Strains without branches, how do you grow them

[boybelue]

that is an actual polyploid plant....i've never seen a real one before. whirled phylotaxy is the closest i've ever seen, although many people want to call that polyploid

The plant in the video is not polyploid, I don't know what you would call it, but it's definitely not a trait you would want. Polyploid plants are very appealing as they usually produce three branches but most grow out of it and go back to the two opposing branches or alternating branches. I've never had one remain polyploid but others have and it's very desirable as more branches equal more bud.

 

[boybelue]

i don't hate the strain hunters, but what they did was corrupt a shit load of land races with new genetics, forever losing those pure genetics for the rest of us, while corrupting any beneficial mutations and adaptations those strains had made to themselves before they could be studied and reproduced

I didn't know that, what's the story there? I thought they just took genetics back with them, never bringing genetics to contaminate or hybridise those regions?

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

The plant in the video is not polyploid, I don't know what you would call it, but it's definitely not a trait you would want. Polyploid plants are very appealing as they usually produce three branches but most grow out of it and go back to the two opposing branches or alternating branches. I've never had one remain polyploid but others have and it's very desirable as more branches equal more bud.

https://www.nature.com/scitable/topicpage/polyploidy-1552814/
that is a polyploid....it is not a desirable trait, you do not get more bud, or more branches, you get a lot more leaves, which is never a desirable trait...the buds off of a true poly are at least half leaf.
a polyploid is basically a gamete that wanted to become twins and never separated. in any animal species polyploidy is fatal, usually in the womb. in plants, they may or may not live, but they are not healthy, and usually they and any offspring do not thrive and die off pretty quickly
plants do not become polyploid, and they always remain polyploid if that's what they were..it's a genetic trait, not a thing they grow out of....

 

[Hust17]

I didn't know that, what's the story there? I thought they just took genetics back with them, never bringing genetics to contaminate or hybridise those regions?

Also interested. Would be straight shameful if they did that

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

I didn't know that, what's the story there? I thought they just took genetics back with them, never bringing genetics to contaminate or hybridise those regions?

in more than one of their videos you can see them trading seeds with the locals who are growing the land races they're there to get genetics from. once those new seeds get planted and cross breed with the local land races, those land races are gone, turned into another chucker's mish mash of genetics

https://www.reddit.com/r/promos/comments/1japsw

 

[Hust17]

in more than one of their videos you can see them trading seeds with the locals who are growing the land races they're there to get genetics from. once those new seeds get planted and cross breed with the local land races, those land races are gone, turned into another chucker's mish mash of genetics

Well that’s their choice, they just traded seeds. Pollinating a crop would be what it sounds like you’re insinuating

 

[boybelue]

https://www.nature.com/scitable/topicpage/polyploidy-1552814/
that is a polyploid....it is not a desirable trait, you do not get more bud, or more branches, you get a lot more leaves, which is never a desirable trait...the buds off of a true poly are at least half leaf.
a polyploid is basically a gamete that wanted to become twins and never separated. in any animal species polyploidy is fatal, usually in the womb. in plants, they may or may not live, but they are not healthy, and usually they and any offspring do not thrive and die off pretty quickly
plants do not become polyploid, and they always remain polyploid if that's what they were..it's a genetic trait, not a thing they grow out of....

I'll have to agree to disagree, I've had several plants that had three fan leaves per node that developed three branches per node that grew and flowered normally but evetually returned back to the normal opposing branches. Would you say that plant was not polyploid?

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

Well that’s their choice, they just traded seeds. Pollinating a crop would be what it sounds like you’re insinuating

they just traded seeds that will cause the end of those strains, except for the samples that they just happen to have conveniently obtained just before the entire strain became compromised...how fortuitous for franco.....and his wallet...

 

[boybelue]

in more than one of their videos you can see them trading seeds with the locals who are growing the land races they're there to get genetics from. once those new seeds get planted and cross breed with the local land races, those land races are gone, turned into another chucker's mish mash of genetics

https://www.reddit.com/r/promos/comments/1japsw

those local farmers know what's up, they've kept those landrace pure for longer than you can imagine. You think they've never had different seed before. I don't think your giving them enough credit.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

I'll have to agree to disagree, I've had several plants that had three fan leaves per node that developed three branches per node that grew and flowered normally but evetually returned back to the normal opposing branches. Would you say that plant was not polyploid?

yes, i would say those are not polyploids....polyploidy is a GENETIC condition....genetic conditions do NOT reverse themselves...they cannot....
you have plants with whirled phylotaxy. check out this thread
https://www.rollitup.org/t/whorled-phyllotaxy-stash-or-trash.928976/

just look at this google search page, the images especially...
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=cannabis+whirled+phylotaxy

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

those local farmers know what's up, they've kept those landrace pure for longer than you can imagine. You think they've never had different seed before. I don't think your giving them enough credit.

