kushash

Kushash

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I'm going to post a ling to a post on IC, hope that's OK.
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=8575344#post8575344
Post #26


Quote:
Originally Posted by OneHitDone
At the original recommended distance of 12" for veg, plants were not liking it.


Responce from HydroGrowLed
You mean Hybrid wasn't watering the plants fast enough to keep up with the extra growth rate? His plants had zero light stress (which he claimed at 18"). There was no bleaching or light burn on his leaves, nor was the DLI anywhere near high enough to cause any issues. Instead he had drooping, dry leaves that were curling on the edges - a clear sign of underwatering. He later commented in the grow that "Plants are drinking too fast for me & i notice fan leaves aren't as big as usual."

So our plants are growing at a rate that outpaces his feeding schedule (which I had commented on days prior to his admission). The fan leaves are smaller which shows that our plants are more efficient. They are putting less energy into growing larger fan leaves (Solar cells) and instead putting that energy into growth, because the spectrum they are getting is being converted a lot more efficiently by the leaves.

Example - take a 4' x 2' solar panel at 15% efficiency. It will produce the same amount of electricity as a 2' x 2' solar panel at 30% efficiency. You don't need as big of a solar panel to collect the same amount of light, when the solar panel is operating at a much higher efficiency. The same is true for leaves.



@hybridway2
I don't recall you saying you underwatered.
I think you mentioned it was drinking faster.
Just wanted your opinion on if you underwatered and if that is the main reason for the droop.
Would increasing the water given to the plant correct the problem or was the light being to close still the major cause of the droop?


You mentioned smaller leaves on the HLG plant in your post above and HydroGrowLed is mentioning smaller leaves on her plant in the post on IC.
I always felt bigger leaves were better.
In her post it sounds like smaller leaves are better.
In yours above it sounds like the smaller leaves on the HLG plant are not a good thing.
Can you expand upon smaller leaves being a good thing or not.


On the topic of EWC. Maybe they were the issue IDK.
I haven't ran in to any situations in the problem section or the other sections that I felt were plant problems caused by EWC. Not saying it doesn't happen but I can't recall EWC leading to issues in a grow when added as a top dressing.
 
SSGrower

SSGrower

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Kushash said:
I'm going to post a ling to a post on IC, hope that's OK.
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=8575344#post8575344
Post #26


Quote:
Originally Posted by OneHitDone
At the original recommended distance of 12" for veg, plants were not liking it.


Responce from HydroGrowLed
You mean Hybrid wasn't watering the plants fast enough to keep up with the extra growth rate? His plants had zero light stress (which he claimed at 18"). There was no bleaching or light burn on his leaves, nor was the DLI anywhere near high enough to cause any issues. Instead he had drooping, dry leaves that were curling on the edges - a clear sign of underwatering. He later commented in the grow that "Plants are drinking too fast for me & i notice fan leaves aren't as big as usual."

So our plants are growing at a rate that outpaces his feeding schedule (which I had commented on days prior to his admission). The fan leaves are smaller which shows that our plants are more efficient. They are putting less energy into growing larger fan leaves (Solar cells) and instead putting that energy into growth, because the spectrum they are getting is being converted a lot more efficiently by the leaves.

Example - take a 4' x 2' solar panel at 15% efficiency. It will produce the same amount of electricity as a 2' x 2' solar panel at 30% efficiency. You don't need as big of a solar panel to collect the same amount of light, when the solar panel is operating at a much higher efficiency. The same is true for leaves.



@hybridway2
I don't recall you saying you underwatered.
I think you mentioned it was drinking faster.
Just wanted your opinion on if you underwatered and if that is the main reason for the droop.
Would increasing the water given to the plant correct the problem or was the light being to close still the major cause of the droop?


You mentioned smaller leaves on the HLG plant in your post above and HydroGrowLed is mentioning smaller leaves on her plant in the post on IC.
I always felt bigger leaves were better.
In her post it sounds like smaller leaves are better.
In yours above it sounds like the smaller leaves on the HLG plant are not a good thing.
Can you expand upon smaller leaves being a good thing or not.


On the topic of EWC. Maybe they were the issue IDK.
I haven't ran in to any situations in the problem section or the other sections that I felt were plant problems caused by EWC. Not saying it doesn't happen but I can't recall EWC leading to issues in a grow when added as a top dressing.
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She will turn every observation into a postive for hgl and a negative for hlg. I saw this when educating her on the importance of light distribution, now look at her proposed designs less than one month later. LOL. Im not the smartest motherfucker on the planet but Im smart enough. Size doesn't matter its how you wiggle in the wind.
 
hybridway2

hybridway2

Amare Shill
Kushash said:
I'm going to post a ling to a post on IC, hope that's OK.
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=8575344#post8575344
Post #26


Quote:
Originally Posted by OneHitDone
At the original recommended distance of 12" for veg, plants were not liking it.


