*Stress the hell out of the plants at the end of flowering!! *

[kathleenbilly]

Hello guys,

I want to get opinions...''

A grower swears by this method as which he claims increases his end bud size yeild.

Lets use a 8 week flowering cycle as the example..''

On 7 weeks he cuts off all leaves on the branches leaving only the few leaves coming out the buds themselves, so leaving basically just a bare plant with only the buds left!!

Then 2 days before it crops them, he staves them of water so they dry out the roots completely more stress!!

He claims this process on 7 weeks panics the plants immediately because it's dying now pushes all it's energy into the buds thus making them bigger....On the last two days, stops water to the roots drys them out more stress which again he claims makes the plant use all resources from the stem and remaining branches which still holds water etc to futher push to the buds.

Would love to hear views on this process......'' Good or Bad?

 

[meathook666]

I think that to grow great buds you have to take good care of your plants throughout the whole growth. Buds are not done in one day. All this last minute hocus-pocus isn't going to transform mediocre buds into something magnificent. And if they are great already then you achieved your goal.

 

[acidbox420]

think of the plant like a solar powerd car if you break all the solar panels your car isnt gonna move very far is it, cutting alot of your leaves off wont do any good



edit: oh and here are some words from some one much more experienced

Foliage production - Grow for the most amount of foliage you can going into the flowering response. Maintain those leaves in a green and healthy condition up until harvest, even if it means switching fertilizer to a high N value, like a 9-3-6.

 

[Imlovinit]

I've heard of stressing the plants to make them produce more. But never tried it myself. I'll give it a shot, doubt anything negative could result in jst two days.

 

[kathleenbilly]

Well he does it and saids the buds swell up more as a result of it...''


Let me try and explain the method or the science behind it......

If a plant is left to naturally flower if will continue at it's own pace maybe 8-10 weeks whatever it needs i suppose.

If you stress the plant basically killing it, then it's natural defence is to then push all resources immediately into it's flowers/buds.

This will always be the last part of the plant that will die under stress, the plant will feed from all parts of itself to ensure it can push its total focus into the end product.

That was the augument put to me and i can understand the logic in the mad method.

The buds he gets are big and fat so it does work guys...Does it give him more yeild ?

God knows the answer to that!

 

[GreatwhiteNorth]

Snake oil and wives tale's.
As was stated before, this is just voodo science.
If the plant is a true 8 week finisher, nothing you do on week 7.75 will have any noticable difference in bud production, and there is no reason to brutalize this beautiful plant like that.
That being said, I regularly with-hold water the last 3-4 days (just short of leaf wilt) before harvest just to speed the drying process.
GWN

 

[dura72]

i dress up a nazi and threaten to gas my plants, works wonders for the stressing , although my neighbours , the goldbergs, have been giving me funny looks.

 

[tinyTURTLE]

try dressing like a mullah.

 

[BCBuddy420]

think of the plant like a solar powerd car if you break all the solar panels your car isnt gonna move very far is it, cutting alot of your leaves off wont do any good



edit: oh and here are some words from some one much more experienced

I often use the solar panel method of explaining this. The fan leaves act as light absorbant surfaces where photosynthesis takes place. More fan leaves, more absorbtion, more absorbtion, more sugars made, more sugars made, "sweeter" buds. And as for drying them out at the end, that is not as bad as the fan removal. I hear it just makes for a quicker dry time, I don't know about the whole " stresses the plant and it fattens the buds " thing. While a plant is any phase if you under water it it just dies off an wilts, doesn't get more weight or potency. IMO, I may be wrong.

 

[BCBuddy420]

Snake oil and wives tale's.
As was stated before, this is just voodo science.
If the plant is a true 8 week finisher, nothing you do on week 7.75 will have any noticable difference in bud production, and there is no reason to brutalize this beautiful plant like that.
That being said, I regularly with-hold water the last 3-4 days (just short of leaf wilt) before harvest just to speed the drying process.
GWN

Originally Posted by Mysticlown150
When there's a power outage try to put the plants by a window and turn any light on on your room.
LMFAO!!! that was a good hearty laugh man, thanks. How fuckin stoned was this guy eh??? hahaha

 

[BCBuddy420]

Hello guys,

I want to get opinions...''

A grower swears by this method as which he claims increases his end bud size yeild.

Lets use a 8 week flowering cycle as the example..''

