HLG vs HGL Side By Side

[Big Perm]

 

[boilingoil]

At least you don't blame the lighting for the deficiency!
You seem professional enough so try buffering your coco yourself before use. I don't care if you use a pre buffered, brand name coco or not. Just been my experience with growing in coco for over 10 years now that it seem we have come in a circle back to a lack of proper buffering for coir.
This is all I had to do to rid myself of the mysterious LED deficiency in coir.

 

[Kushash]

You can also leaf tuck if bud site "shading" is a concern........whatever, this debate useless and going on since indoor began====do what you want to YOUR plants. No one gives a shit, enjoy

Regarding artificial spectrum(s) for cannabis, it's a balance=== [quantity, quality, duration] as we always say in here. But it seems to lean towards quantity(output/efficacy) from the decades of growing on RIU........or most of the old tech-heads will tell you the same.

fluoro (t5) growers who experimented with exotic aquarium bulbs (following the teachings of prof.) to tweak spds, they all ended up going back to raw output AKA "white" bulbs.

Cfl growers improved yields going to hid = more output

1000w SE hps growers improved yields going to DE=== more output

1000w DE hps/hor reflector grower going to blux eb gen 3 strips? More output, but the rest remains to be seen..... I think it will be a good one : )

Hid growers going to the induction bulb hype and then going back to hid due to loss of yield= less output from seriously ancient Nikolai tesla tech, shocker. Even stubborn indagro eventually abandoned it for LEDs.

400w hps growers praising 315w CMH bulb's spectrum actually went from 1.5 ppf/w(hps) to 1.96 ppf/w(Philips 3200k cmh) =more output. 600w hps growers losing yields switching to inefficient Horti 600w Chps bulb or cheap knock off 630w cmh bulbs with better spd but lower output than standard sodium. The Hortilux Fanclub will attack me, OHD included, don't care ..... I know what I was pmd by growers who actually used that halfassed ceramic tech.

Early led adopters & blurple, almost all upgraded/evolved to white phosphor when cobs entered the scene and repeatedly said they increased yields = more output per watt. how was a 56w 100% mono Hans panel beating out crappy china mono pro grows, black stars, vipars, penetrators, etc running double the watts in 2011?.....oh yeah Osram golden dragons, Philips rebel, cree xpe had significantly more output than the generic encapsulated mono shit diodes in those hot boxes, the cheap thermal management didn't help the case either....

see a fucking pattern?

Yes, exceptions to the rule as always....." What about low-pressure sodium bulbs or pure green mono or pure blue mono smartass?" never seen anyone try a complete cycle, again some balance comes into play. I'm still a believer of a red-leaning spd for flowering annuals; no doubt.

most of my hid "career" I ran hps from start to finish, cause flower paid my bills in the end. The mh swap hassle wasn't worth it ime. Didn't care about the slightly lanky/stretchy veg cause it mostly worked out due to lots of photons being thrown at the canopy=== OUTPUT.....ok, I'll stop now

FYI I'm no expert by any means, just observations

Edit........OHD for the win, winless internet effort to be exact

I don't think this conversation about defoliating was useless.
This thread has a ton of fighting in it and a conversation about defoliating was had and is over in a day without fighting. I think a break occasionally from the fighting can be useful.
Gives everyone a chance to reload.

 

[Kushash]

If you are able to keep your lower fans healthy green to the end as you seem to have been working towards - how about removing only the upper canopy fans?
Flower sites unshaded and solar panels retained = win win

That might work IDK never tried it, I'm sure someone has or will experiment with that.

 

[zypheruk]

A break from fighting on RIU don't be silly it's bullies playground these days. A shame but it is what it is.

 

[NanoGadget]

I don't think this conversation about defoliating was useless.
This thread has a ton of fighting in it and a conversation about defoliating was had and is over in a day without fighting. I think a break occasionally from the fighting can be useful.
Gives everyone a chance to reload.