Responce from HydroGrowLed
You mean Hybrid wasn't watering the plants fast enough to keep up with the extra growth rate? His plants had zero light stress (which he claimed at 18"). There was no bleaching or light burn on his leaves, nor was the DLI anywhere near high enough to cause any issues. Instead he had drooping, dry leaves that were curling on the edges - a clear sign of underwatering. He later commented in the grow that "Plants are drinking too fast for me & i notice fan leaves aren't as big as usual."

So our plants are growing at a rate that outpaces his feeding schedule (which I had commented on days prior to his admission). The fan leaves are smaller which shows that our plants are more efficient. They are putting less energy into growing larger fan leaves (Solar cells) and instead putting that energy into growth, because the spectrum they are getting is being converted a lot more efficiently by the leaves.

Example - take a 4' x 2' solar panel at 15% efficiency. It will produce the same amount of electricity as a 2' x 2' solar panel at 30% efficiency. You don't need as big of a solar panel to collect the same amount of light, when the solar panel is operating at a much higher efficiency. The same is true for leaves.



@hybridway2
I don't recall you saying you underwatered.
I think you mentioned it was drinking faster.
Just wanted your opinion on if you underwatered and if that is the main reason for the droop.
Would increasing the water given to the plant correct the problem or was the light being to close still the major cause of the droop?


You mentioned smaller leaves on the HLG plant in your post above and HydroGrowLed is mentioning smaller leaves on her plant in the post on IC.
I always felt bigger leaves were better.
In her post it sounds like smaller leaves are better.
In yours above it sounds like the smaller leaves on the HLG plant are not a good thing.
Can you expand upon smaller leaves being a good thing or not.


On the topic of EWC. Maybe they were the issue IDK.
I haven't ran in to any situations in the problem section or the other sections that I felt were plant problems caused by EWC. Not saying it doesn't happen but I can't recall EWC leading to issues in a grow when added as a top dressing.
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Its funny cuz shes so excited that in turn she begins to assume all these thing's based off of a word or sentence. Links studies showing her point n all. I get it but theres also 100 other possibilities out there for each thing assumed with such confidence. But the reality of it all is only I know what's up in my garden unless i ask.
So, if i say the lights were to close the plants did not like it then that's what it is.
Lol! You know what else makes a plant drink fast? Being in the pott to long. Oh Gaosh!!!
Theres no real droop going on. This strain in those potts gets a 1 hr droop a lil i guess when feed, won't now they're transplanted. Early in when they had to much light they drooped as well as got the red/purple veins & petitoles. I usually do my best to prevent that this early as it does effect the plant neg for awhile after.
These plants arent perfect but ill get them nicer over the next few weeks.
Anyone judging my ability to veg or grow off these plants is sadly mistaken.
Go look at any of my veg. On any of my threads including Hybridway. Especially the last one. Omg! Couldn't have dreampt up a better veg.
Have that other plant too that was pretty even & has maintained the same parameters. Anyone wants to see those ones comparatively?
From my experience, little leaves is not good. Used to reffer to it as little leaf sundrome & have since fixed the problem for the most part.
The leaves are little here from multiple flower sites dividing the plant up & outgrowing the pott. Once the outgrow the pott leaves get small & structure gets super tight.
Maybe there is truth to what she says about that n has a link to Dink n everything. In my garden, thats just not the case. Big leaves usually equal healthy plants to me. Little leaves = little bud.
Did i cover everything?
Got root pics & the other plant but doubt ill have time to do tonight.
 
crimsonecho

crimsonecho

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hybridway2 said:
Roots:
HLG has a branch or main root growing in there instead of all the white smaller roots. Idk why. Have Seen it before tho.
HGL'S roots are bright white too, just the camera. View attachment 4338914 View attachment 4338915 View attachment 4338916 View attachment 4338917 View attachment 4338918 View attachment 4338919 View attachment 4338920 View attachment 4338921 View attachment 4338922 View attachment 4338923
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Wow hgl roots look much better to me. Is that same with all of them?
 
hybridway2

hybridway2

Amare Shill
crimsonecho said:
Wow hgl roots look much better to me. Is that same with all of them?
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Ill try to do the HDF x ST even parameter plant for everyone tonight.
HLG's i wouldn't say have less roots only because there are a big highway of thick green roots in there instead. Not sure why but I'm sure they absorb water the same cuz they both dry at the same time. Even with HLG having slightly less peak umol. Not to be unfair but because thats what each plant could take then, in those potts. And thats an even # over the plant so i think the plant sees it as equal to a high peak umol. Thats what i experienced with the Bar-8. Low wattage, high. Evenly distributed light that the plant sees as a higher par then it is & grows that way too, usually.
Keep in mind, once HGL'S one plant is centered to those 4 panels, it will be getting a fairly even distribution of light because of the modularity.
So i think this will be a fairly even showdown that will moslty come down to spectrum more so then efficiency once in flower mode . Just mho right now.
 
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