Help w design and setup on small commercial grow

hicountry1

hicountry1

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Hi all, I moved back to OK and am setting up a smallish medical commercial grow. I found a foreclosed house on several acres in a county w no building code. It's a great option bc I can literally do anything I want with it and have no inspectors to deal with.

Onto the project, I tore a 30 x 15 area down to the slab and sheet rock. My plan is for either 18 or 21 lights setup in 3 rows. Going with 1000w de hps fixtures and was considering adding in a few cmh fixtures for a fuller spectrum. Thoughts on if I should go with 18 or 21 lights in the space and whether to just go all hps or adding in some cmh's?

I will be doing all soil to start as I have 20+ years experience with it and quite frankly it gives me the quality I'm looking for to separate myself from the field. Doing 4 plants per light. In my experience using a 4x4 area per light has yielded me the best quality but in a larger room like this I am not sure if that's overkill.

Additionally I will have a Quest 155 dehumidifier, 2 36k btu mini splits, an Iponic 614 controller, and a Titan 8 burner CO2 generator. Do any of you guys run a closed system w CO2 generators? That was my original design but I've been reading a lot of people exhaust rooms w generators.

I have 200 amps available in my existing service with plans to upgrade later as I build out the rest of the space. What is the best way to setup the electric in this room? I have a ton of electrical experience but am curious as to thoughts on how to break up the circuits.

I am interested as to anyone's opinions on the general design and/or components selected. I have no experience with fancy controllers as I have always lived with my grows in the past. Not being on site this time, I thought having the ability to monitor it 24/7 from my phone would be a must.
 
a mongo frog

a mongo frog

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hicountry1 said:
That was my original design but I've been reading a lot of people exhaust rooms w generators.
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I have an exhaust with a burner. Only comes on when temps reach a set point i don't want. Exhaust also kicks on at lights out.
Also I think you may need a couple 5 ton units for a/c.
 
Hydrowannabe

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hicountry1 said:
Hi all, I moved back to OK and am setting up a smallish medical commercial grow. I found a foreclosed house on several acres in a county w no building code. It's a great option bc I can literally do anything I want with it and have no inspectors to deal with.

Onto the project, I tore a 30 x 15 area down to the slab and sheet rock. My plan is for either 18 or 21 lights setup in 3 rows. Going with 1000w de hps fixtures and was considering adding in a few cmh fixtures for a fuller spectrum. Thoughts on if I should go with 18 or 21 lights in the space and whether to just go all hps or adding in some cmh's?

I will be doing all soil to start as I have 20+ years experience with it and quite frankly it gives me the quality I'm looking for to separate myself from the field. Doing 4 plants per light. In my experience using a 4x4 area per light has yielded me the best quality but in a larger room like this I am not sure if that's overkill.

Additionally I will have a Quest 155 dehumidifier, 2 36k btu mini splits, an Iponic 614 controller, and a Titan 8 burner CO2 generator. Do any of you guys run a closed system w CO2 generators? That was my original design but I've been reading a lot of people exhaust rooms w generators.

I have 200 amps available in my existing service with plans to upgrade later as I build out the rest of the space. What is the best way to setup the electric in this room? I have a ton of electrical experience but am curious as to thoughts on how to break up the circuits.

I am interested as to anyone's opinions on the general design and/or components selected. I have no experience with fancy controllers as I have always lived with my grows in the past. Not being on site this time, I thought having the ability to monitor it 24/7 from my phone would be a must.
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@auzziebrat ,....he seems to really know his stuff about monitoring things from his phone and a lot of other stuff. i would ask him. I'm pretty sure the dude is a mad scientist on the side
 
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auzziebrat

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Hydrowannabe said:
@auzziebrat ,....he seems to really know his stuff about monitoring things from his phone and a lot of other stuff. i would ask him. I'm pretty sure the dude is a mad scientist on the side
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You got one point right bruh, I am mad.

on the mobile phone stuff, all my grow related systems are in a closed circuit system. no internet or remote access. Security and stealth are always on the top of my mind.

Shit, took me 6 months to break those rules by signing up here.
 
Renfro

Renfro

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hicountry1 said:
Hi all, I moved back to OK and am setting up a smallish medical commercial grow. I found a foreclosed house on several acres in a county w no building code. It's a great option bc I can literally do anything I want with it and have no inspectors to deal with.

Onto the project, I tore a 30 x 15 area down to the slab and sheet rock. My plan is for either 18 or 21 lights setup in 3 rows. Going with 1000w de hps fixtures and was considering adding in a few cmh fixtures for a fuller spectrum. Thoughts on if I should go with 18 or 21 lights in the space and whether to just go all hps or adding in some cmh's?

I will be doing all soil to start as I have 20+ years experience with it and quite frankly it gives me the quality I'm looking for to separate myself from the field. Doing 4 plants per light. In my experience using a 4x4 area per light has yielded me the best quality but in a larger room like this I am not sure if that's overkill.

Additionally I will have a Quest 155 dehumidifier, 2 36k btu mini splits, an Iponic 614 controller, and a Titan 8 burner CO2 generator. Do any of you guys run a closed system w CO2 generators? That was my original design but I've been reading a lot of people exhaust rooms w generators.