It really did stay extremely civil for a riu defol debate. Well done everybody!

 

[Big Perm]

Fire sale going on right now on Amazon!!!

Who can pass up a deal like this at $0.1 per watt!!!



The secret to this company's spectrum is using the Sun as supplemental lighting, as seen in these product and grow examples and recommended usage:


-I usually pride myself by not taking shits on companies. Sorry Ammon.

 

[hybridway2]

If you are able to keep your lower fans healthy green to the end as you seem to have been working towards - how about removing only the upper canopy fans?
Flower sites unshaded and solar panels retained = win win

Thats how i do it when i do it.

 

[hybridway2]

You can also leaf tuck if bud site "shading" is a concern........whatever, this debate useless and going on since indoor began====do what you want to YOUR plants. No one gives a shit, enjoy

Regarding artificial spectrum(s) for cannabis, it's a balance=== [quantity, quality, duration] as we always say in here. But it seems to lean towards quantity(output/efficacy) from the decades of growing on RIU........or most of the old tech-heads will tell you the same.

fluoro (t5) growers who experimented with exotic aquarium bulbs (following the teachings of prof.) to tweak spds, they all ended up going back to raw output AKA "white" bulbs.

Cfl growers improved yields going to hid = more output

1000w SE hps growers improved yields going to DE=== more output

1000w DE hps/hor reflector grower going to blux eb gen 3 strips? More output, but the rest remains to be seen..... I think it will be a good one : )

Hid growers going to the induction bulb hype and then going back to hid due to loss of yield= less output from seriously ancient Nikolai tesla tech, shocker. Even stubborn indagro eventually abandoned it for LEDs.

400w hps growers praising 315w CMH bulb's spectrum actually went from 1.5 ppf/w(hps) to 1.96 ppf/w(Philips 3200k cmh) =more output. 600w hps growers losing yields switching to inefficient Horti 600w Chps bulb or cheap knock off 630w cmh bulbs with better spd but lower output than standard sodium. The Hortilux Fanclub will attack me, OHD included, don't care ..... I know what I was pmd by growers who actually used that halfassed ceramic tech.

Early led adopters & blurple, almost all upgraded/evolved to white phosphor when cobs entered the scene and repeatedly said they increased yields = more output per watt. how was a 56w 100% mono Hans panel beating out crappy china mono pro grows, black stars, vipars, penetrators, etc running double the watts in 2011?.....oh yeah Osram golden dragons, Philips rebel, cree xpe had significantly more output than the generic encapsulated mono shit diodes in those hot boxes, the cheap thermal management didn't help the case either....

see a fucking pattern?

Yes, exceptions to the rule as always....." What about low-pressure sodium bulbs or pure green mono or pure blue mono smartass?" never seen anyone try a complete cycle, again some balance comes into play. I'm still a believer of a red-leaning spd for flowering annuals; no doubt.

most of my hid "career" I ran hps from start to finish, cause flower paid my bills in the end. The mh swap hassle wasn't worth it ime. Didn't care about the slightly lanky/stretchy veg cause it mostly worked out due to lots of photons being thrown at the canopy=== OUTPUT.....ok, I'll stop now

FYI I'm no expert by any means, just observations

Edit........OHD for the win, winless internet effort to be exact

Wasnt those HansPanels the simple high 450 & 660 peaks. Thats it? And it still did so well ?

 

[hybridway2]

It really did stay extremely civil for a riu defol debate. Well done everybody!

There's nothing to debate. One has to remove big fans covering big sites or they will end up with shit...
As for the entire full out De-Fo, im not a fan but do split tge difference when needed n usually is growing big plants.
I will say this tho, bar lights Do reduce the need to de-fo. Any centralized fixture smaller then its area or plant will always pull that bitch inward creating a very dense Umbrella-Effect. We see that in the last update.

