Bi-Partisan Senate report calls for sweeping effort to stop Russian trolls on social media platforms.

Roger A. Shrubber

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Then they hit the books for the tables that are all dusty in the library. People will still be able to do the same stuff if the worst case scenario happens, it will just get slowed way down. And it would get rebuild very quickly since the infrastructure would all still be there.

I do think we need to come up with a way to record everything we know in a way that 10,000 years from now if the world did have a global extinction event if people found it they would be able to have all of the stuff we have learned up to this point. Right now everything is pretty impermanent from the little I have seen. I might well be wrong, but if something did happen, we could go to a library now, but I would not have a clue of where to go to find a full recorded history that would last as long as something like the Rosetta stone.

But this is why I said the whole glasses thing, I am sure people would have been just as likely to say 'one day you won't have those things and be screwed', same with books and any other technological advance in history, people will always pine of the old days being somehow superior.
it's not the old days, it's the old ways...i'll admit i have a problem accepting help. my general response is fuck off, i'm fine. even if i have a large bolder on my chest. that's exactly where i want it, now fuck off....
so it's hard for me to imagine wanting to rely on a device for anything. i went into the root on my computer and disabled cortanna..,
i know there are some smart kids out there, but it sure seems like there are less of them than there used to be, and more dumbasses walking into shit because they're staring at their phones instead of watching where they're going.
 

hanimmal

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it's not the old days, it's the old ways...i'll admit i have a problem accepting help. my general response is fuck off, i'm fine. even if i have a large bolder on my chest. that's exactly where i want it, now fuck off....
so it's hard for me to imagine wanting to rely on a device for anything. i went into the root on my computer and disabled cortanna..,
i know there are some smart kids out there, but it sure seems like there are less of them than there used to be, and more dumbasses walking into shit because they're staring at their phones instead of watching where they're going.
Its because the smart ones are inside busting their asses, there is still plenty of dumbness running around to be sure.
 

PokerJay83

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https://www.politifact.com/facebook-fact-checks/statements/2019/feb/25/blog-posting/no-members-congress-dont-have-dual-citizenship-isr/

you ever bother to fact check the idiotic bullshit you WANT to believe, before you start spreading it? this makes you a liar, just like trump....spreading misinformation is lying....liar
politifact is owned by the poynter institute... another Zionist owned organization.... and there are several lists with between 65-90 members of Congress/senators that have dual citizens.

But it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know that Israel runs the United States. The Jinsa department is the most powerful department of the cia, and the CFR leans heavy toward Israel. AIPAC spends billions on buying our politicians.

and I’m not even that mad at Israel. Israel is going to do what is in the best interest of Israel... and we should do the same... as a free and independent nation we dont need a country the size of New Jersey to dictate our foreign policy.

and you mention trump??? His base are practically begging for sky daddy to come “rapture them.” The evangelicals here in Kentucky are the most pro Israel I’ve ever seen. Most anti Semitism comes in the left.
 
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PokerJay83

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Roger A. Shrubber

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politifact is owned by the poynter institute... another Zionist owned organization.... and there are several lists with between 65-90 members of Congress/senators that have dual citizens.

But it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know that Israel runs the United States. The Jinsa department is the most powerful department of the cia, and the CFR leans heavy toward Israel. AIPAC spends billions on buying our politicians.

and I’m not even that mad at Israel. Israel is going to do what is in the best interest of Israel... and we should do the same... as a free and independent nation we dont need a country the size of New Jersey to dictate our foreign policy.

and you mention trump??? His base are practically begging for sky daddy to come “rapture them.” The evangelicals here in Kentucky are the most pro Israel I’ve ever seen. Most anti Semitism comes in the left.
sure, the bad jews own everything, and use the truth to tell lies...
those lists are made by racist assholes with agendas, and you swallow it like its candy....
which is exactly what you're thinking about me right now, in reverse...
this just points out how far apart people in this country can be, politically, philosophically, and morally....
i think trump is an evil fuck, i think he is the single greatest threat to America that exists right now, greater than Putin's russia, greater than Kim's korea, greater than every Terrrorist in the world, combined. anything they are capable of, pales in the face of the actual damage trump does to this country on a daily basis.
Israel can't fucking run Israel...they can't take care of a few palestinians throwing fucking rocks, for fuck's sake. their government is in a shambles over corruption and bribery scandals....they do not run America....wealthy individuals of several ethnicities run this country. the owners of large industry run this country. they make things happen, and if they thought for one minute that israel was interfering in their operations, they would destroy isreal financially. the "Illuminatti" exist...they just aren't the organized, regimented entity conspiracy theorist yearn for...they're a bunch of rich powerful people who communicate with each other and make decisions that effect the whole world. i highly doubt they have an over reaching "plan"...they just do business with each other, and we take what we get...
 