I have 200 amps available in my existing service with plans to upgrade later as I build out the rest of the space. What is the best way to setup the electric in this room? I have a ton of electrical experience but am curious as to thoughts on how to break up the circuits.

I am interested as to anyone's opinions on the general design and/or components selected. I have no experience with fancy controllers as I have always lived with my grows in the past. Not being on site this time, I thought having the ability to monitor it 24/7 from my phone would be a must.
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I have heard bad things about the iPonic, sensors failing is the big issue.
 
Renfro

Renfro

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hicountry1 said:
I have 200 amps available in my existing service with plans to upgrade later as I build out the rest of the space. What is the best way to setup the electric in this room? I have a ton of electrical experience but am curious as to thoughts on how to break up the circuits.
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Obviously the AC units will have dedicated 240v feeds.
Dehu should get a dedicated 120v feed.
Lighting, just run a feed to a lighting controller, probably break them up into 8 light controller / 50 amp runs or you can just get a bigger controller. Draw out your floor plan to see what lighting you will really be using then math out the controller. 18 lights is all you need with 1kW DE HPS and your square footage, and that will light ALL of the space so you may not even need that. Titans 20 light controller is an option but breaking it into smaller 8 light (50 amp) controllers lets you put the controllers closer to the lights so you have less extension cords.
 
Renfro

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For other loads I like to have plenty of circuits, so in my rooms each wall has it's own 20 amp 120v circuit for receptacles.
 
hicountry1

hicountry1

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Renfro said:
I have heard bad things about the iPonic, sensors failing is the big issue.
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I have heard this too but I have heard similar issues w smart bee as well, I need something I can monitor w remotely. I don’t really have the time or energy to build my own at this time as this project is a big one doing all the work myself. Any other options you do like?
 
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hicountry1

hicountry1

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Renfro said:
Obviously the AC units will have dedicated 240v feeds.
Dehu should get a dedicated 120v feed.
Lighting, just run a feed to a lighting controller, probably break them up into 8 light controller / 50 amp runs or you can just get a bigger controller. Draw out your floor plan to see what lighting you will really be using then math out the controller. 18 lights is all you need with 1kW DE HPS and your square footage, and that will light ALL of the space so you may not even need that. Titans 20 light controller is an option but breaking it into smaller 8 light (50 amp) controllers lets you put the controllers closer to the lights so you have less extension cords.
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The de fixtures have a lighting controller similar to the gavita style one. They can be plugged into standard outlets and the digital controller powers them on/off and dims them when necessary. I had the thought of running multiple 50 amp circuits but wasn’t sure if that was the most efficient way of doing it.
 
Renfro

Renfro

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hicountry1 said:
The de fixtures have a lighting controller similar to the gavita style one. They can be plugged into standard outlets and the digital controller powers them on/off and dims them when necessary. I had the thought of running multiple 50 amp circuits but wasn’t sure if that was the most efficient way of doing it.
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Well you could just run 240 volt receptacles, pair two lights per 15 amp feed. You can get duplex 240 volt receptacles, or you can just use 120v cords so you can use cheaper receptacles, if doing that I like to use a different color like orange or red to denote 240v at a glance. A 15 amp feed is capable of taking 12 amps before you start tripping breakers. If you went with 20 amp feeds you would still be limited to two lights per feed.

hicountry1 said:
Any other options you do like?
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No. I have yet to find a good system. You can go with the iPonic just be ready to buy replacements sensors.
 
Aeroknow

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hicountry1 said:
Standard 8 ft ceilings
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That’s usually going to be a problem with 1000W DE’s.

I would rock 750W DE. Not a turned down 1000W bulb, but a 750W bulb. 4 rows of 6.

I know many people who swapped out their 1000W single endeds with a DE ballast turned down to 75%, a 750W bulb and a hood like this hung from their 8’ ceiling. No point adjusting the height.
https://www.amazon.com/Sun-System-Grow-Lights-Hydroponic/dp/B00S27XZ1E

They absolutely destroy a 1000w single ended.

If you’re dead set on using gavita because of their controller, go with their 750W setup, but you’ll lose a little height because the way the ballast is oriented. And you don’t really need the commercial fixture, but will still work.
 
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Hydrowannabe

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auzziebrat said:
You got one point right bruh, I am mad.

on the mobile phone stuff, all my grow related systems are in a closed circuit system. no internet or remote access. Security and stealth are always on the top of my mind.

Shit, took me 6 months to break those rules by signing up here.
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my bad man, ...didnt mean to screw up anything for you by tagging you. unless your real name is actually auzziebrat, then i think your fine. you could always change your name to britishbrat or something to throw people off hah
 
hicountry1

hicountry1

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Should have been more clear, I am running the lights on 240v circuits. I do like using standard outlets vs 240 style ones for the reasons renfro stated.

Ive ran 1000w de fixtures with 8 ft ceilings many times and always had great results. I don't turn them down at all and it hasn't been a problem as my pots are on the floor. I had not considered using 750w fixtures, do you think that's a reasonable option for growing 4ish ft plants?
 
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