Bloom Nutes for all of bloom?

Clumpyoyster

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Mood = grumpy this am. ;)

Flushing only removes excess nutes from the soil/media and if the plants have been overfed during the grow it does absolutely nothing to remove excess salts from the plant tissues. I see a lot more examples of toxic salts buildup, (TSB), than I do of starving plants in these and other forums. Then you get all the 'pros' saying '"pour more CalMag on!" like CalMag is a magic bullet and fixes everything.

It's the long slo-dry curing method that gets you smooth smoking buds. That and not overfeeding all the time.

Debating which nutes to use and whether to flush or not is like flogging a dead horse. Done with that.

:peace:
I slow dry in a tent at 55-60% in the dark with fresh air. I cure for at least two weeks. I do everything to the book.
 

Hydro4life

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How do you figure that. I never said anything about what ppm I run or how often or if I have a proper wet/dry cycle. Not a very informed statement. Listen. Everyone does what they think is best. I like my smoke smooth and tasteful. I get those results the way I do things. I have never given my plants the full dosages by recommendation. Nor should you. Most will be waaay to hot. There’s enough thread in this forum about flushing. If you want go to one of those threads. Here’s day 62 flower you tell me I’m doing things wrong??
There’s more than 1 way to skin a cat.
Yes flushing works, but imagine how good they would look if you lightly fed till chop, then spent longer to dry/cure to get rid of the excess chlorophyll.
2 weeks curing is not enough if you want smooth tasting smoke.
Have a read up on how the tobacco guys dry and cure. We have a lot to learn off those guys in that department!

Yes, flushing will make it taste better and smoother and you don’t have to cure for as long, but your not getting the full potential from your plants that you could be ;)
 

Clumpyoyster

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There’s more than 1 way to skin a cat.
Yes flushing works, but imagine how good they would look if you lightly fed till chop, then spent longer to dry/cure to get rid of the excess chlorophyll.
2 weeks curing is not enough if you want smooth tasting smoke.
Have a read up on how the tobacco guys dry and cure. We have a lot to learn off those guys in that department!

Yes, flushing will make it taste better and smoother and you don’t have to cure for as long, but your not getting the full potential from your plants that you could be ;)
Ok I’m gonna give it a try next run
 

Hydro4life

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And when you should be hitting it with some Sulfur too...to encourage said terpenes.
JD
I usually grow dwc, and find I don’t have to add any extra sulphur. (Fe a different story when using intense lighting and dosing co2) but very rarely that I get sulphur deficiencies. Soil may be a different story?
 

Clumpyoyster

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There’s more than 1 way to skin a cat.
Yes flushing works, but imagine how good they would look if you lightly fed till chop, then spent longer to dry/cure to get rid of the excess chlorophyll.
2 weeks curing is not enough if you want smooth tasting smoke.
Have a read up on how the tobacco guys dry and cure. We have a lot to learn off those guys in that department!

Yes, flushing will make it taste better and smoother and you don’t have to cure for as long, but your not getting the full potential from your plants that you could be ;)
2 weeks is where is becomes OK to smoke. Longer cure is of course gonna taste great. Hence at harvest time you have multiple!e jar fulls of weed and the older jars are gonna taste better then the first jar or three
 

JohnDee

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I usually grow dwc, and find I don’t have to add any extra sulphur. (Fe a different story when using intense lighting and dosing co2) but very rarely that I get sulphur deficiencies. Soil may be a different story?
No no...not deficiencies. It really bumps up the terps. Discovered this years ago using Final Flush. Blasts them with epsom salts at the end. My plants were practically dripping with terps.
JD
 

Hydro4life

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No no...not deficiencies. It really bumps up the terps. Discovered this years ago using Final Flush. Blasts them with epsom salts at the end. My plants were practically dripping with terps.
JD
Ohhh wow! That’s very interesting jd. Is that final flush from Advanced nutrients???
 

jimihendrix1

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Science, and TISSUE ANALYSIS says FLUSHING IS A MYTH. As OldMedUser said, it will not remove excess the plant tissue f its been overfed.

FAKE NEWS.

The people/company I refer to is Hydro Gardens, and they have been making Plant Specific Fertilizers since the 70s, and fert in general since 1964. I will believe them, until someone proves otherwise, WITH TISSUE ANALYSIS.