PokerJay83

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sure, the bad jews own everything, and use the truth to tell lies...
those lists are made by racist assholes with agendas, and you swallow it like its candy....
which is exactly what you're thinking about me right now, in reverse...
this just points out how far apart people in this country can be, politically, philosophically, and morally....
i think trump is an evil fuck, i think he is the single greatest threat to America that exists right now, greater than Putin's russia, greater than Kim's korea, greater than every Terrrorist in the world, combined. anything they are capable of, pales in the face of the actual damage trump does to this country on a daily basis.
Israel can't fucking run Israel...they can't take care of a few palestinians throwing fucking rocks, for fuck's sake. their government is in a shambles over corruption and bribery scandals....they do not run America....wealthy individuals of several ethnicities run this country. the owners of large industry run this country. they make things happen, and if they thought for one minute that israel was interfering in their operations, they would destroy isreal financially. the "Illuminatti" exist...they just aren't the organized, regimented entity conspiracy theorist yearn for...they're a bunch of rich powerful people who communicate with each other and make decisions that effect the whole world. i highly doubt they have an over reaching "plan"...they just do business with each other, and we take what we get...
what do you think the main purpose of the cia is? Why was it created?
 

Fogdog

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politifact is owned by the poynter institute... another Zionist owned organization.... and there are several lists with between 65-90 members of Congress/senators that have dual citizens.

But it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know that Israel runs the United States. The Jinsa department is the most powerful department of the cia, and the CFR leans heavy toward Israel. AIPAC spends billions on buying our politicians.

and I’m not even that mad at Israel. Israel is going to do what is in the best interest of Israel... and we should do the same... as a free and independent nation we dont need a country the size of New Jersey to dictate our foreign policy.

and you mention trump??? His base are practically begging for sky daddy to come “rapture them.” The evangelicals here in Kentucky are the most pro Israel I’ve ever seen. Most anti Semitism comes in the left.
LOL

Politifacts states their sources and reasons for their ratings. The reader can cross check information on their own. The only way one can reject their summary of a site's accuracy is by believing they are part of a grand conspiracy like you just did.

Objective facts are verifiable and don't change. When people go by belief in absence of fact like you do, they can spin whatever kind of story they like. The Bible, religion and Comet Ping Pong Pizza are an examples, not to mention your boring Illuminati, chemtrails, Zionist fake conspiracy theories.

Which brings me back to my main question for you. Why do you continue to defend Erdogan?
 

PokerJay83

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LOL

Politifacts states their sources and reasons for their ratings. The reader can cross check information on their own. The only way one can reject their summary of a site's accuracy is by believing they are part of a grand conspiracy like you just did.

Objective facts are verifiable and don't change. When people go by belief in absence of fact like you do, they can spin whatever kind of story they like. The Bible, religion and Comet Ping Pong Pizza are an examples, not to mention your boring Illuminati, chemtrails, Zionist fake conspiracy theories.

Which brings me back to my main question for you. Why do you continue to defend Erdogan?
well you didn’t even watch the video I posted which is aipac employees on camera describing how they buy politicians.... but if you aren’t aware of aipac and Israel’s influence over our government than you are even more stupid than I thought you were.
 

Unclebaldrick

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no anti Semitism here... just do not trust Israel as in the Zionist political state... and many dems do not. I’m not a hollocaust denier and I do not think Jewish people are evil. Evil to me is not inherent to any one religion imo. You look at the Vatican and the Catholic Church..., it seems to be evil... you look at Baptist’s... 20,000 Masonic pastors... and yes there are some khaballistic Jews which are evil to the core.... I believe religion all together is being used as a control measure + to extort money. Even with mossad/cia being behind 9/11 I don’t blame the average Israeli.... certainly not a western Jew. I feel like at the very top... whoever is funding the Talmud rabbis... that they have turned their backs on Torah and have embraced more babylonian principals.
Do you have any opinions on spirit cooking?
 

Fogdog

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LOL, "Watch this video -- that is freely available to everybody -- that "the government doesn't want you to see. "

So, you are citing a creditably factually accurate but highly biased site.

