Bernie Sanders 2020

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You want Sanders to run as an Independent because you know an Independent candidate can't win a presidential election in the US

You know the ideas he represents threatens the moderate democratic candidates you support from defeating a Republican. You and I both don't want a Republican to win, but I'd rather have a moderate Democrat win than the Republican. The difference is you would rather have the Republican win than an actual progressive like Bernie Sanders.
FUCKING CHRIST!

He cant win as a Democrat either.
And now you just came out and admitted again that his role is to give Trump the presidency.

You need to be banned from life.
 

Fogdog

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You want Sanders to run as an Independent because you know an Independent candidate can't win a presidential election in the US

You know the ideas he represents threatens the moderate democratic candidates you support from defeating a Republican. You and I both don't want a Republican to win, but I'd rather have a moderate Democrat win than the Republican. The difference is you would rather have the Republican win than an actual progressive like Bernie Sanders.
If Bernie's healthcare plan is so great, saves money, improves service and so on.

Why does he force about a hundred million people from healthcare plans they like and into his?
 

londonfog

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Well that's two. 99,999,998 to go.

My family is none of my business. You only bring them up because like this one, you're losing all the rest of your arguments.
FIFY
My daughter brought home her boyfriend for me and the wife to meet during my sons graduation. I like the guy so far. He is headed to Howard law school and seemingly has a good head on his shoulders. I like the fact that he did not try or attempt to be something he is not. In fact he was honest about himself and his family revealing things he did not have too. I like that.
 

travisw

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How do you somehow know that 100 million Americans actually like their health insurance? Because study after study says most Americans don't, moron.
That isn't true. Poll consistently shows roughly 7 out of every 10 Americans report that they’re fairly satisfied with the quality of their personal coverage. The studies you're referencing reflect their opinions of the coverage of others.



Most Americans Still Rate Their Healthcare Quite Positively
https://news.gallup.com/poll/245195/americans-rate-healthcare-quite-positively.aspx
 

Unclebaldrick

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That isn't true. Poll consistently shows roughly 7 out of every 10 Americans report that they’re fairly satisfied with the quality of their personal coverage. The studies you're referencing reflect their opinions of the coverage of others.



Most Americans Still Rate Their Healthcare Quite Positively
https://news.gallup.com/poll/245195/americans-rate-healthcare-quite-positively.aspx
Oh oh. You questioned Tty's "facts". Time for him to say you love Trump.

Because, Vulcan logic.
 

ttystikk

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That isn't true. Poll consistently shows roughly 7 out of every 10 Americans report that they’re fairly satisfied with the quality of their personal coverage. The studies you're referencing reflect their opinions of the coverage of others.



Most Americans Still Rate Their Healthcare Quite Positively
https://news.gallup.com/poll/245195/americans-rate-healthcare-quite-positively.aspx
Thanks for putting some evidence supporting your argument.

Here's mine;
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/28/most-americans-now-support-medicare-for-all-and-free-college-tuition.html
 

Fogdog

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How do you somehow know that 100 million Americans actually like their health insurance? Because study after study says most Americans don't, moron.
LOL, you don't have even a clue that Bernie is completely fucking up, do you?

155 million people obtain coverage through work (data from the Congressional Budget Office))
70% say their coverage is excellent or good (data from a gallup poll)

Hey, dumbass. Do the math:

155 million x 70% = ?

I said earlier that 100 million people would be forced from coverage they like. That is a low-estimate. The real number is very likely to be much higher..


DECEMBER 7, 2018
Most Americans Still Rate Their Healthcare Quite Positively
https://news.gallup.com/poll/245195/americans-rate-healthcare-quite-positively.aspx

Health insurance coverage in the United States

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_insurance_coverage_in_the_United_States

Health insurance coverage in the United States is provided by several public and private sources. During 2016, the U.S. population overall was approximately 325 million, with 53 million people 65 years of age and over, covered by the federal Medicare program. The 272 million non-institutional people under age 65 either obtained their coverage from employer-based (155 million) or non-employer based (90 million) sources,

If Bernie's plan is so great, why does the plan FORCE more than a hundred million people from plans they like and into Bernie's plan?

I'll tell you the answer to the arithmetic question I posed earlier.

155 million x 70% = political suicide
 

Budley Doright

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LOL, you don't have even a clue that Bernie is completely fucking up, do you?

