lukio
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please stop with that none-sense. Classic grower error
HLG vs HGL Side By Side Take 2
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dandyrandy
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I wonder if spectrum affects taste and smell?
Damn man, im sorry to hear/see that. Yes, its what ive been saying for awhile now. Are you in CoCo?
Looks like Classic "LedDefficiency " to me.
White led man, idk why but some just struggle. You magging up? And P. And Cal. Oh, dont forget the rest everyone else will tell you you're doing wrong. Cant be the spectrum.
Now you see why im at lower #'s on the HLG side. I too use 300w mostly.
Idk how i will flower at 525w. Its not even that the #'s are that high either. I just did some #'s & heights. I was growing around 34" w/300w to be safe. So just mow i dropped the light to 28"-30", staying at 300w. This gave me almost matching #'s to the HGL plant which is using only 2, 84x's @va lil less then 300w.
I took before pics just now.
Here they are, will update tom to see if the 500 umol ,300w, / 28-30" is to much or not fir the HLG Comp plant.?. Trying to get her to catch up by spreading her open the other day.
Anyways, now we have matching wattage & intensity, lets see what happens.??..
34"/300wView attachment 4354553 View attachment 4354557 28-30"/300wView attachment 4354558 View attachment 4354559 Approximately 125 Oooohhmols stronger by being 6" closer. But what will our plant say?
Its the way the boards are so strong in a compact area i feel. View attachment 4354560 x2 , 84x's / 288w, 24"View attachment 4354561 View attachment 4354562 2 hitting plant, plant response is happy. Getting to big so i did not spread her out. Shell see trellis in the next few days. View attachment 4354563 View attachment 4354564 View attachment 4354565
I guess I'm confused about LED deficiency. I was thinking that its "to" intense, penetrating into every nook and cranny. I trim and trim and it still grows thick into a Bush. I had the light set at 20" above the canopy and now I raised it as high as I can in the tent and dialed back the wattage, yes I'm in soil. The hlg600 with 3000k seems to be ok for flowering within the 5x5 tent, nice growth. But yes, please let me know what I should do differently in the veg tent with the 4000k hlg600, these lights are very expensive to replace, should I add some burple?
Here's photos of the flower.
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hybridway2
Amare Shill
Oh its a classic alright!
I just want to be clear that I'm looking for advice on what I'm doing wrong, not trying to criticize or slam anyone. This led thing is new to me "6 months" and I'm struggling to dial it in. Just when I think I got it right with one strain, the next one is kickin my butt.. cheers!
I'm running the veg @ 78-82deg and 60-65%RH, 18/6 @560watts, 4x4 tent, I just raised the light as high as I can and dialed back the wattage to 375w. The plants seem to be growing as a Bush more than in height. Their about 36" high now, week 5 or 6 of veg.
I've always tried following the VFD chart as close as I possibly can so I'm still stumped.
SSGrower
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Possibly.
Or is it community error by running these lights too close and too intense. HID lights have had over 50 years cumulative grower experience to help them determine ideal intensities, hanging height, nutrient regimines and room environment.
Led lights are still evolving (so is hid but at much slower rate) what is clear is they cannot be used with same cookie cutter.
Community error is still grower error like lukio said led defeciency is complete bullshit. And what's to close? That also comes down to grower skill if you grow with higher ppfd you need to be a better grower. Basically it's always the growers fault if something goes wrong
I'll certainly own up to being inexperienced using these lights. So any advice on what I should be doing differently would be greatly appreciated
lukio
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yeaahhhhh thats still grower deficiency.
imo, problems are nearly always environmental and or too much light.
Are those temps ambient @Bourbon 2 or leaf temps? got an IR temp gun? from my experience i find ambient to be quite a lot lower than leaf
imo, problems are nearly always environmental and or too much light.
Are those temps ambient @Bourbon 2 or leaf temps? got an IR temp gun? from my experience i find ambient to be quite a lot lower than leaf
Are you following vpd and feeding full strength?I'll certainly own up to being inexperienced using these lights. So any advice on what I should be doing differently would be greatly appreciated
I follow the VFD chart as close as I can. I apply the following once weekly "tea" and water weekly.
Cal/mag, sweet stash, great white, microbe food, ph 5.8 - 6.2, soil m3 mix
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I have my meter at canopy level. I do have an IR meter, I'll check for any deviations. Hybridway2 mentioned led deficiency, is this lack of a certain spectrum? Because the ambient light to the eye is much more pronounced than the hps or my cmh lights. Just curious...
SSGrower
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Too close depends on how intense, which relates back to the entire environment, feed rates, strain, history and age of plant....grower style. Blasting away and increasing gpw or g/area does not equate to a better grower, higher yields may indicate an individual has made an improvent but growing large quantities of cannabis does not make someone a better grower. A good grower has the ability to recognize (like @Bourbon 2 ) and adapt when shit not going right.