On 7 weeks he cuts off all leaves on the branches leaving only the few leaves coming out the buds themselves, so leaving basically just a bare plant with only the buds left!!

Then 2 days before it crops them, he staves them of water so they dry out the roots completely more stress!!

He claims this process on 7 weeks panics the plants immediately because it's dying now pushes all it's energy into the buds thus making them bigger....On the last two days, stops water to the roots drys them out more stress which again he claims makes the plant use all resources from the stem and remaining branches which still holds water etc to futher push to the buds.

Would love to hear views on this process......'' Good or Bad?

Beat them, starve them, piss on em', leave em' in the cold, scream at them,tear them limb from limb leaving them bare, kick them, tell them they are worthless. Tell them what your gonna do to them soon too. Then you will have GIGANTIC HUGE MASSIVE RESIN FILLED BUDS THAT JUST TRIPLE IN SIZE AND POTENCY IN 2-3 DAYS i COULDN'T BE MORE FACITIOUS

 

[sensisensai]

Bc bud When u put it like that its sounds sooo unreasonable. Lol. Ill say what everyone else has. DO NOT remove a leaf less than 50% dead ever! Unless u got pm or somethin obviously. And the dry plants is just a (very good) technique to safely reduce dry time without the whole fresh cut grass smell becoming a permanance. Don't listen to ur friend. Uncle ben knows his shit.the only thing better looking than a 1oz khola is a healthy 1oz khola.

 

[ganjaluvr]

yeah I kinda understand where this guy is coming from with making such a statement..

but then again.. the laws of growth and botany.. say otherwise.

Just a few facts for ya to take in consideration:

I'd stop giving nutrients a couple weeks before harvest, giving only plain water. Washing all the nitrogen out of the soil (depriving the plant of N) is what will cause the plant to consume all its clorophyll, which is a good thing.

Dry Air = More Resin
One final flush should occur a day or two before harvesting, with the final 24 hours of the garden’s life being spent in relative dryness. This last deluge should be done with fresh water and can be a single or a two-step flush, depending on how much fertilizer was applied previous to the final two weeks of flowering. This will be the final watering your plants ever get. In doing this, you help ensure that the plants will begin to slowly dehydrate as you approach harvest, which in turn will aid the plants in their final hours of resin production.


When the relative humidity in the garden is low, your resin production will increase. This is a natural response cannabis has to dry air, an attempt to protect itself from hot, dry conditions. Marijuana resin actually has one of the highest UV-resistance ratings in the plant kingdom.


Most indoor growers begin taking off the large fan leaves about a week before actual harvest. This is a good idea, especially once these leaves begin paling from green to yellow in color. Once the plants are cut, trimmed and manicured to perfection, it is best to hang branches upside down on strings strung across open spaces to get maximum air flow over your buds. Keeping buds on the branches does slow the drying, as the branches do retain some water however, this is the easiest way to completely surround buds with dry air without using drying chambers or machines.


Remember that a plant is not dead upon cutting—it is still very much alive. A plant is effectively dead when the water pressure inside is too low to continue vascular movement. In other words, when the waterworks stop, the plant is dead. The goal here is to dry the plant as evenly as possible and at a nice slow pace. When buds are rapidly dried, the plant tissue can trap in unwanted starches and nitrates which cause buds to burn unevenly and with an awful taste.


At four to five days into the dry, the tips of some buds might be dry enough to pluck off and sample. After the buds have gone through their full cycle of drying, we want to slow the whole thing down and draw the rest of the moisture out very gradually. This is the curing process.


Those are all FACTS. But the statement about starving the plant(s) from water (especially for only two days) isn't enough time for the plant to do hardly anything to begin with. Two weeks? Maybe.. but again.. starving the plant from water isn't going to do anything positive for the plant... that's for sure.


This again falls into the "common sense" category. But it's cool, I like trying to help answer questions whenever I can.


hope that helped you out some.. if not.. well.. my bad.


peace.

 

[kathleenbilly]

yeah I kinda understand where this guy is coming from with making such a statement..

but then again.. the laws of growth and botany.. say otherwise.

Just a few facts for ya to take in consideration:

I'd stop giving nutrients a couple weeks before harvest, giving only plain water. Washing all the nitrogen out of the soil (depriving the plant of N) is what will cause the plant to consume all its clorophyll, which is a good thing.

