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Kushash

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Caught a picture of my worms today. It has been 14 months since I started my worm factory 360 with a pound of red wigglers. I'm glad they survived the winter lows of about 40 and summer highs of about 95 in my garage. Not going to worry like last winter. In the summer I put in 2 sealed frozen bottles of water each day when the temps got extreme.
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Go go n chill

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Monster cropping is no joke; easily doubles the yield if you have the space to do it.
Ahhhh
Monster cropping, I just did some reading on it. I always thought monster cropping was another word for super cropping. Now I see that isn’t the case. Thank you
Does the clone really turn out more vigorous and bushy?
 

Richard Drysift

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Ahhhh
Monster cropping, I just did some reading on it. I always thought monster cropping was another word for super cropping. Now I see that isn’t the case. Thank you
Does the clone really turn out more vigorous and bushy?
Yes they bush the fuck out when you monster them but training clones can take a lot of time and is slightly less predictable than plants from seed. Clones tend to want to grow as a branch at first; you may need to pinch and top them a few times to induce multiple colas.
It's actually easier to train them out like this from seed; I just do a real sloppy fim which usually makes like 3, 4, or 5 tops and then pinch (super crop) the shit out of any spaces between nodes i can. The magic really happens in late veg when I gradually reduce the hours of light by an hour per week until they start to show sex. They basically veg and bloom at the same time at this point. At about a 14/10 cycle the girl and boy flowers are clearly forming. Boys are then culled. The plants are repotted into 10gal containers and the cycle goes back to 18/6 for 2-3 weeks. Once they bush the fuck out they are then finally flipped to 12/12 for a full 10 week bloom.
You don't have to do it this way. You can abruptly flip back and forth between bloom and veg cycles (18/6 to 12/12 and back again) but doing it gradually helps reduce stretching.
 

Go go n chill

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Yes they bush the fuck out when you monster them but training clones can take a lot of time and is slightly less predictable than plants from seed. Clones tend to want to grow as a branch at first; you may need to pinch and top them a few times to induce multiple colas.
It's actually easier to train them out like this from seed; I just do a real sloppy fim which usually makes like 3, 4, or 5 tops and then pinch (super crop) the shit out of any spaces between nodes i can. The magic really happens in late veg when I gradually reduce the hours of light by an hour per week until they start to show sex. They basically veg and bloom at the same time at this point. At about a 14/10 cycle the girl and boy flowers are clearly forming. Boys are then culled. The plants are repotted into 10gal containers and the cycle goes back to 18/6 for 2-3 weeks. Once they bush the fuck out they are then finally flipped to 12/12 for a full 10 week bloom.
You don't have to do it this way. You can abruptly flip back and forth between bloom and veg cycles (18/6 to 12/12 and back again) but doing it gradually helps reduce stretching.
Where do you reduce and add light? The beginning or end of a light cycle? Is it called inducing sence? Emma on the right track?
 

OSBuds

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Yes they bush the fuck out when you monster them but training clones can take a lot of time and is slightly less predictable than plants from seed. Clones tend to want to grow as a branch at first; you may need to pinch and top them a few times to induce multiple colas.
It's actually easier to train them out like this from seed; I just do a real sloppy fim which usually makes like 3, 4, or 5 tops and then pinch (super crop) the shit out of any spaces between nodes i can. The magic really happens in late veg when I gradually reduce the hours of light by an hour per week until they start to show sex. They basically veg and bloom at the same time at this point. At about a 14/10 cycle the girl and boy flowers are clearly forming. Boys are then culled. The plants are repotted into 10gal containers and the cycle goes back to 18/6 for 2-3 weeks. Once they bush the fuck out they are then finally flipped to 12/12 for a full 10 week bloom.
You don't have to do it this way. You can abruptly flip back and forth between bloom and veg cycles (18/6 to 12/12 and back again) but doing it gradually helps reduce stretching.
Thank you for posting such great details about MonsterCropping!
 

