Do you count flowering from 12/12 switch or when you see pistil hairs?

Dewie said:
I would tend to agree it's a lot more of a marketing thing than anything else. Why would someone grow a strain that is marketed to finish in 12 weeks when they can get 1 that says done in 8 weeks. What I feel it comes down to is trail and error with educated guesses until you can actually see and sample the harvest. But I also use clones and grow inside so im sure it's different for others. Again im no expert but that's just been my experience. The hardest part isn't the grow it's knowing when it's done.
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Yeah I think we probably lost a lot of good long runner strains due to the way the markets work. Ironically it's the smokers faults as most won't pay more for long runners so it's inevitable that growers and breeders lean heavily into short runners on the whole. If for example the price of a pound was dictated by the amount of weeks it took to flower, we'd see a whole different world of strains. Eventually it may get that way, like wine.
 
This girl is 12/12 from seed and I don’t start the bloom clock until I see pistils, which is usually around week 3-4. She’s now at week8 or week4 of bloom.2D0ADF0E-6598-43DF-93EA-E0F25E0E0100.jpeg
 
Hi guys, I’m new to this forum, but not to growing. I maybe should have read the last few pages of thread because maybe someone finally swayed the masses. 12/12 flip is definitely the beginning of flower. With the various set ups I run, most of my strains begin peeking their pistils at 3-4 days. 10 days would be max for a slow girl, but it’s not going to run 4 weeks? One important factor is the age of the plant at the flip. If she is in early veg then the plant will have to mature some in the beginning of the flower stage. Other than that, when the flowering time says 8-9 weeks, then they are talking about 8-9 weeks from flip. They give you the time frame for a “proper” grow. They don’t give you several times for if you are “OK” at growing it will be 10 weeks. Oh and if you are a “douche” it will take 12. Don’t sweat the extended period to begin achieving signs of bloom if you are new to the grow. You will slowly get it dialed in with every grow. I’m going to support my claim by dropping a fat piece of evidence here for all you “count from the day you see signs of budding because it takes us a while to get our nutes, lights, growing medium caught up” out there. Take a look at all those nutrient bottles and feed charts provided by all the top companies out there, that according to some of you have no clue what they are talking about. Pretty sure they call the 1-2 weeks following the flip as “transition” period, and they lump it in with the bloom/flowering period. Looking at 3 major feed charts right now, and they all give a 9week flower chart with week1 being transition and week9 is flush. Maybe GH among others has no clue what they are talking about? I truly hope every1 out there grows the bombest medicine on Mother Earth. Respect
 
greeNdeeZ said:
Hi guys, I’m new to this forum, but not to growing. I maybe should have read the last few pages of thread because maybe someone finally swayed the masses. 12/12 flip is definitely the beginning of flower. With the various set ups I run, most of my strains begin peeking their pistils at 3-4 days. 10 days would be max for a slow girl, but it’s not going to run 4 weeks? One important factor is the age of the plant at the flip. If she is in early veg then the plant will have to mature some in the beginning of the flower stage. Other than that, when the flowering time says 8-9 weeks, then they are talking about 8-9 weeks from flip. They give you the time frame for a “proper” grow. They don’t give you several times for if you are “OK” at growing it will be 10 weeks. Oh and if you are a “douche” it will take 12. Don’t sweat the extended period to begin achieving signs of bloom if you are new to the grow. You will slowly get it dialed in with every grow. I’m going to support my claim by dropping a fat piece of evidence here for all you “count from the day you see signs of budding because it takes us a while to get our nutes, lights, growing medium caught up” out there. Take a look at all those nutrient bottles and feed charts provided by all the top companies out there, that according to some of you have no clue what they are talking about. Pretty sure they call the 1-2 weeks following the flip as “transition” period, and they lump it in with the bloom/flowering period. Looking at 3 major feed charts right now, and they all give a 9week flower chart with week1 being transition and week9 is flush. Maybe GH among others has no clue what they are talking about? I truly hope every1 out there grows the bombest medicine on Mother Earth. Respect
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I 100% agree with you! There are many threads on this subject and there is no changing anyones mind on the subject. I have seen people posts major breeders answers on the subject as well (them saying flowering starts at flip) and it still wont change the minds of the people who think it starts when they see pistils. Oh well....
 
to tell you the truth, i quit counting a while back. they take as long as they take, and me watching a calendar means fuck all to them. when it starts to look ready i start checking trichs. when the trichs are ready, i harvest...calendars have nothing to do with that
 
One may see pistils a week before his buddy does on the same plant so apart from 12/12 from seed, counting from flip seems reasonable.
 
ganga gurl420 said:
I 100% agree with you! There are many threads on this subject and there is no changing anyones mind on the subject. I have seen people posts major breeders answers on the subject as well (them saying flowering starts at flip) and it still wont change the minds of the people who think it starts when they see pistils. Oh well....
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Oh well is right lol. Sucks to see new people seeking advice get misinformed from the start tho. They will think it’s normal to stress our girls into 4 months of flower, when deficiencies and other issues are the culprit for the extended period. I’m realizing now that the argument will always be there. Just keep raising those beauties proper people! Love em and they gonna show you all kinds of love back x100
 
1st time grower, 1st rime poster. I switched to 12/12 and it took 21 days before I saw the first pistil.