Axion42
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What are your leaf surface temps? Find an average temp and post it
hybridway2
Amare Shill
Bourbon i gotchu later on. Dont listen to this hogwash.
LedDefficiency: is a clusterFuck within the plant caused by an over abundance of artificial white light. This is why white light works better at lower ppf's. The plants are registering 300 ppfd as 600 ppf of hps, t-5, or even burple. The spectrum is so full the plant is under-reacting. Defficencies kick in left n right. Especially in CoCo which has high k, causing further lockout once raising PPM/EC to fix problems.
I went through the same thing. Some plants do awesome whilest others choke out. Losing even one plant is a catastrophe in my eyes.
So, after trying all the false info here, i finally got some good info. Theres a few growers here whom pointed me in the right direction.
Magnesium (5ml/gal EpsomSalt) dissolved in hot water every other feed w/ reg feed. Phosphorus in flower (organic form once in awhile) double cal-mag to 4-5 ml gal.
An occasional foliar feed with (i use MagicGreen & MagAmp or Epsom mix & ph to 5.8.
If damaged, just get away from it. Use Mh Hortrilux Daylight Blue in lower intensities to actually cure the problems while continuing to grow.
You need to prep your plants in the very beginning & treat the whole way through.
Vdp will help but is not the issue, nor is leaf temp or room temp. Although they could lead to issues, that not it.
Is reduced oscillating fans hitting directly, used Mag, & watched my run-off last grow & did Phenomenal!!!
Personally, i have trouble with the QB'S myself too. They are very condensed brightness. Basically one big COB directly over ur plants.
Raise the lights as high as you can. 3' would be good. Then dimm accordingly to plants, not #'s.
Ive managed to fight off the defficencies (except the few plants now) for the most pat this way. Still can't figure out the purpleing of stems though. That one is bad & just happened to my FuelBombs from being under the Trinity. Now they are so tall i will never be able to recover them.
Its a sunburn that will eventually sink 8n so deep it effects nutrient or water uptake. Terror in my garden.
This is one reason why i use highly enhanced white. More reds then any other whitelight comp. & blues of fuller range. With almost 30% monos of the right ratios these problems happen allot less.
Now, im not seeing it at all in the Rgb / HGL.
Just redish petitoles.
LedDefficiency: is a clusterFuck within the plant caused by an over abundance of artificial white light. This is why white light works better at lower ppf's. The plants are registering 300 ppfd as 600 ppf of hps, t-5, or even burple. The spectrum is so full the plant is under-reacting. Defficencies kick in left n right. Especially in CoCo which has high k, causing further lockout once raising PPM/EC to fix problems.
I went through the same thing. Some plants do awesome whilest others choke out. Losing even one plant is a catastrophe in my eyes.
So, after trying all the false info here, i finally got some good info. Theres a few growers here whom pointed me in the right direction.
Magnesium (5ml/gal EpsomSalt) dissolved in hot water every other feed w/ reg feed. Phosphorus in flower (organic form once in awhile) double cal-mag to 4-5 ml gal.
An occasional foliar feed with (i use MagicGreen & MagAmp or Epsom mix & ph to 5.8.
If damaged, just get away from it. Use Mh Hortrilux Daylight Blue in lower intensities to actually cure the problems while continuing to grow.
You need to prep your plants in the very beginning & treat the whole way through.
Vdp will help but is not the issue, nor is leaf temp or room temp. Although they could lead to issues, that not it.
Is reduced oscillating fans hitting directly, used Mag, & watched my run-off last grow & did Phenomenal!!!
Personally, i have trouble with the QB'S myself too. They are very condensed brightness. Basically one big COB directly over ur plants.
Raise the lights as high as you can. 3' would be good. Then dimm accordingly to plants, not #'s.
Ive managed to fight off the defficencies (except the few plants now) for the most pat this way. Still can't figure out the purpleing of stems though. That one is bad & just happened to my FuelBombs from being under the Trinity. Now they are so tall i will never be able to recover them.
Its a sunburn that will eventually sink 8n so deep it effects nutrient or water uptake. Terror in my garden.
This is one reason why i use highly enhanced white. More reds then any other whitelight comp. & blues of fuller range. With almost 30% monos of the right ratios these problems happen allot less.
Now, im not seeing it at all in the Rgb / HGL.
Just redish petitoles.
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I dialed back on the variac controller for the exhaust fan to bump up the temp. The one plant that I butchered yesterday looks very happy even after turning down the wattage. Let me know what else you guys can think of that may help.
Cheers
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200w is all you need for veg in a tent that size. Lights 10-20cm away from the tops. Look for preying leave's & you know your in the ball park.
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