Dry Air = More Resin
One final flush should occur a day or two before harvesting, with the final 24 hours of the garden’s life being spent in relative dryness. This last deluge should be done with fresh water and can be a single or a two-step flush, depending on how much fertilizer was applied previous to the final two weeks of flowering. This will be the final watering your plants ever get. In doing this, you help ensure that the plants will begin to slowly dehydrate as you approach harvest, which in turn will aid the plants in their final hours of resin production.


When the relative humidity in the garden is low, your resin production will increase. This is a natural response cannabis has to dry air, an attempt to protect itself from hot, dry conditions. Marijuana resin actually has one of the highest UV-resistance ratings in the plant kingdom.


Most indoor growers begin taking off the large fan leaves about a week before actual harvest. This is a good idea, especially once these leaves begin paling from green to yellow in color. Once the plants are cut, trimmed and manicured to perfection, it is best to hang branches upside down on strings strung across open spaces to get maximum air flow over your buds. Keeping buds on the branches does slow the drying, as the branches do retain some water however, this is the easiest way to completely surround buds with dry air without using drying chambers or machines.


Remember that a plant is not dead upon cutting—it is still very much alive. A plant is effectively dead when the water pressure inside is too low to continue vascular movement. In other words, when the waterworks stop, the plant is dead. The goal here is to dry the plant as evenly as possible and at a nice slow pace. When buds are rapidly dried, the plant tissue can trap in unwanted starches and nitrates which cause buds to burn unevenly and with an awful taste.


At four to five days into the dry, the tips of some buds might be dry enough to pluck off and sample. After the buds have gone through their full cycle of drying, we want to slow the whole thing down and draw the rest of the moisture out very gradually. This is the curing process.


Those are all FACTS. But the statement about starving the plant(s) from water (especially for only two days) isn't enough time for the plant to do hardly anything to begin with. Two weeks? Maybe.. but again.. starving the plant from water isn't going to do anything positive for the plant... that's for sure.


This again falls into the "common sense" category. But it's cool, I like trying to help answer questions whenever I can.


hope that helped you out some.. if not.. well.. my bad.


peace.

Nice reply,

Myself i like to keep the natural growth process of the plant as much as i can i would not do this myself it just would not feel right doing it?

I've always got good quality buds if it aint broken why fix it? the thought of being a butcher at the end of the plant in it's full bloom seems just wrong. She's ready when she's ready is my view and will show naturally.

Like a free range chicken left in peace the eggs taste better yes?

 

[ganjaluvr]

well spoken Kathleen.

nice.

 

[CocoGrowo]

I am sorry if necro'ing threads is bad, but this one popped up on Google search for the terms so new information here will serve those hunting it down from google than starting a new thread and erasing this one's page rank.

but I'm currently looking into this practice because of a new study that was just posted in MG over on Reddit. I don't think it's been put through any major peer reviews or anything, so we need people to back up what this study claims. . .but a lot of people here are saying this doesn't work while this study says a drought toward the end of flower can both increase overall yield and increase cannabioids (including thca, cbda)

(PDF) Increasing Inflorescence Dry Weight and Cannabinoid Content in Medical Cannabis Using Controlled Drought Stress

PDF | Controlled application of drought can increase secondary metabolite concentrations in some essential oil-producing crops. To evaluate the effects... | Find, read and cite all the research you need on ResearchGate

www.researchgate.net

what are your thoughts on the study. and is this a common practice these days with some growers here?

 

[Xs121]

I am sorry if necro'ing threads is bad, but this one popped up on Google search for the terms so new information here will serve those hunting it down from google than starting a new thread and erasing this one's page rank.

but I'm currently looking into this practice because of a new study that was just posted in MG over on Reddit. I don't think it's been put through any major peer reviews or anything, so we need people to back up what this study claims. . .but a lot of people here are saying this doesn't work while this study says a drought toward the end of flower can both increase overall yield and increase cannabioids (including thca, cbda)

(PDF) Increasing Inflorescence Dry Weight and Cannabinoid Content in Medical Cannabis Using Controlled Drought Stress

PDF | Controlled application of drought can increase secondary metabolite concentrations in some essential oil-producing crops. To evaluate the effects... | Find, read and cite all the research you need on ResearchGate

www.researchgate.net

what are your thoughts on the study. and is this a common practice these days with some growers here?