Here is their rating from: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/electronic-intifada/

Electronic Intifada

Electronic Intifada - Left Bias
LEFT BIAS

These media sources are moderately to strongly biased toward liberal causes through story selection and/or political affiliation. They may utilize strong loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes), publish misleading reports and omit reporting of information that may damage liberal causes. Some sources in this category may be untrustworthy.


MBFC do go into this claim that Politifact made that gave your source a Pants on Fire rating for a story they ran a few years ago:

We could not find any instance where EI directly failed a fact check from major fact checking sources. We did however find a case where EI refuted a pants on fire claim from Politifact that stated the Baltimore police were trained by Mossad. In their rebuttle, EI is careful to indicate that Mossad did not directly train the Baltimore Police, however they refute that there are not connections based on the defensive style they were trained in and the fact the police had visited Israel twice for training. In the end, Politifact is correct that it is unproven Mossad trained the Baltimore Police, but EI makes a compelling, well sourced rebuttal that there are connections to Israel. The issue with this exchange is the misleading headline used by EI: PolitiFact denies Israeli ties to Baltimore police despite evidence. Politifact’s fact check did not ask if there were Israeli ties, it centered purely on Mossad. Based on this misleading headline, I would rate EI as somewhat mixed for factual reporting despite the use of excellent sourcing in most articles and left biased based on story selection and wording that sometimes amounts to propaganda . (D. Van Zandt 5/13/2016) (Updated (8/3/2017)

This is the problem with highly biased sites and probably explains why the left have become so radicalized. Good propaganda is based upon facts. Good propagandists spin those facts to make the story they want chumps like you to believe. I would recommend to weak minded people like you to stick to less biased news sources because you have shown that you are unable to deal with conflicting information.

Did not watch the video. Videos like that are not good sources of information. They are great at confirming one's bias, so they make great propaganda and are a tool for those who want to influence, not inform.
 
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hanimmal

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politifact is owned by the poynter institute... another Zionist owned organization.... and there are several lists with between 65-90 members of Congress/senators that have dual citizens.
I am guessing you didn't read the part then that said the whole dual citizenship thing was bogus due to those 'reports' you refer to are going off of a list of people who have Jewish ancestry, and it is a false claim than anyone with Jewish heritage is a dual citizen based on lies being told by racists.
 

Fogdog

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No Jew hating here. That is your assertion and a false one. Supporter of Bernie (a Jew) and many Jewish friends who are much smarter than yourself... nothing anti Semitic about speaking the truth regarding Israel. Matter a fact many democrats and Jews feel the same way I do.
Your posts most certainly convey your hatred of all Jewish people. This is indisputable not subject to debate.
 

Fogdog

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well you didn’t even watch the video I posted which is aipac employees on camera describing how they buy politicians.... but if you aren’t aware of aipac and Israel’s influence over our government than you are even more stupid than I thought you were.
Still you deflect.

Why do you support Erdogan?
 

f series

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On that end, yes. They have won. It's proven each and every day. Here's just a few of the folks that have been hacked within the last 3 years:
  • Citibank
  • Equifax
  • The United States Army
  • The United States Airforce
  • IBM
  • Microsoft
  • Goldman Sachs
Now, if those guys get hit, what the flying fuck makes you think you can stop it? Or anybody for that matter?

The sad news is: AMERICANS ARE STUPID.

We just are. At large. We're number 31st in the world in education BEHIND people like:
  • The Czech Republic
  • Vietnam
  • Slovenia
  • China
  • Taiwan
  • Estonia
and that's just naming a few.

When you have to rely on the rest of the world for all of your higher purpose programming and then you hire patent idiot Americans to actually implement it and run it, you are DOOMED to failure.
Too bad everyone buys into bullshit marketing.
And the bad part of capitalism
 

hanimmal

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This is what happens when you have a Trump cultist in charge of the information we see. This is a clear attempt to try to 'what about' China not liking him enough to pay him off, when the Russian military is currently attacking our citizens.

But at least he had to admit that Trumps criminal lawyer is peddling Russian propaganda for dear leader.
Washington Post link
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The government of China prefers that President Trump not win reelection in November, seeing the incumbent as “unpredictable,” and Russia is using a range of measures to try to “denigrate” the president’s opponent, former vice president Joe Biden, including selective leaks of information and efforts on social media, a top U.S. intelligence official said in a statement Friday.

The statement by William Evanina, director of the National Counterintelligence and Security Center, was notable for identifying three countries seeking to influence the 2020 election — China, Russia and Iran. But he portrayed Russia as the most active source of interference. Evanina also said that a Ukrainian lawmaker who has been in contact with Rudolph W. Giuliani, Trump’s personal lawyer, is part of a Russian disinformation effort.