Richard Drysift

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Where do you reduce and add light? The beginning or end of a light cycle? Is it called inducing sence? Emma on the right track?
Never heard that term before. I wait until they are approaching 1/3 the size they will be in bloom. The plants pictured above were vegged at 18/6 for 6-7 weeks from seed. Then I began resetting the light timer by increasing darkness by an hour each week. After 3 weeks they were at 15/9 and soon started showing their sex. After the boys were given a quick death the timer was reset to 18/6 for 14 days and the plants were then finally introduced to the flowering room set to 12/12.
With clones I do almost the same way but since they are already sexed out and established it's usually more drastic, less gradual, and faster. I might go from 18/6 to 15/9 and then to 13/11 before pulling them back to 18/6 again and I might adjust the light cycle every few days. Depends upon how fast they are growing but clones don't always need as much bulking up as plants from seeds do.
 

Kassiopeija

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Hey Richard, nice thread Ill be following along.
Nice your growing organically with your own soil. Just watering water comes in most handy and prevents alot of maintenance of automated systems.

Thank you for posting such great details about MonsterCropping!
I second that helpful info indeed!
May I ask if you reduce your lightstrength during the reveg? How many days does it usually take for the plant to make a visible transition? When I reveg after harvest its approx. 7 days...

Is it called inducing sence
do you perhaps mean 'senescence'?

Cheers :D
 

Richard Drysift

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No the plants are started/vegged under a t8 and then a small led. Once they get a few nodes on them I go to 5gal pots and they veg under a 400w MH. I never change the intensity just the light cycles. The bloom room is always at 12/12.
Transitioning takes about a week like you say but once they have been transitioned already they seem to sort of pick up where they left off maturity-wise. The flowers develop a bit faster once they are finally back to full 12/12 mode.
 

Go go n chill

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Hey Richard, nice thread Ill be following along.
Nice your growing organically with your own soil. Just watering water comes in most handy and prevents alot of maintenance of automated systems.
Yes! Thanks

I second that helpful info indeed!
May I ask if you reduce your lightstrength during the reveg? How many days does it usually take for the plant to make a visible transition? When I reveg after harvest its approx. 7 days...


do you perhaps mean 'senescence'?

Cheers :D
 

Richard Drysift

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I am currently in the process of final trimming and jarring up all the buds from this harvest. It should be noted that while "monstering" plants can turn out a killer yield there is a down side; lots of popcorn. I've never seen plants this larfy; maybe I should have step harvested them. It's impossible to hit the mark exactly perfect every time. I'm satisfied with the result but maybe I overdid it.
Seems like no matter how you train your plants only the top 7-9" end up as rock hard premium cola buds worthy of curing to perfection. While the popcorn is copiously encrusted with trichome it is better suited for concentrate or edibles.
Another self inflicted wound is that I started too many plants at once. My new clone king cloner kicks serious ass as every cutting rooted 100%. So this lead to overcrowding which resulted in lankier plants than I normally prefer. The next set of plants have already been blooming for a few weeks now. They will yield out nicely but nothing like the plants I just cut down. Stay tuned for fresh pics....
 

Kassiopeija

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I should have step harvested them.
I ve tried that for one time but it didnt work well. I harvested the first 30cm tops and hang that lamp more down but the swelling of the whole plant was stunted.
but maybe I bungled it... or maybe I should think about side lighting...
 

Richard Drysift

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Side lighting is a like must for plants like these. I use a couple UFO style leds and a full spectrum T5 plus UV for this. Even HID lamps only penetrate so deep.
Stepping never really worked for me in perpetuity because the next set of plants are always awaiting the real estate. The goal is to never run outta weed; we get a little bit closer with every run.
 

Richard Drysift

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Trimming has consumed all of my free time but it is finally done; all the good bud is now in jars. The results are in:

8oz of premium cola bud = 226g
4g of who-hash (bubble)
1/2 pound of trims/popcorn

Have no way to gauge the actual weight of all this popcorn/trims so I'm totally guesstimating but it's a 1gal ziplock full as a pillow sack. So total yield is about a pound. Go figure.

448g / 600w = .75g per watt

Not terribly efficient but this was only four plants. Not even adding in the side lighting so its even worse than it seems. 1g per watt remains elusive....

In other news I have identified 2 very different phenotypes from this run of 4 plants. This was BD x CMH. Three plant were very much alike with a strong sweet blueberry aroma and long spear like Christmas tree shaped cola buds. The other appears similar in bud structure but has a less sweet smell; dank like a sour diesel. It's also possible seeds got mixed but I know my Sour D cross fairly well. This is not her. Next up on deck blueberry headband x candy man haze
 
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