Its also Fake News to starve weed of Nitrogen in flowering. In reality it needs ever increasing amounts.
All Nitrogen is to a plant is Protein. Humans eat protein, and turn it into Nitrogen. Plants simply bypass this step.

How s it logical when we know a plant is going to grow more than it ever has during flowering????

Its going to in many occasions stretch up to 2-5x its size when first flowered. If you were working out, and trying to GROW, would you reduce Protein/Nitrogen???

Add on to it building BUDS, terpenes, metabolism. And people say to limit Nitrogen?? Its ALL about balance. Feed to much Nitrogen, and YOU WILL RETARD FLOWERING. Don't give enough, and the plant will go into Negative Nitrogen Balance. When you workout, it is crucially important to stay in POSITIVE NITROGEN BALANCE, OR WE GO CATABOLIC, WHEN WE WANT TO STAY ANABOLIC. Catabolic means you are using yourself for energy, which is exactly what you do not want to do.

We all know what Protein means in Latin??? OF FIRST IMPORTANCE.. Protein is responsible for cell division, immune system, growth, repair, and normal maintenance

Also Mg/Sulfur are crucially important. Tissue analysis also say weed needs a Mg/Sulfur boost in weeks 5-6 in an 8 weeks flowering strain. Some strains also like extra Iron throughout, but is not the rule.

Tissue analysis says an 8 weeks flowering strain needs a MPK - 0-52-34 from weeks 2.5-4.

Tissue analysis also says weed likes basically the same ratio of Phosphorus, as it does Nitrogen, and TA also says weed like 2x the amount of Potassium vs Nitrogen.

They should be fed a basic supplement throughout, with extra MPK, and Mg/Sulfur, as stated above. PPM should be reduced in weeks 7-8 to around 60% strength.

Tissue analysis says weed likes a 19.5-20-39 ratio, and then its up to you to determine PPM.

I/we use Chem Gro, and Promix BX, and you have to be very careful using this stuff in soil, as its made for soilless, but that does not change the fact weed likes the ratios stated regardless of nutrient source.

Chem grow basic formula is 4-20-39.

Then 15.5-0-0/Cacium Nitrate is added to make 19.5-20-39. Epsom Salts is used for Magnesium, and Sulfur.

You can also use 20- 20 - 20 and 0-0- 50/Potassium Sulfate for extra Potassium, and Sulfur. This is what we use outside, but have also had great success using it in containers, but you have to add more eventually as with container growing, if watered alot, will leach the nutrients out of the container after a while. But it doesn't take much

Mg, and Sulfur are critically important throught, but are extra important in weeks 5-6 in an 8 weeks strain, as Sulfur helps with Terpene Production.

I myself like Calcium Nitrate for my source of Calcium, and Nitrogen. 15.5-0-0 vs Cal Mag. I then use Epsom Salts for extra sulfur, and magnesium, after all Epsom Salts magnesium sulfate.
 

Hydro4life

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2 weeks is where is becomes OK to smoke. Longer cure is of course gonna taste great. Hence at harvest time you have multiple!e jar fulls of weed and the older jars are gonna taste better then the first jar or three
Totally agree.
It’s amazing how good the tobacco guys are at curing. I’ve tried some homegrown tobacco before and was soooo harsh!
 

JohnDee

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Ohhh wow! That’s very interesting jd. Is that final flush from Advanced nutrients???
Yes...used to have a different name. I think Final Flush is the name now. Uses chelators to bind stray nutrients so no further absorption.
And epsom salts. Not sayin' that's all that's in there. But now...in coco...I try to cram as much S in as I can to enhance teps and flavors.
JD

Edit: checked it out...now called flawless finish...same stuff. If I were in hydro now...I'd use it.
 

Hydro4life

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Yes...used to have a different name. I think Final Flush is the name now. Uses chelators to bind stray nutrients so no further absorption.
And epsom salts. Not sayin' that's all that's in there. But now...in coco...I try to cram as much S in as I can to enhance teps and flavors.
JD

Edit: checked it out...now called flawless finish...same stuff. If I were in hydro now...I'd use it.
Good info jd.
Nearly bought that product a few times.
Wish I did now.
I’ve just changed to coco as my medium so that’s great news! :D
 
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