American farmers, farmers in most developed countries, really, have allowed themselves to be manipulated by companies like monsanto into a situation where their crops can be destroyed if the company finds their registered genetics in your field...and you expect farmers in isolated areas, who don't have to deal with sophisticated companies and lawyers legal agreements to be any more sophisticated?

 

[Hust17]

American farmers, farmers in most developed countries, really, have allowed themselves to be manipulated by companies like monsanto into a situation where their crops can be destroyed if the company finds their registered genetics in your field...and you expect farmers in isolated areas, who don't have to deal with sophisticated companies and lawyers legal agreements to be any more sophisticated?

So... you think Strain Hunters is going to sue for rights? What are you on about?

You think these growers are so inept they don’t know what outside seeds would do? Jesus Christ.

 

[boybelue]

I give up! Lol

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

So... you think Strain Hunters is going to sue for rights? What are you on about?

You think these growers are so inept they don’t know what outside seeds would do? Jesus Christ.

ok, support someone who is destroying irreplaceable genetics.
they don't have to sue...all they have to do is pollute the gene pool, and they don't have any competition, the strain no longer exists, outside of their samples. and all it takes is one grower to take the seeds and grow them out, now that pollen is in the area, and everything grown in that area is now corrupted, and the corruption grows every year, until in a few years, the "local strain" is now a mish mash of inside and outside genetics, and the original strain is forever lost....except for the samples these guys just happened to isolate before the outside influence forever wiped out those genetics in the wild.....

 

[Hust17]

ok, support someone who is destroying irreplaceable genetics.
they don't have to sue...all they have to do is pollute the gene pool, and they don't have any competition, the strain no longer exists, outside of their samples. and all it takes is one grower to take the seeds and grow them out, now that pollen is in the area, and everything grown in that area is now corrupted, and the corruption grows every year, until in a few years, the "local strain" is now a mish mash of inside and outside genetics, and the original strain is forever lost....except for the samples these guys just happened to isolate before the outside influence forever wiped out those genetics in the wild.....

Cool story bro

 

[boybelue]

ok, support someone who is destroying irreplaceable genetics.
they don't have to sue...all they have to do is pollute the gene pool, and they don't have any competition, the strain no longer exists, outside of their samples. and all it takes is one grower to take the seeds and grow them out, now that pollen is in the area, and everything grown in that area is now corrupted, and the corruption grows every year, until in a few years, the "local strain" is now a mish mash of inside and outside genetics, and the original strain is forever lost....except for the samples these guys just happened to isolate before the outside influence forever wiped out those genetics in the wild.....

So you think these farmers that have preserved these landraces for yrs and yrs are so stupid that they will flower males of different genetics and contaminate the landraces they've worked so hard to preserve. Give me a break! Come on dude

 

[boybelue]

Those farmers are not idiots man. I guarantee you they've been doing this longer than you, and me put together probably. It's there whole life, it's all they got. I think they're a whole lot more educated than your giving them credit. I mean if you know what's at stake im positive they do too.

 

[Greennner]

you probably just have a strain that has strong apical dominance. you have to top them, sometimes more than once, to get them to branch at all. if you start early, and top each branch that you do get, they'll bush out. they load the growth tip up with hormones that make them want to keep growing. you have to get them to redistribute those hormones throughout the plant. watch closely, and if it tries to put out a new tip right where you topped it, take it off. may have to do it a couple of times.

Ok, so topping and when it Shows new growth
Punch or cut the new growth off again(multible times(maybe 3 Times) the same Spot? Did i get it right?)

How much time do you think is needed for vegi that way
(From Rooted clones to start flower )
I have 1m2, right now 24× 6,5l pots with hydroton
I like hydroton or rockwool(seems nice)

 

[boybelue]

Ok, so topping and when it Shows new growth
Punch or cut the new growth off again(multible times(maybe 3 Times) the same Spot? Did i get it right?)

How much time do you think is needed for vegi that way
(From Rooted clones to start flower )
I have 1m2, right now 24× 6,5l pots with hydroton
I like hydroton or rockwool(seems nice)

I haven't seen your plants but if they have the flat stalk with no branches just fan leaves or sucker leaves with the petioles very vertical and sporadically placed around the stalk then it want do no good to top. I've had about ten of these plants and they ain't worth messing with.

 

[Greennner]

I haven't seen your plants but if they have the flat stalk with no branches just fan leaves or sucker leaves with the petioles very vertical and sporadically placed around the stalk then it want do no good to top. I've had about ten of these plants and they ain't worth messing with.

No, they are not flat top.
You can seem them in the mid of page 1 , i postet 3 pics