The Chinese Quantum Board Knock Off Builds

[WeedSexWeightsShakes]

With my ecospeed led bars at like 2-3” I get around 60k lux. Thinking of dimming my fotops to around 100-110 watts per board to match the bars. Have everything about 2-3” from the top of the canopy.
Would put me around 2200 watts maxed vs 3200 that I’m running.
What do you guys think? Is it worth the trouble? Will I still get as good results or better?

 

[Rocket Soul]

With my ecospeed led bars at like 2-3” I get around 60k lux. Thinking of dimming my fotops to around 100-110 watts per board to match the bars. Have everything about 2-3” from the top of the canopy.
Would put me around 2200 watts maxed vs 3200 that I’m running.
What do you guys think? Is it worth the trouble? Will I still get as good results or better?

How high are they now? Id say ideal height is around 5-8 inches for fotops, 100-150w. Im so glad to see youre youre doing so well with them.

 

[Rocket Soul]

It's not a good look rocket, never has been...... I have thought about the new influx of hgl threads, it saddens me tbh. This sub-forum has always been about pushing efficiency/innovation from the start. All the riu led founders believed this was the future of indoor growing(a dozen started their own companies )! not by some red painted zinc alloy shell with substandard diodes/modules and light bleeding into the fixture.

I understand that "she" offers $$/% for successful runs/sales, but they will never see a penny as the vet icmag members will tell you from the past. The honest HID guys knew right away(in flower) the lights wouldn't match it and were threatened with the unimaginable for just a full refund on a supposed 120day trial!! NOT for keeping her cheap rebranded lights w a 35% bs restocking fee. They didn't fucking want them obviously. I would love to hear from illegal growers (I'm one ) who like to lay on their beds at night wondering if they would get flash banged in their underwear over a fucking led light reimbursement? shame on hgl IMO. Growers pimping her shit now? I'll leave that to the community to judge ; )

The new board knockoff, just like they did with kessil, advanced, etc., looks like it was made at the Hasbro toy factory....when a grow light "company" can't even afford US warehouse space and R&D consists of a lone laptop (in sunny FLA) emailing China factories to slap it together @ the cheapest price. Conveniently ignoring umol/j, ppf/w because it significantly adds to the BOM, nothing more......blaaahhhh, garbage epi fixtures.


Rant over.....

Rant on, im in the choir...

I cant help but being a bit fascinated and even impressed in a internet phenomena kinda way: its impossible to pin her down to anything, if you try to rebutt what shes saying, in the next answer shes already on to a new arguement, making you look like a chump for questioning her again. If you manage to argue that her numbers are impossible shell say she managed to break physics instead of entertaining a shadow of doubt.
In a world of uneducated she comes of as a King.

Its a pity we couldnt get anything feeling like a real side by side cause im really interested in the spectrum. I might try to do a proper version of it, i figure you can get there by using 50% 2700k90cri and 50% red-blue strip in a 9:1 proportion.

 

[Rocket Soul]

View attachment 4362701 I ordered 4 of these for my veg room. Is it safe to run the driver on top of the heatsink like you would with the traditional hlg 550? I have a hlg 600h and it works just fine but I think the heatsinks on these are a thinner and different design. Anyone running these mounted on top safely?

Mount it remotely, even if its just a few feet from the heatsink. The drivers build up a lot of heat in them

 

[Terps420]

Oh god, HGL, even here...

Please read up on cameron mackenzie/led girl/ Hydro Grow led...
https://www.thcfarmer.com/threads/fraud-cammie-mckenzie-fraud.26178/

I cant confirm the details in the link but its clear she aint right. Even after 10 years she is not able to face up to and adress these acusations, she simple states its all made up by KKK and Bigotts. Also credibly accused for calling the cops on her clients. I would not feel safe with my adress in her possesion. I dont want to flame this thread, there is currently 2 threads going about her lights here in the led section where you can read and post about these lights.

Im fairly sure they aint super bad, the spectrum looks really nice. But chance after chance she passed up on providing ANY detail, spec or info a profesional lighting company would use to measure their light. Theres side by sides from 10 years ago that look unimpressive to me. Theres small bud timelapses. But nowhere do i see some solid proof. And after only a couple of months of her latest run on icmag shes allready
in conflicts with her new x-fanboys. Stay away.

If you like what she put together spectrum wise: you can build that yourself, cheaper and more efficient using white led base and some red. Ymmv

Thx for ur info i wasn't aware of any that... Everything u said true? Y wood she call cops on potential customers? I was just lookn to score a free couple lights.. If they are free to me and arnt the greatest its ok they stil free.. But now im wondering if i shud give my address. Hell i had mo clue its was a wasnt a guy.. Lol wil search for whatever threads ur talkn bout cause i dont need heat over a couple grow boards.. Thx for heads up

 

[Terps420]

Is “Hydro Grow lights” on RIU? It is a woman ? Correct?

