Why are so many new growers choosing blurple/led over hps/mh??

[OldMedUser]

I am in the opposite position. Need more heat for the winter

I even need more heat in the summer as it's pretty cool down in my basement grow room. It only got to 64F at the highest in the summer so if my exhaust fan ran all the time it would be too cool in the room. The fan is on a heat/rh controller and unless I'm running 1000W of HID it rarely comes on which means I get little air exchange so I made an alcohol lamp to keep the CO2 levels up then I don't care if the fan cycles at all. I have a heater on a thermostat too so with low heat lights like LEDs then I'll just use more power running the heater and heaters don't help the plants grow like lights do so it's a waste.

I have a 600W HPS going atm and the fan is only kicking in once an hour with the basement at 55F. The room is well insulated but mainly concrete underground so the two outside walls and floor are always cool. The RH switch is set to 60% and never causes the fan to cycle as RH is very low here. It's a real balancing act to keep conditions just right.

 

[Ryante55]

It has way more actual watts than most other burples, double what kingbo etc have in their similar watt models. Again he was a beginner, i don't think he knew what he was doing, so he asked online and was told to get that. Which is my only point. its because people don't know better.

Someone like me probably told him not to get it and he ignored them. People only hear what they want to it happens all the time. Someone makes a thread "what led should I buy" 10 people suggest good lights/options that are expensive 1 shill shows up an says buy this 10 million watt LED for $100 and they just listen to the one guy and ignore the 10 other people with experience.

 

[Kingrow1]

Hps too hot my fucking ass, learn to grow.

Always some sales hype broshite being perpetuated by those who bought into the last hype.

Theres hps growers smashing it yet and if hps is too hot how is more light colder....

Years of this bs no wonder blurples get such good attention from new growers as they cant be arsed with overpriced unfriendly hyped us snake oil thats more toxic than ebola

 

[Ryante55]

Hps too hot my fucking ass, learn to grow.

Always some sales hype broshite being perpetuated by those who bought into the last hype.

Theres hps growers smashing it yet and if hps is too hot how is more light colder....

Years of this bs no wonder blurples get such good attention from new growers as they cant be arsed with overpriced unfriendly hyped us snake oil thats more toxic than ebola

Does hps kill brain cells? It sure seems like it does

 

[Boatguy]

I even need more heat in the summer as it's pretty cool down in my basement grow room. It only got to 64F at the highest in the summer so if my exhaust fan ran all the time it would be too cool in the room.

I hear you there... My basement temps are the same.
Lights out is a problem especially when the stink requires fan on at all times.

 

[rustyshaclkferd]

No one can get that 4 months of wasted time back growing under a blurple they thought was 1000w.

There is that...dont take me the wrong way. Im not condoning the predetory and misleading marketing..just people tend to do what they want in spite of reality...

 

[DustyDuke]

I choose HID lighting because I have no technical abilities and I need something to illuminate a 5x5. I can keep a few spare ballasts and bulbs and be guaranteed to keep my grow running. If an LED craps out, Idhave to mail it back for repair.

I’ve considered LED multiple times, and it seems like the technology is changing too fast for me. I looked at blurple, but then people were talking about cobs so I waited. Now they’ve moved on to quantum boards. It’s all very intimidating.

if I had to buy a light today, I’d look at this one for long term use. Im sure that it can be built for a lot less by someone who knows what they’re doing.

NextLight Mega LED Grow Light

Part of the Commercial Series the NextLight Mega produces a high intensity full spectrum light designed to efficiently replace any DE 1000w HPS on the market. This bright white LED grow light was named “Mega” not for its size but for the increased product

nextlight.com

I’m full led now I have kept my hid as back up.

 

[Kingrow1]

Does hps kill brain cells? It sure seems like it does

If you put your head within a few inches for a few mins...

Why do leds grow 40% more yeild than hps and cmh...

!

 

[Boatguy]

Why do leds grow 40% more yeild than hps and cmh...

I dont think that is accurate. Love my light but it isnt that different.
Grams per square foot is a comparison i would love to see.

 

[DankNoTill]

Hps too hot my fucking ass, learn to grow.

Always some sales hype broshite being perpetuated by those who bought into the last hype.

Theres hps growers smashing it yet and if hps is too hot how is more light colder....

Years of this bs no wonder blurples get such good attention from new growers as they cant be arsed with overpriced unfriendly hyped us snake oil thats more toxic than ebola

Neither are "hotter", anybody saying that doesn't know shit about btu's... Watt for watt they are the same. The only difference is that hps adds to leaf temperature due to the ir it gives off which is actually
considerable depending on your situation.