Light flip triggers the flower cycle. Pistils mark flowering’s arrival. Yes?

Does it really matter which you prefer as your marker, as long as you’re keeping track?
 
BooyakaSauce said:
1st time grower, 1st rime poster. I switched to 12/12 and it took 21 days before I saw the first pistil.

Light flip triggers the flower cycle. Pistils mark flowering’s arrival. Yes?

Does it really matter which you prefer as your marker, as long as you’re keeping track?
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Congrats on her pistils! Doesn’t really matter which you prefer. The important part is as RogerA.Shrubber stated. You have to check her trichomes and pistils and let the plant tell you when she is done. Check out some of the strain info for your particular grow to see what her signs will be. One of the ladies I have in 12/12 right now doesn’t turn amber in the trichs, so I keep a close eye on other markers.
 
Roger A. Shrubber said:
to tell you the truth, i quit counting a while back. they take as long as they take, and me watching a calendar means fuck all to them. when it starts to look ready i start checking trichs. when the trichs are ready, i harvest...calendars have nothing to do with that
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Agree. It gets you in the ball park...maybe. Trichs are the determiner, not what a breeder says, or a calendar.
 
Breeder times vary because of the different phenos. You can have 4 seeds of the same strain and all come down at different times.

The reason that I feel it's important for someone to count from flip is most breeders count this way. I am an outdoor grower with a very short grow season and I NEED TO MAKE SURE I'm not growing a 11 or 12 week strain.
A 10 week strain is the longest I can go. If someone says it's a 10 week strain because thar is when they started counting when they first seen pistils then in reality it would be a 12 week strain and I wouldn't be able to grow it.

Its not a big deal to indoor growers but to us outdoor growers, the count means everything when we go to purchase strains.
 
greeNdeeZ said:
Hi guys, I’m new to this forum, but not to growing. I maybe should have read the last few pages of thread because maybe someone finally swayed the masses. 12/12 flip is definitely the beginning of flower. With the various set ups I run, most of my strains begin peeking their pistils at 3-4 days. 10 days would be max for a slow girl, but it’s not going to run 4 weeks? One important factor is the age of the plant at the flip. If she is in early veg then the plant will have to mature some in the beginning of the flower stage. Other than that, when the flowering time says 8-9 weeks, then they are talking about 8-9 weeks from flip. They give you the time frame for a “proper” grow. They don’t give you several times for if you are “OK” at growing it will be 10 weeks. Oh and if you are a “douche” it will take 12. Don’t sweat the extended period to begin achieving signs of bloom if you are new to the grow. You will slowly get it dialed in with every grow. I’m going to support my claim by dropping a fat piece of evidence here for all you “count from the day you see signs of budding because it takes us a while to get our nutes, lights, growing medium caught up” out there. Take a look at all those nutrient bottles and feed charts provided by all the top companies out there, that according to some of you have no clue what they are talking about. Pretty sure they call the 1-2 weeks following the flip as “transition” period, and they lump it in with the bloom/flowering period. Looking at 3 major feed charts right now, and they all give a 9week flower chart with week1 being transition and week9 is flush. Maybe GH among others has no clue what they are talking about? I truly hope every1 out there grows the bombest medicine on Mother Earth. Respect
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The same nute bottles that tell you to feed at ppm levels that would fry most plants on the planet. I wouldn't put a whole bunch of trust in companies trying to split up grow periods week by week just to split up nutes into multiple bottles to coincide with a chart to boost profits.

The same can be said about "breeders" flowering times, THC%, and yield estimates
95% of breeders list flower times between 8-10 weeks because growers obviously want the fastest finishing plants, I don't remember having a strain finish 8 weeks from flip once. It might be my fault but I'd like to think I could've gotten 1/100's right by now even if it was dumb luck.

IMO following feed charts, breeders time frames, or yield estimates only leads to fried, immature, low yielding plants. They're the same as any other salesmen selling the next big thing in an industry full of new growers. Its no different than mcdonalds making a big mac look juicy and delicious on tv, but looks like vomit on a bun in real life. "marketing"
 
Out of curiosity I put this question to 7 well known breeders. And as it turns out it was a 4:3 split. 4 said the the listed weeks was from the flip and 3 said from the first pistils.
 
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