155 million people obtain coverage through work (data from the Congressional Budget Office))
70% say their coverage is excellent or good (data from a gallup poll)

Hey, dumbass. Do the math:

155 million x 70% = ?

I said earlier that 100 million people would be forced from coverage they like. That is a low-estimate. The real number is very likely to be much higher..


DECEMBER 7, 2018
Most Americans Still Rate Their Healthcare Quite Positively
https://news.gallup.com/poll/245195/americans-rate-healthcare-quite-positively.aspx

Health insurance coverage in the United States

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_insurance_coverage_in_the_United_States

Health insurance coverage in the United States is provided by several public and private sources. During 2016, the U.S. population overall was approximately 325 million, with 53 million people 65 years of age and over, covered by the federal Medicare program. The 272 million non-institutional people under age 65 either obtained their coverage from employer-based (155 million) or non-employer based (90 million) sources,

If Bernie's plan is so great, why does the plan FORCE more than a hundred million people from plans they like and into Bernie's plan?

I'll tell you the answer to the arithmetic question I posed earlier.

155 million x 70% = political suicide
Is his math the same as he used when he pumped out his girlfriend?
 

Fogdog

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How do you somehow know that 100 million Americans actually like their health insurance? Because study after study says most Americans don't, moron.
Now that I cited my sources. How about you posting your own? You say study after study says most Americans don't like their health insurance (moron). OK, so I admit, I'm a moron but I think I'm smarter than you. Prove me wrong by posting several of those studies you claim show people don't like their health care coverage. Sub-moron pimp.
 

Fogdog

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Elizabeth Warren's plan allows people to buy-in to Medicare as an option. It's a good plan. Hers is nothing like what Bernie's amateurish and half-assed bill does. Bernie's bill makes it illegal to offer coverage that mirrors Medicare and forces people out of their existing plan. Are you so ignorant of Bernie's bill that I have to cite that? Also, Bernie doesn't say how this massive shift in health care coverage that represents 25% of our economy will be paid for. Are you so ignorant of Bernie's bill that I have to cite that?

Do you know anything at all? Except beating women. You know how to do that. It has been said by one of your victims.
 

ttystikk

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Elizabeth Warren's plan allows people to buy-in to Medicare as an option. It's a good plan. Hers is nothing like what Bernie's amateurish and half-assed bill does. Bernie's bill makes it illegal to offer coverage that mirrors Medicare and forces people out of their existing plan. Are you so ignorant of Bernie's bill that I have to cite that? Also, Bernie doesn't say how this massive shift in health care coverage that represents 25% of our economy will be paid for. Are you so ignorant of Bernie's bill that I have to cite that?

Do you know anything at all? Except beating women. You know how to do that. It has been said by one of your victims.
Then by all means, vote for Warren.
 

Fogdog

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Then by all means, vote for Warren.
I'll make up my mind after the debates. At this time, I prefer Democrats select somebody younger whose last name is not Gabbard. Warren is a bit out of touch with the times. Leagues better than Bernie though.

Getting back to your histrionic reply that set off our tete a tete.

Now that you know more than a hundred million people who like their private health care plans would be forced into Bernie's health care plan, I suppose you no longer support him.

you may thank me now.
 

ttystikk

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I'll make up my mind after the debates. At this time, I prefer Democrats select somebody younger whose last name is not Gabbard. Warren is a bit out of touch with the times. Leagues better than Bernie though.

Getting back to your histrionic reply that set off our tete a tete.

Now that you know more than a hundred million people who like their private health care plans would be forced into Bernie's health care plan, I suppose you no longer support him.

you may thank me now.
Funny how that doesn't square with the high level of support for Medicare for all, source cited.
 

Fogdog

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Funny how that doesn't square with the high level of support for Medicare for all, source cited.
You do cherry pick poorly.

It is true that without any other information, the idea of universal healthcare is very popular. But. If health care costs go up or the predicted longer wait times are included, support drops to much less than half. When people are told it would eliminate private health care plans -- which as written in Bernie's bill it does -- support drops to only 37%.

https://www.kff.org/health-reform/poll-finding/kff-health-tracking-poll-january-2019/



What I want to know is, if Bernie's bill is so great, why does it force people to switch and not give them a choice? Do you still support Bernie knowing that his bill would force people out of plans they like?
 
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