Im not positive guy or girl. I just seen a ad wanting testers and testers keep lights afterwards. Just trying to score free lights was my mission.. I had bad luck lately and lost my whole set up to cops over 3 plants and in 6months itl b rec here. I had no clue that this guy or girl had so many complaints.. I got enough bs drama in my world i dont need more if that company is untrustworthy.. Thx

 

[10WeekFlushBro]

Dude whatever you do don't give your address is my advice. A guy on ICmag already was threatened with the law (as motivation to send the light back, I'm sure) and deleted his account. This narcissist bipolar epistar peddler is worse than the pigs and I completely agree with rocket soul.

 

[Yesyes3000]

Who is this lady of topic ? Also I know police who grow in Massachusetts. This lady started a company or something ? Just looking for info about it ....

 

[Terps420]

Don't you need LDD DC-DC drivers to use in conjunction with these?

No sir.. Just that driver , 18 gauge solid or strand copper wire, and itll run 4 of the qb132's from hlg at 75 watts each(max) no problem, wont get hot, phillips screw as adjustment in volts or brightness. The qb132's are 36 volts max giving u 75watts to all 4 boards for around 300 watts. The only thing thats better with a hlg a or b driver is efficientcy. Hlg a&b drivers are 94% efficient vs lrs -350-36 driver of 89%.. All that means is at wall a hlg320-36 will draw like 306 watts vs lr-350-36 draw of like 311watts. Just a example . both drivers r made from same company of meanwell. Lrs is half priced of hlg. Lrs barely gets warm at full blast. Hlg a&b drivers get red hot. Lrs drivers can b mounted in your room and wont effect your room temps. Hlg can b mounted in room but it wil affect ur temps in room if u dont have a fan blowing on driver while working.. Parrellel wiring is and was the easyest way to wire lights to drivers. So alltho cheaper and might not b the most popular driver, it is a better driver and its half price of hlg. For qb132's its a must and the perfect set up for them boards and cheapest way to get high quality lighting and cheapest route for that many true watts of quality diodes. For 175 bucks u get 300watts of top of line lm301b or lm561's diodes to blast your plants.. To me its a no brainer for anyone thats hps and metal halide growers.. These leds of quality are the future and just alot smarter to run leds just my opinions cause hell a damm fluorescent bulb wil grow weed. Any other questions feel free.

 

[Rocket Soul]

I cant really say for sure whats true, all i can say is that if you even come close to mentioning this in a forum she can control youre basicly out/banned or delete on sight. Me knowingly she has never adressed acusations of calling the cops on growers; if there was nothing to it you should be able to adress that in a normal way, i figure?


I wasnt around way back when this all "possibly" happened. (And actually it looks like at one point her lights were actually the best, like 10 y ago) But ive tried to maintaining convos with her both here and on icmag and it was completely impossible to get a straight answer, there is no point in her life where she isnt selfmarketing aggressively and trying to stomp down on any dissent or percieved threat. Its a "largest inauguration crowd in history"-kinda story. Deflections, never a straight answer, will only argue from whatever she feels is her points of strength.

Ive only been in the LED game for 3 years, educating myself here on riu mainly and ledgardener, coming here after seeing some growmau5 stuff on youtube.

How is it that im more knowledgeable about some aspects of led than a selfstyled led growlight guru/market leader when it comes to what is physically possible and how actual standardized tests are done on growlights? Those threads were all deleted when HGL was banned from here but i can tell you it wasnt pretty.

In the absolute best of cases, all claims of her calling the cops on her clients being false:

She is selling a product which components and functionality cannot be confirmed other than its not the best as stated on her web. And the way she practices business leads to getting an incredible amount of fierce hate to the point of people doing anything to get back at her.

Who is this lady of topic ? Also I know police who grow in Massachusetts. This lady started a company or something ? Just looking for info about it ....

Hydrogrowled

First thread: https://www.rollitup.org/t/hlg-vs-hgl-side-by-side.988854/

This thread got so trolly and toxic that a second thread was created to run a clean side by side:


Https://www.rollitup.org/t/hlg-vs-hgl-side-by-side-take-2.989196/

Please try to respect hybridway2 and not post trolly shit in the second thread, and really i would avoid both the lights and the whole issue completly, it gets very toxic, and really both threads.

 

[Terps420]

60-Mejiu Boards
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how many watts each board and how many volts are your boqrds? You got one nice professional wall of drivers looks very clean and right! Im surprised more licensed growers on big scale like u or bigger arnt running quantums with lm301b or lm561's in whatever boards tbh..? Instead of mh & hps.. But 60 boards is big canopy. U wil have nice plants with those.. Nice score and set up dude

 

[Rocket Soul]

