The Impeachment Of Donald Trump

[DIY-HP-LED]

Lev strikes again! Lev was a big donor (of Russian money) to Trump and the GOP.
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New Audio Appears to Show Ex-Giuliani Pal Lev Parnas at Dinner With Trump

HARDLY KNEW HIM!
A second audio recording released by Lev Parnas’ attorney purportedly shows the former Giuliani fixer socializing at a 2018 Republican fundraising event.

New Audio Appears to Show Ex-Giuliani Pal Lev Parnas at Dinner With Trump

A second audio recording released by Lev Parnas’ attorney purportedly shows the former Giuliani fixer socializing at a 2018 Republican fundraising event.

www.thedailybeast.com

New audio released Thursday by Lev Parnas’ lawyer Joseph A. Bondy appears to show former Rudy Giuliani associates Parnas and Igor Fruman attending an April 2018 fundraising dinner with President Donald Trump along with former Republican Rep. Pete Sessions.

The recording marks the second substantial release of audio showing Parnas interacting with the president at a fundraising event.

Federal prosecutors in Manhattan charged Parnas in October 2019, alongside his business partners Igor Fruman, David Correia, and Andrey Kukushkin, with conspiring to make illegal campaign contributions on behalf of a foreign donor. Parnas and his associates have all pleaded not guilty.

Trump has downplayed his association with Parnas and told reporters: “I don’t know who this man is.”

The recording contains audio of Trump speaking with donors at his Mar-a-Lago private club in Florida and seeking their support ahead of the 2018 midterm elections. At one point, Trump asked then Republican Congressman Pete Sessions to brief donors on the status of the GOP’s midterm prospects. “We are losing some 40 members of congress who have chosen one way or another to leave,” Sessions said. “That is probably the intrinsic value of why we’re a little worried at this point. We’ve got to get back a little bit of momentum.”

Sessions is widely believed to be the “Congressman One” described in the federal indictment of Parnas and his associates. The charges allege that Parnas and Fruman committed to raise $20,000 for a political action committee’s re-election efforts on Sessions behalf as they sought his assistance in removing then Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch from office. Prosecutors claim the effort was directed and subsidized by an unnamed foreign donor.

Sessions has not been accused of wrongdoing and has said he is cooperating with prosecutors in their investigation of Parnas and his associates.

The recording also contains Trump’s response to Dr. Rim Albezem, a Syrian-American cardiologist and activist opposed to the Assad regime, after she told the president about the sale of oil from U.S.-controlled areas of Syria to the Assad regime.

“We control the area militarily. And you’re saying Assad benefits by it?” Trump asked Albezem. “I’m not surprised.”

“You know we control that area and my guys are always saying ‘Sir, we control it for the oil.’ I say ‘Where’s the money go?’ They have no clue. They’re generals. They’re good fighters but they’re not into money.”

Parnas hired Giuliani, who serves as President Trump’s personal attorney, in 2018 seeking help with a business venture called Fraud Guarantee. Giuliani allegedly later used Parnas as a fixer in Ukraine as the former New York City mayor attempted to dig up compromising information on former Vice President Joe Biden’s son Hunter.

At the end of a video taken at the dinner, Parnas can be seen posing for pictures alongside President Trump offering a large thumbs up. Pictures from the photo opportunity were first tweeted by Bondy in mid-January.
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[UncleBuck]

So now that we've learned that Biden is the one ACTUALLY wielding American foreign policy funds for personal gain and Trump gets to stay, what now?

Perhaps time to focus on getting a candidate elected rather than spending tax money chasing shoe stings.

Went after Trump in 2016, exposed Hillary and Uranium 1. Sank her campaign.
Went after Trump in 2020 exposed Biden and Burisma. Sank his campaign.

Not a good track record. Pot calling the kettle black.

oh look

 

[hanimmal]

@Bugeye It would have been more realistic if you edited the "and soon @rollitup will lock me out" after the post where you edited it to say you got locked out.






Maybe one day you can have an actually intellectually honest discussion without having to pay the bills by pushing Brad Parscales/Putin's propaganda that is designed to get Trump re-eelcted. I think you are obviously intelligent and up to talking about what is going on, if this is truly stuff you believe.

Actually even if you don't actually believe it, because that could be a very interesting conversation to get an insiders information on what is going on and how you get your talking points.

 

[srh88]

 

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In contrast with Trump legal team, Justice Department lawyer says House can impeach over defied subpoenas

Justice Department lawyer says House can impeach over defied subpoenas

A Justice Department lawyer said Thursday in federal court that the House can impeach a president over ignored subpoenas, a noted contrast to what lawyers for President Donald Trump are arguing at his Senate impeachment trial this week.

www.cnn.com

Washington (CNN)A Justice Department lawyer said Thursday in federal court that the House can impeach a president over ignored subpoenas, a noted contrast to what lawyers for President Donald Trump are arguing at his Senate impeachment trial this week.
Asked by a federal judge what the House can do to enforce its subpoenas, Justice Department lawyer James Burnham said without hesitation that the House can use its impeachment powers, among other options, like withholding appropriations.
A few hours later, lead Democratic House manager Adam Schiff mentioned Burnham's assertion during Trump's impeachment trial.
"In the category of you can't make this stuff up," Schiff said on the Senate floor. "The judge says if the Congress can't enforce its subpoenas in court, then what remedy is there? And the Justice Department lawyer's response is impeachment."


