Bernie Sanders 2020

Dr.Amber Trichome

Well-Known Member
Bernie has a track record of NOT working well with others in the senate. We have seen through the impeachment trial just how difficult it is to work with the Republikkkans and as much as some people would like to see them go away the reality is they are not going anywhere. So who can work the best with the republikkans ? Who has the track record ? Well Amy certainly is quite convincingly and she did an excellent job communicating that at the debate last night. Elizabeth does well. Biden does well. Buttigieg appears calm and cool and very thoughtful and Very might be able to do this...Sanders is all smoke and mirrors. He has a dictator like appeal and cleverly uses the word free to appeal to his followers like he will save them . I see his plans as completely destructive . Colleges are too expensive but they need salary capping and financial oversite along with hospitals. Too many overpaid managers and CEOs . To completely dismantle these institutions will completely destroy our economy. His ideas are unrealistic and a fucking pipe dream. He will not get anything he is promising passed . The young are easily manipulated by him. He is living in an alternative reality.
 

schuylaar

Well-Known Member
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Thanks for standing up for truth. Sometimes I feel all alone like my vote won't get counted. If you ever heard him speak you will know how powerful his message is. I can't wait till he gets to my town so I can hear him. He talks as proud as JFK ever did.

Sorry to bump again but one year off.
we've been waiting..

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you're far from alone.
 

schuylaar

Well-Known Member
Bernie has a track record of NOT working well with others in the senate. We have seen through the impeachment trial just how difficult it is to work with the Republikkkans and as much as some people would like to see them go away the reality is they are not going anywhere. So who can work the best with the republikkans ? Who has the track record ? Well Amy certainly is quite convincingly and she did an excellent job communicating that at the debate last night. Elizabeth does well. Biden does well. Buttigieg appears calm and cool and very thoughtful and Very might be able to do this...Sanders is all smoke and mirrors. He has a dictator like appeal and cleverly uses the word free to appeal to his followers like he will save them . I see his plans as completely destructive . Colleges are too expensive but they need salary capping and financial oversite along with hospitals. Too many overpaid managers and CEOs . To completely dismantle these institutions will completely destroy our economy. His ideas are unrealistic and a fucking pipe dream. He will not get anything he is promising passed . The young are easily manipulated by him. He is living in an alternative reality.
cite it.
 

schuylaar

Well-Known Member
Bill Clinton was fourth in Iowa in 1992. Bernie had less PoC support in 2016 than Buttigieg has now and Iowa is 90% white. If Bernie is losing white support, he's fucking toast, that's almost all of his base.
in that case, thank god he has more than whites supporting him..Nevada and SC, here we come; take a good look, these are the faces of the future and Sanders is the only one speaking to them!

these kids aren't us- they're going to vote..and it will be for democratic socialism, the 'inclusion' wing of the party..they all received a trophy for participation in contest (and people laughed at this principle wondering what it would teach them if 'everyone is a winner') they like it that way..one of inclusion.

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schuylaar

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But will they give Bernie the House and a super majority in the Senate to actually be able to do anything?

That is what I am most afraid of, there is a reason why the Russians are pushing for Bernie:
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fear; they're betting on this; stop trying to second guess Putin- put your balls back on and take a stand, for gods sake.
 
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hanimmal

Well-Known Member
they're betting on this- put your balls back on and take a stand, for gods sake.
Are you finally admitting that the Russians are and have been pushing for Bernie to create this divide?

And your little dig is weak because I have been here taking my stand, and don't need to try to tear down people to do it.
 

schuylaar

Well-Known Member
I don't think Biden is corrupt or racist, I'm just worried about his ability to get people out to vote. And yes I'm absolutely worried Bernie could be a bust too. I feel like he has the most enthusiasm but if it becomes evident that he will push away many people in our own party then that will fuck everyone. I'm worried the democratic party is already split.
WTF are you talking bout Willis?
 

Fogdog

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Nobody likes him and he hasn't done anything.

James Carville rips Bernie's Bros a new asshole:

Democrats ran on tangible issues like reducing cost of prescription drugs, protecting kids from the NRA's cult, expanding civil rights, unions and working together to defeat Trump.

Bernie's divisive extremism isn't how Democrats gained the power to impeach Trump for abuse of power and stopped Republican legislation in its tracks. Democrats should re-visit the 2018 playbook that showed Democratic values can win in conservative districts.


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What’s the answer?

James Carville
By framing, repeating, and delivering a coherent, meaningful message that is relevant to people’s lives and having the political skill not to be sucked into every rabbit hole that somebody puts in front of you.

The Democratic Party is the party of African Americans. It’s becoming a party of educated suburbanites, particularly women. It’s the party of Latinos. We’re a party of immigrants. Most of the people aren’t into all this distracting shit about open borders and letting prisoners vote. They don’t care. They have lives to lead. They have kids. They have parents that are sick. That’s what we have to talk about. That’s all we should talk about.