No sir.. Just that driver , 18 gauge solid or strand copper wire, and itll run 4 of the qb132's from hlg at 75 watts each(max) no problem, wont get hot, phillips screw as adjustment in volts or brightness. The qb132's are 36 volts max giving u 75watts to all 4 boards for around 300 watts. The only thing thats better with a hlg a or b driver is efficientcy. Hlg a&b drivers are 94% efficient vs lrs -350-36 driver of 89%.. All that means is at wall a hlg320-36 will draw like 306 watts vs lr-350-36 draw of like 311watts. Just a example . both drivers r made from same company of meanwell. Lrs is half priced of hlg. Lrs barely gets warm at full blast. Hlg a&b drivers get red hot. Lrs drivers can b mounted in your room and wont effect your room temps. Hlg can b mounted in room but it wil affect ur temps in room if u dont have a fan blowing on driver while working.. Parrellel wiring is and was the easyest way to wire lights to drivers. So alltho cheaper and might not b the most popular driver, it is a better driver and its half price of hlg. For qb132's its a must and the perfect set up for them boards and cheapest way to get high quality lighting and cheapest route for that many true watts of quality diodes. For 175 bucks u get 300watts of top of line lm301b or lm561's diodes to blast your plants.. To me its a no brainer for anyone thats hps and metal halide growers.. These leds of quality are the future and just alot smarter to run leds just my opinions cause hell a damm fluorescent bulb wil grow weed. Any other questions feel free.

Never tried the lrs, does it allow for adjusting current/voltage like the hlg-A type drivers? Theyre damn cheap

 

[10WeekFlushBro]

Lrs barely gets warm at full blast. Hlg a&b drivers get red hot. Lrs drivers can b mounted in your room and wont effect your room temps. Hlg can b mounted in room but it wil affect ur temps in room if u dont have a fan blowing on driver while working.. Parrellel wiring is and was the easyest way to wire lights to drivers. So alltho cheaper and might not b the most popular driver, it is a better driver and its half price of hlg.

Wow, really interesting option. I'll consider trying these. But, doesn't it only seem to run cooler because of the internal fan? 1 watt is still about 3.5 BTU that gotta go somewhere, right?

@Rocket Soul voltage adj range for the 350-12 is 10.2 ~ 13.8V so I would guess functionality is similar to HLG A Vadj

 

[Rocket Soul]

Is there current dimmer? If i can adjust voltage some 10-15% and current to half i think im sold.

 

[Terps420]

Never tried the lrs, does it allow for adjusting current/voltage like the hlg-A type drivers? Theyre damn cheap

Yep it does. Via a phillips screw on driver. For the qb120's& qb132's imo its the best driver for those 2 sets of boards.. The 120's is a 24 volt panel so ud need the lrs-350-24. Just dim a bit . what u will need that makes adjusting percise is to have a multimeter handly so u can see how many volts ur pumping to lights. I just hung multimeter next to drivers for when i adjusted ligbt id no where i was at. But theyre a good quality driver thats cheap n durable. Thx bud

 

[WeedSexWeightsShakes]

How high are they now? Id say ideal height is around 5-8 inches for fotops, 100-150w. Im so glad to see youre youre doing so well with them.

Probably like 16” or so right now, I’ll chexk tonight. But also running them about 190ish watts a board. Maybe I’ll get everything down to 4” and start there. Looked like about 105-115 watts per board would get me similar lux.

 

[Rocket Soul]

Yep it does. Via a phillips screw on driver. For the qb120's& qb132's imo its the best driver for those 2 sets of boards.. The 120's is a 24 volt panel so ud need the lrs-350-24. Just dim a bit . what u will need that makes adjusting percise is to have a multimeter handly so u can see how many volts ur pumping to lights. I just hung multimeter next to drivers for when i adjusted ligbt id no where i was at. But theyre a good quality driver thats cheap n durable. Thx bud

The next builds i make ill run the dc thru one of these little boxes with amp and voltage on a display.

So the lrs350-48 is looking really hot to me. Its the right wattage for a 1m trays, for 2 fotops or for 4-6 qbs...

 

[shimbob]

Lrs drivers can b mounted in your room and wont effect your room temps. Hlg can b mounted in room but it wil affect ur temps in room

Energy doesn't quite work like that. Watt for watt, no matter which driver, you'll still get the same rise in temperature. If anything, using a less efficient driver means more waste heat.

 

[cobshopgrow]

The Menawell LRS line looks sweet, nice price especially!
But the efficiency is a bit lacking compared to the HLG lineup.
The LRS 350 48V just have 89% a HLG 320 48V have 95%.
According to this i would say the LRS line will generate more heat, while distributing heat better due to the fan.

 

[Terps420]

Wow, really interesting option. I'll consider trying these. But, doesn't it only seem to run cooler because of the internal fan? 1 watt is still about 3.5 BTU that gotta go somewhere, right?

@Rocket Soul voltage adj range for the 350-12 is 10.2 ~ 13.8V so I would guess functionality is similar to HLG A Vadj

Ya your correct. With the fan it really helps disperse the heat well. As long as your room has good air flow u will b good. I just had a xtra small fan blowing on drivers just for peace of mind but honestly they dont need it. I no from others that the hlg a& b drivers get pretty warm ..they r good drivers for half price of other hlg drivers..