Eliciting laughter from the senators, Schiff, a California Democrat, continued, "You can't make this up. I mean, what more evidence do we need of the bad faith of this effort to cover up?"

Trump is fighting charges of abuse of power over his Ukraine dealings, and obstructing Congress for ordering his aides to defy subpoenas. Trump's lawyers say the President was lawfully protecting the executive branch in a dispute with Congress over documents and testimony.
During the court hearing, in response to Burnham's suggestion about impeachment, Judge Randolph Moss responded, "that is really not a great state of affairs for this country," if the House should impeach the President over every subpoena that his administration ignores.
The topic came up in a hearing about the 2020 census. The House Oversight Committee sued the Justice Department and Commerce Department in November, asking a judge to enforce its subpoenas for documents. The case revolves around the controversial and ultimately unsuccessful attempt by the Trump administration to add a citizenship question to the census.
Even though the case isn't about impeachment, the judge's actions could influence other impeachment-related cases, and the arguments several times danced near major issues appearing in the Senate impeachment trial. Several cases on related issues are currently being litigated.
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[hillbill]

Pretty hard to go against more than 75% of the people.
Plenty more impeachable offenses for new articles.

 

[Dr.Amber Trichome]

So what happens if the wittnesses are allowed. What happens if it goes on and on the day of the Democratic debates? Are Bernie, Elizabeth and Amy gonna have to miss a day ? I want him removed but this has to end for the
Presidental Democratic Nominees to get back out into the field. The republicans would go against the trial judges recommendation for witnesses and this will get dragged out and a big ball and chain for the Presidential Democratic candidates will ruin there chances to get out on the campaign trail to get out and try to win. Very problematic .

 

[hillbill]

Coverup and obstruction rubs people the wrong way, real trials have witnesses.

Democrats and other reasonable folks have underestimated the dishonesty and and total disingenuous nature of conservatism in Murica.

Party first for Republicans and The Bathe Party and Communists and Nazis and all other fascist bastards.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

Trump’s Impeachment Lawyers Argue He Can Do Whatever He Wants: A Closer Look

Seth takes a closer look at the president's lawyers going from arguing that there was no quid pro quo to arguing that the president can do literally whatever he wants.

 

[topcat]

Kangaroo Jack (John) Roberts court.

 

[hanimmal]

So what happens if the wittnesses are allowed. What happens if it goes on and on the day of the Democratic debates? Are Bernie, Elizabeth and Amy gonna have to miss a day ? I want him removed but this has to end for the
Presidental Democratic Nominees to get back out into the field. The republicans would go against the trial judges recommendation for witnesses and this will get dragged out and a big ball and chain for the Presidential Democratic candidates will ruin there chances to get out on the campaign trail to get out and try to win. Very problematic .

If the Senate shuts it down it will go back to them on the campaign trail while the House picks it back up (if they do a 2nd impeachment investigation), if they vote in witnesses they will get stuck in DC for about another week.

 

[TacoMac]

Well, it'll be over today. They don't have the votes to get more witnesses so the trial ( and I use that word as loosely as possible) will be over.

Then they'll vote to acquit Trump, and that's that.

The real repercussions from it all will come in November. That is when we'll all find out if our country is gone forever or if Americans will not tolerate the kind of blatant coverup of corruption the GOP has conducted since day one.

The other silver lining of it all is this: there's a reason they didn't add more articles of impeachment. They didn't want anything standing in the way of the SDNY when Trump loses the election.

Trump's troubles are far from over. He'll be spending the rest of his life in court.

 

[captainmorgan]

Impenetrable I tell you.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

I guess the American people, you folks for the most part, who will be the ultimate jury for the removal of Trump and the GOP, the election should be historic and the turn out huge, a bad sign for the republicans. Many who are against Trump will vote democrat right down the ballot from senator to dog catcher and I figure there will be a lot of new and irregular voters out in force in 2020.

The real trial will not be over with a senate impeachment acquittal, but will go on in house investigations, increasingly with teeth and in the press who are doing a great job reporting all this shit. It's a long way to november and the courts will support subpoenas for witnesses and documents, perhaps the SCOTUS chief justice's experiences at the senate trial might even expedite this process. John Roberts sat through the entire case and it was a slam dunk, he won't be happy with the GOP about presiding over a kangaroo court.

You are left with one alternative, vote Trump and those who shield him out of office. It's a fight for the soul of your country, but it's not just a moral question, the constitution, democracy and the rule of law, all are under threat.

 

[TacoMac]

Or just wait for a good stiff breeze to blow it over. Either way...