“[P]ro-Russia Ukrainian parliamentarian Andriy Derkach is spreading claims about corruption — including through publicizing leaked phone calls — to undermine former Vice President Biden’s candidacy and the Democratic Party,” Evanina said.

Derkach met in December with Giuliani as part of an effort by the president’s allies to obtain damaging information about Biden in Ukraine, The Washington Post has reported. Giuliani also hosted Derkach on his podcast in February and has said the two have spoken repeatedly about Ukraine and Biden, terming the Ukrainian lawmaker “very helpful.”

Giuliani has said that he was aware there were recordings of Biden speaking to Ukrainians and that he sought to obtain them in 2019, while he was working to locate information helpful to Trump in Ukraine. “We would have loved to get the recordings, but we never did,” Giuliani previously told The Post.

Evanina also ascribed activities to Russia that were reminiscent of its interference in 2016, when Russia trolls bankrolled by an ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin used social media platforms to flame political divisions in the United States and spread false information.

“Some Kremlin-linked actors are also seeking to boost President Trump’s candidacy on social media and Russian television,” Evanina said.

Russia is targeting Biden as well as “what it sees as an anti-Russia ‘establishment,’ ” Evanina said. “This is consistent with Moscow’s public criticism of him when he was Vice President for his role in the Obama Administration’s policies on Ukraine and its support for the anti-Putin opposition inside Russia.”

Evanina had previously drawn sharp criticism from Democratic lawmakers, who said that he needed to be more forthcoming with the public about threats that he had laid out for them in classified meetings. Evanina’s comments were the most detailed to date on various foreign efforts to influence the election. Evanina also called out Iran for “trying to divide” Americans and said Tehran “probably will focus on online influence” to foment those divisions.

Some U.S. officials criticized Evanina for appearing to equate the efforts of China and Russia when the Kremlin was interfering much more directly.

“Between China and Russia, only one of those two is trying to actively influence the outcome of the 2020 election, full stop,” said a senior U.S. official, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive information.

Another U.S. official, who also spoke on the condition of anonymity, said that it would be misleading to compare Russia and China’s efforts as parallel in scope. China sees the U.S. as an adversary but takes a longer-term, strategic approach that, so far, doesn’t include the kinds of short-term efforts to wound a political candidate, the official said.

“China has been expanding its influence efforts” ahead of the vote in November, pressuring political figures it sees as opposed to its interest and trying to “deflect and counter criticism of China,” Evanina said in his statement.
 

hanimmal

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Looks like Russia is starting shit up in France again with their Yellow Vest protests. Just saw this on Youtube. Screen Shot 2020-09-12 at 7.01.42 AM.png

Ruptly is Russian state sponsored propaganda.
 

hanimmal

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I guess I would talk like you people on this forum if I were going nowhere, angry losers, not getting their way, expected to get a job, carry your own water, just to name a few. Trump wins and we all win including you. If Biden wins we all lose including you. It will be tangible and real regardless of words and labels you stupid people use. Just so you know, you all took the cheese! Think your so clever checking my age and believing what it says. I have worked for 1099 or straight commission income my whole life and I am 63, no debt, retired, and really do think it sad that you people are wired the way you are with apparently no way to change you. Well if you come to my table while I'm having dinner with my wife? You will not see another sunrise!! I'm ready to go, how about you?
So are you ok with Trump's continually giving the Russian military cover to attack our vulnerable citizens online? Because I am not. It is not something that will get fixed until Trump nor Republican control in DC, and it needs to stop for all of our sanity.

Also you are misinformed about Biden's and the Democratic parties impact on our economy.
 

hanimmal

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I know that, I'm doing the same thing in my own way, provided there's some hope and many Trumpers are losing faith. I try to remind them about democracy, the constitution and what freedom means under it. I often ask what they see in Trump and what their biggest issues are, the more sincere will try to answer. Foggy will shoot their arguments through the heart and You will bury them in facts.
Again, I am not here to bury people with fact. I am here to help them see through the fog of propaganda and trolls that are attacking our democracy.

Some of them are actual enemies of the constitution, most are misguided victims of disinformation and decades old false narratives promulgated by the republicans. Almost all are racist at some level, Dylan Roof's reframe of "they're taking over", echoes among them, tribalism. It is the disinformation and alternate reality infrastructure that unifies, gives structure and direction.
The problem comes when they actually are spammed so much with propaganda that they believe the big lies.