You resurrected this old thread but at least you did your research unlike those who preached about their solar panel. For that I applaud you, continue the attitude and you'll go far in your growing skill.

And yes to stressing the plant to increase secondary metabolites (trichomes for us) production. Currently, I have an 8th wk plant close to harvest and I'm letting it finish by....

1. Defoliating all fan leaves that have stem (leaving the sugar leaves) and
2. stressing it further by not watering it

When the plant starts to show sign of wilt as in pale leaves and the leaves losing their turgor pressure....its chop time for me.

 

[CocoGrowo]

You resurrected this old thread but at least you did your research unlike those who preached about their solar panel. For that I applaud you, continue the attitude and you'll go far in your growing skill.

And yes to stressing the plant to increase secondary metabolites (trichomes for us) production. Currently, I have an 8th wk plant close to harvest and I'm letting it finish by....

1. Defoliating all fan leaves that have stem (leaving the sugar leaves) and
2. stressing it further by not watering it

When the plant starts to show sign of wilt as in pale leaves and the leaves losing their turgor pressure....its chop time for me.

this is all new to me so learning these techniques are super interesting. I was recently told that my bag seed plant has about 2 weeks left (maybe 3), and I was curious if you thought I should start this as well. a couple of trichome shots can be seen here

- https://www.rollitup.org/t/first-grow-are-they-milky.1001228/

with some more (like a zoomed out view) found here

- https://www.reddit.com/user/cocogrowo/posts/

I'm growing in coco/perlite, a random indica-dominant (supposedly) bagseed and I just started week 8 (day 56 since flipping).
my goal is to go for maximum milky (as little amber as possible overall) which I think means I should chop when I start to see about 5 to 10 percent amber (since that means the average maturity of the rest of the plant should be milky). although I could be wrong. the goal is max thc for this grow though

I've been doing high frequency fertigation (treating the coco like hydro) with multiple feedings (drain to waste) per day (about every 2 hours)
so is this drought stress thing advisable with my current setup? it's cool to do this with coco? do hydro growers do this as well (since I'm treating my grow like hydro)? can hydro growers even do this (it seems like the roots would rot)?

if it's a good idea, when do you think I should start the stressing/drought process

edit - add a canopy photo

 

[Xs121]

this is all new to me so learning these techniques are super interesting. I was recently told that my bag seed plant has about 2 weeks left (maybe 3), and I was curious if you thought I should start this as well. a couple of trichome shots can be seen here

- https://www.rollitup.org/t/first-grow-are-they-milky.1001228/

with some more (like a zoomed out view) found here

- https://www.reddit.com/user/cocogrowo/posts/

I'm growing in coco/perlite, a random indica-dominant (supposedly) bagseed and I just started week 8 (day 56 since flipping).
my goal is to go for maximum milky (as little amber as possible overall) which I think means I should chop when I start to see about 5 to 10 percent amber (since that means the average maturity of the rest of the plant should be milky). although I could be wrong. the goal is max thc for this grow though

I've been doing high frequency fertigation (treating the coco like hydro) with multiple feedings (drain to waste) per day (about every 2 hours)
so is this drought stress thing advisable with my current setup? it's cool to do this with coco? do hydro growers do this as well (since I'm treating my grow like hydro)? can hydro growers even do this (it seems like the roots would rot)?

if it's a good idea, when do you think I should start the stressing/drought process

edit - add a canopy photo

I start stressing my plants close to harvest just to avoid the possibility of hermie.

Close to harvest...for me
1. 70% of pistils have turned brown or receded
2. calyx have swollen (this is really extremely important not only in terms of weight but potency)
3. about 80% cloudy (regardless of clear or amber trichomes total)

Only then I subject the plant to stress

Your plants....

1. yes I see a few amber here and there on the calyxes
2. but you still have lots of white hairs (which mean immature calyxes) and...
3. your calyxes have'nt start swelling yet

So the're probably right in their estimate of 2-3 weeks. As to amber vs clear trichomes, I wont put too much weight on those since the plant will always produce new(clear) trichomes. I'll go with percentages of cloudy trichomes regardless of clear trichomes.

Just keep an eye on your plants development

 

[InThEwOoDs]

think of the plant like a solar powerd car if you break all the solar panels your car isnt gonna move very far is it, cutting alot of your leaves off wont do any good



edit: oh and here are some words from some one much more experienced

The tried and true Three-a-Light method begs the differ.