 

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Sen. Lamar Alexander Makes 'Preposterous' Statement About Impeachment | Morning Joe | MSNBC

Sen. Lamar Alexander, R-Tenn., characterized the president's actions in Ukraine as inappropriate but said the Constitution doesn't grant the Senate a right to remove the president from office for inappropriate actions. The panel discusses. Aired on 1/31/20.

 

[Unclebaldrick]

I guess the American people, you folks for the most part, who will be the ultimate jury for the removal of Trump and the GOP, the election should be historic and the turn out huge, a bad sign for the republicans. Many who are against Trump will vote democrat right down the ballot from senator to dog catcher and I figure there will be a lot of new and irregular voters out in force in 2020.

The real trial will not be over with a senate impeachment acquittal, but will go on in house investigations, increasingly with teeth and in the press who are doing a great job reporting all this shit. It's a long way to november and the courts will support subpoenas for witnesses and documents, perhaps the SCOTUS chief justice's experiences at the senate trial might even expedite this process. John Roberts sat through the entire case and it was a slam dunk, he won't be happy with the GOP about presiding over a kangaroo court.

You are left with one alternative, vote Trump and those who shield him out of office. It's a fight for the soul of your country, but it's not just a moral question, the constitution, democracy and the rule of law, all are under threat.

Keep in mind that this is not about the popular vote. A damn few states are going to decide this. Winning NY, CA and IL by an extra 5% doesn't help one bit.

I am worried about PA lately too. If the Dems nominate a candidate that advocates an immediate and national ban on tracking, it will be very close. We lose PA and Trump wins again.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

Keep in mind that this is not about the popular vote. A damn few states are going to decide this. Winning NY, CA and IL by an extra 5% doesn't help one bit.

I am worried about PA lately too. If the Dems nominate a candidate that advocates an immediate and national ban on tracking, it will be very close. We lose PA and Trump wins again.

Hi Baldrick,
Trump won by 3 states by the slimmest of margins against a poor opponent with a ton of baggage and a Russian disinformation campaign against her. The methods and many of the people who assisted in cheating the 2016 election have been exposed, many of the conduits of Russian money have been choked off. There's also a spring and summer of fun coming up in the house and shit will continue to drop from the sky. The biggest factor will be turn out, if it's massive the democrats will win in a landslide, it also hard to cheat or steal such an election, but they will try!

Trump and the GOP have lost millions of voters since 2016 and I don't think they have picked up much support since then, millions have walked away from the GOP because of Trump and Trumpism. Even Mitch McConnell has an approval rating of less than 30% in TN and might have a rough ride in 2020. Donald ain't done fucking up and fucking America yet and they will be along for the ride now.

 

[Fogdog]

Hi Baldrick,
Trump won by 3 states by the slimmest of margins against a poor opponent with a ton of baggage and a Russian disinformation campaign against her. The methods and many of the people who assisted in cheating the 2016 election have been exposed, many of the conduits of Russian money have been choked off. There's also a spring and summer of fun coming up in the house and shit will continue to drop from the sky. The biggest factor will be turn out, if it's massive the democrats will win in a landslide, it also hard to cheat or steal such an election, but they will try!

Trump and the GOP have lost millions of voters since 2016 and I don't think they have picked up much support since then, millions have walked away from the GOP because of Trump and Trumpism. Even Mitch McConnell has an approval rating of less than 30% in TN and might have a rough ride in 2020. Donald ain't done fucking up and fucking America yet and they will be along for the ride now.

Don't you think that a lot depends on who runs against Trump in 2020? Older, whiter and more conservative people tend to vote in disproportionately larger numbers, which skews elections away from what the typical poll indicates.

An example of how an election can be fumbled is shown in the UK, where Brexit was not a popular policy. Corbyn, the leader of the largest anti-Brexit party ran on socialist policies that were not popular at all while soft-pedaling his opposition to Brexit. His party was rejected by its electorate. Result was, the unpopular conservative parties won and UK's fascists got their Brexit.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

Don't you think that a lot depends on who runs against Trump in 2020? Older, whiter and more conservative people tend to vote in disproportionately larger numbers, which skews elections away from what the typical poll indicates.

An example of how an election can be fumbled is shown in the UK, where Brexit was not a popular policy. Corbyn, the leader of the largest anti-Brexit party ran on a strongly socialist platform that was not popular at all. His party was rejected by its electorate. So, the unpopular conservative parties won and UK's fascists got their Brexit.

In principle I agree, though the Brexit is not a good comparison, people under 35 support Sanders overwhelmingly (change) and those 35 and older are overwhelmly for Biden (a return to normalcy). Biden might be more acceptable to a broader spectrum of voters and even cut into the Trump vote of old white farts. Everybody is highly motivated to get rid of Trump and will fall in line behind the democratic nominee, IMHO Biden would win by a larger margin and have the longest down ballot coattails. Biden is the safe bet, Bernie not so much, both could beat Trump but the right running mate is important to both of these seniors and the country.

The election is state by state and I figure old Joe could win more of them than Bernie, so does Trump (not saying much).

If Joe won, he knows where the levers of power are and how to use them against Trump if there was trouble after the election, Joe knows how to fight for power too, he has experience.