 

[hybridway2]

Thank you!!!!
Yes, coco related but i just bought DynaGro due to its high Mag & P & low K hoping to fix this. I got that MagPro stuff, the Grow & the Bloom n was just gonna use my GH silica with matching npk . Theyre dark in veg fir sure under burple/rgb.
Hows the Dyna in Peet/ Pro-Mix?
I tried buffering my own coco m it didn't work out to well for me. Im suffering multiple defficencies all over the garden rn & am using close to the same feed as last run which was more successful but not all there.
Happened after a few water with bug oil & a few 1/2 strength feeds. But like i said & many others, it didnt/would'nt happen before. Gotten to come back dark green from tbis phase before but not w/o drastically reducing the lighting & flushing them out. I think the oil treatment may have something to do with it but then I'm just blaming everything but the real problem again. Can't chase ghosts anymore.
Mag switched to Epsom from Mag-Amp is the only other difference n im not seeing the immediate reaction i did from the Mag-Amp which rediculously reduced ph while the Epsom ridiculously increases the EC/PPM.
So yeah. Thats where I'm at with another loss ..
Time to switch up media. Maybe nutes too. Oh, what, ahhh, yeah Jacks 3-2-1 after trying all the expensive shit.

 

[hillbill]

Wasnt those HansPanels the simple high 450 & 660 peaks. Thats it? And it still did so well ?

That would be incorrect as they did have several white diodes also.

 

[NanoGadget]

There's nothing to debate. One has to remove big fans covering big sites or they will end up with shit...
As for the entire full out De-Fo, im not a fan but do split tge difference when needed n usually is growing big plants.
I will say this tho, bar lights Do reduce the need to de-fo. Any centralized fixture smaller then its area or plant will always pull that bitch inward creating a very dense Umbrella-Effect. We see that in the last update.

I do almost none and i most certainly do not end up with shit....

 

[Big Perm]

Jacks 3-2-1 after trying all the expensive shit.

Dude, I'm right behind you.
I don't know. I just found out that the person at DG that put their whole feeding schedule together is the sales and advertising person. This person does know a lot about growing, but has only been growing for about a year or so.
Don't get me wrong, I think their stuff is great stuff. I was recommended to change my pH from 5.8-6.2 to 6.8 in coco. I went round on the phone with them. I ended by saying 'ok, I'll change it to 6.8 and see what happens'. I didn't change a thing except fresh nutes at the new ph. That was yesterday, it should be interesting. It is the make or break moment for me and DG.
I have always said Jack's is next for me after DG.

 

[Big Perm]

I do almost none and i most certainly do not end up with shit....

It's a technique. Techniques are like opinions....

 

[Thundercat]

If you guys are trying out dyna grow and have questions about it. Honestly @homebrewer is who I would be asking about it, and for pointers on how to run it.

 

[Big Perm]

If you guys are trying out dyna grow and have questions about it. Honestly @homebrewer is who I would be asking about it, and for pointers on how to run it.

HB is the man on DG

 

[Kushash]

HB is the man on DG

Cool!
Have @homebrewer stop by here and see what he thinks!
https://www.rollitup.org/t/name-that-deficiency.993559/page-2#post-15017197

 

[NanoGadget]

It's a technique. Techniques are like opinions....

I agree. Was just pointing out that it's a bit obtuse to say that one is going to end up with shit buds if they don't prune. Grown many donkey dick colas without a defol and several with defol when I was experimenting with it. Both ways can work. I do find that my mostly untouched plants seem to be a bit hardier and more resilient when something goes wrong (grower error, pests, physical damage etc.) versus the plants that I've pruned extensively.
Checked out your website recently and I dig it btw.

 

[hybridway2]

I do almost none and i most certainly do not end up with shit....

Ok, let me rephrase that. When you have several 1'-2' colas or goofballs it is necessary to remove leaves directly over the buds or they will be fluffy, less color, less-desirable.
Im not talking about 2oz plants
Lol!