And when they try to discuss it they get attacked by trolls pretending to be from the left.

Conversations need to start being had to overcome this attack on our nation.

This is not just a problem for America, but every liberal democracy and unfortunately America is the source of much of the problem, specifically the social media and other internet companies. The lack of professional journalistic standards and practices along with the proliferation of state sponsored disinformation and propaganda is becoming dangerous. This is especially so for liberal democracies who are multicultural and multiracial, we have lot's of potential divisions to exploit.

The quality of our decisions is dependent on the quality of information we have to work with, bullshit in, bullshit out.
Is this part a troll? Attacking American journalism? Because it really seems like it is. Almost like when you were pushing Hydroxiwhatever and posting that religious doctors videos that Trump trolls were pushing.

Especially since you really have hit on a lot of the Russian disinformation campaigns bingo card with it. American companies have been hijacked, for sure. So have Canadian sites, and every other countries. Cambridge Analytic was a UK company right?

Sure American companies like Facebook as well as American politicians like Trump and the Republicans have helped the Russians in their attempt to destroy our democracy, but that does not mean that the rest of America is not rising up against it.

This is a attack being conducted by the Russian military.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Is this part a troll? Attacking American journalism? Because it really seems like it is.
No, it is an identified problem as are the ones you outlined and is a problem that democracies must cooperate and coordinate on. The Russians are doing the attacking because new technology created holes in the system that were exploited and it will be an ongoing war, not just in America, look at Brexit and decades before climate gate. In the past newspaper editors cut off foreign propaganda at the knees, not so much these days.

This problem is not America's alone and neither is it's solution, responsible government in America will help a lot, once that is re established problem solving can begin.
 

hanimmal

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hanimmal I am confused, sorry.. why do you say military, there was no talk of military.
I see. You said the 'media' of your country was pro-Clinton/Biden. That is a individual company, not your government actively interacting with our citizens in a way to actually manipulate their understanding of facts in a way to benefit Donald Trump's election chances, which is what what the Russian military at the direction of Putin has done.

By media I mean public television, newspapers and every other renowned news source.
I agree with the first two, but the last is not necessarily legally bound to not provide a cherrypicked narrative that their troll army can then use to build credibility with bullshit sources to sell their con.

I really dont understand what you are saying about the trolls and the elections etc.
Check out this thread and these posts too:

(Russian troll that Trump met with in 2013)
https://www.rollitup.org/t/ap-news-trump-campaigns-russia-contacts-grave-threat-senate-says.1028063/post-15745759

(Russian bot videos)
https://www.rollitup.org/t/ap-cyborgs-trolls-and-bots-a-guide-to-online-misinformation.1005699/post-15345638

(data manipulated psychological profile propaganda spam)
https://www.rollitup.org/t/ap-cyborgs-trolls-and-bots-a-guide-to-online-misinformation.1005699/post-15310450

(Trolling on every side of every issue that the Russians did)
https://www.rollitup.org/t/change-my-mind-please.1024266/post-15668217

Who do you think the German Intelligence Agency worked for pre 2016 US elections?
Im guessing German citizens.

What about Mossad and all other countries in the world that are in any way dependent on the US (which is almost every country) you dont think they mingled with the peoples minds too? Why do you only speak about Russia all the time, is it because that is what your Sources tell you?

What about China.. they didnt do anything? They worked for Trump too, didnt they?
Im sure all the dictators like Netanyahu have been caught with their hands in the cookie jar, and that is why they are in trouble. Don't try to paint me into your little mental box that makes you feel better.

If you are not just another of the endless line of paid foreign trolls, I hope you stick around. Once you get over the inability to actually consider real information and draw your own conclusions again it makes talking a lot easier.

The years of listening to talking heads chewyour food for you (telling you what to think about information they show you in a youtube/Instagram/whatever forum video clickbait), it is hard to take the couple seconds to actually think and consider what is said before you respond.

Russia is the only one that got caught in public at this point. It could be that the Russian military just took a shot to implicate Trump and are using it and whatever else they have on Trump to their supposed benefit. But they chose poorly and Trump was such an idiot con artist that he exposed the whole criminal enterprise because he couldn't keep his big mouth shut.



The scam is exposed. I really hope you are not a troll and stick around man. If you get attacked by people, it is because you haven't distinguished yourself from them enough to not be picked on. Best of luck and always remember if you feel you are being trolled, use your ignore feature.

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