I dont think that is accurate. Love my light but it isnt that different.
Grams per square foot is a comparison i would love to see.

This is another thing nobody keeps in mind, hps = one point light source while a properly built diy led holds 1.5k-2k diodes spread out allowing for diffusion of light which is what actually increases canopy penetration and gives even par across the board.

 

[Boatguy]

Neither are "hotter", anybody saying that doesn't know shit about btu's... Watt for watt they are the same. The only difference is that hps adds to leaf temperature due to the ir it gives off which is actually considerable depending on your situation.

Not true. Good led produces more light per watt of energy used.
That would be why it is more efficient... much like a cmh/lec vs hps/mh

 

[DankNoTill]

Not true. Good led produces more light per watt of energy used.
That would be why it is more efficient... much like a cmh/lec vs hps/mh

What is not true? I'm fully aware of why led is more efficient lol. When I said watt for watt I meant the heat that is produced is the same. That is how btu's work.

 

[sandman83]

I'm gonna keep using both as watching my frosty buds . Love the light spread from the LEDs but I can't maintain that high temp in my room to optimize using just them. Never had the spare bulbs or ballasts before, I'm even considering tossing the MH back in for the last 2 weeks.

 

[Boatguy]

What is not true? I'm fully aware of why led is more efficient lol. When I said watt for watt I meant the heat that is produced is the same. That is how btu's work.

That i agree with.
Sounded as though you were saying otherwise. 200w draw will produce similar heat.

 

[.Smoke]

I'm gonna keep using both as watching my frosty buds . Love the light spread from the LEDs but I can't maintain that high temp in my room to optimize using just them. Never had the spare bulbs or ballasts before, I'm even considering tossing the MH back in for the last 2 weeks.

That's something else I've been wondering too.

A lot of people say they use LED because of the heat issue with HPS. But from my understanding, don't you have to run your room around mid 80s F to get best results from LEDs anyway??

 

[Boatguy]

Watt for watt they are the same. The only difference is that hps adds to leaf temperature due to the ir it gives off which is actually
considerable depending on your situation.

This is what i was commenting on. Watt for watt they arent the same.

 

[Wastei]

Because they think it's better than HPS because of the newer led technology. It all comes down to cost in the long run. You have positive things about both. HPS/MH produces more heat and higher PAR output. LEDs are easier to install, produces less heat and are easier to work with. Lighter, cooler and smaller size.

I've run both. I don't like the thing that plants grown under Blurpees require more magnesium than HPS/MH. My next setup will probably be a mix of LEDs and CMH DE.

 

[Kingrow1]

The leaf wants the ir from hos its partly how they work, google how much ir is in the suns spectrum.

Weve all been over this with leds and they still falsify biology also spectrum which has been their problem since blurpos.

4 x 250w hps spreads much better than leds of 1000w - its really down to the grower what he wants but the hype is ridiculous and the efficiency drawn from failed spectrum all over which is simply why were not seeing this mega hype in yeilds.

End game for leds they havent proven shit and piss everyone else off.

This thread would have been better in the led sub not here as too many are that good with hps the hype simply wont syack up.

Still waiting for that 40% extra yeild - ya'know no one would run anything else if that old chestnut were true

Neither are "hotter", anybody saying that doesn't know shit about btu's... Watt for watt they are the same. The only difference is that hps adds to leaf temperature due to the ir it gives off which is actually
considerable depending on your situation.




This is another thing nobody keeps in mind, hps = one point light source while a properly built diy led holds 1.5k-2k diodes spread out allowing for diffusion of light which is what actually increases canopy penetration and gives even par across the board.

 

[DankNoTill]

This is what i was commenting on. Watt for watt they arent the same.

For sure, I'm only speaking on the heat that is produced from the wattage. Undeniably led is more efficient than hps watt for watt.

 

[DankNoTill]

The leaf wants the ir from hos its partly how they work, google how much ir is in the suns spectrum.

Weve all been over this with leds and they still falsify biology also spectrum which has been their problem since blurpos.

4 x 250w hps spreads much better than leds of 1000w - its really down to the grower what he wants but the hype is ridiculous and the efficiency drawn from failed spectrum all over which is simply why were not seeing this mega hype in yeilds.

End game for leds they havent proven shit and piss everyone else off.

This thread would have been better in the led sub not here as too many are that good with hps the hype simply wont syack up.

Still waiting for that 40% extra yeild - ya'know no one would run anything else if that old chestnut were true

Did you just say the leaf wants the ir lol? Do you realize ir isn't photosynthetically active?