It’s not that this stuff doesn’t matter. And it’s not that we shouldn’t talk about race. We have to talk about race. It’s about how you deliver and frame the message. I thought Cory Booker’s “baby bonds” plan was great and the kind of thing the party could connect to people’s actual lives.

We have one moral imperative here, and that’s beating Trump. Nothing else matters.
 
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Fogdog

Well-Known Member
on a good day, my dog likes me:lol:

because I asked for proof of your claim?- get used to it..Snap back to reality, oh there goes gravity! and that requires truth, facts and backing them up.
says the citation queen. LOL

Truth and facts, much less backing them up are a mystery to you. While we are discussing your weird theories, post some facts to support your theory that opinion polls are done to suppress voter participation.
 

USMCgreen

Member
IMPO, voting for anyone that has spent their entire adult life in public office or DC who is calling DC or our federal government as being broken while having done very little over that lifetime to fix what is broken while at the same time readily contributing to the corruption and cesspool that is DC and now wants to be elected President to fix said broken corrupt system like the President is a dictatorial all powerful position no matter what Party D or R is like committing suicide cause you keep getting a cold while standing in the rain with no jacket in 40 degree weather, it makes no effing sense. First and foremost, anyone who keeps voting for D and R expecting a change to happen is down right ignorant. The Duopoly has done absolutely nothing to advance the betterment of the American people over the last 100 years. They have, while dividing by race, class, sex, creed, etc. both taken our freedoms and liberties under the guise of safety and security while slowly and systematically destroying what made the UNITED STATES of America great, liberty to make the choices that you saw fit to better yourself and fail and try again. This notion that free everything will make anyone’s life better is laughable because history shows the exact opposite. When there is no incentive to succeed and everyone receives the exact same poverty, which is what you get under any collective ideological political system, then what you end up with, in all cases, is an Oligarchy of elites that control the wealth and the rest of us classless poor who will never even have a chance to attempt to better our lives because it threatens the Oligarchy and their control. Then you end up with revolution or rebellion which in turn ends with millions dead and more power to the Oligarchy. There are two governing systems in the world, a Republic, what we used to be, and an Oligarchy. If you are not a well defined Republic then you always end with an Oligarchy. Every system besides a well defined Republican form of government protected through contractual agreement with the people leads to an Oligarchy, where the chosen and elites control all that is, including your life. It is sad that, as a society, we are too ignorant to see the sheep we have become to a duopoly of wolves controlling our entire government from top to bottom and keep allowing ourselves to be conquered and controlled through the most basic of tactics, divide and conquer. Sun Tsu would be very proud of the way the Duopoly has systematically destroyed our Republic in favor of the Oligarchy through tactics such as the Overton Window technique where they each push our system to an extreme until society screams. Then they step back a notch or two, never back to where they started, and society is happy because it isn’t the extreme, but it also isn’t the previous normalcy. We have, through education, been made ignorant and complacent to this entire process. So much so that very few even see it happening on a 100% daily basis. Do any of you actually believe that DC gives two craps about your individual well-being or your safety? The readily militarize our local police force while overturning State’s Supreme Court rulings upholding our individual rights and liberties in favor of allowing all Law Enforcement carte blanche to search, seize, rape, murder, and plunder WE the people while at the same time saying things like, Those that oppose draconian policies only do so cause they have something to hide and if they don’t have anything to hide then they have nothing to fear from these policies. Every single person on this thread, if you actually read to this point, most won’t, should agree that my life is my life as your life is your own and nobody, outside of actual harm caused to another human being and having been rightly convicted through due process and a jury of their peers, should be forced to live a life based upon someone else’s beliefs. Especially seeing as how the Duopoly is the reason we have to fight and hide in the shadows in order to grow a plant and when they do finally come around to legalization or medicinal use they put so many stipulations and regulations on it’s cultivation and use that it merely resembles being free. When in all actuality you are still begging the Oligarchy for the ability to do something that has not, the use of itself, actually killed people to the extent of other “legal” substances. Even in the states where it is “legal,” according to the powers that be, you still have millions locked up for Cannabis related crimes. How can this be so? Cause it is only legal, it is not decriminalized, and those that broke the prior laws have very little legal standing to have their sentences commuted and their individual liberties restored. History is a wonderful thing to look back on and learn from. The number one murderer of people in the world over the entirety of History has been the governments and officials that swore to protect and defend us lowly people from each other and ourselves. The same people who put out ads like Bernie Sanders or any politician telling us how wonderful life will be once everything is free, nothing is free, and we all have the same education level, house, car, etc. The problem with that system is eventually you run out of other people’s money to steal. We are seeing it all over the world, Argentina, Africa, the Middle East, South East Asia, even here. Once those that do not produce out number those that produce it falls apart quickly and WE the people are the first to starve, be shot, etc. by those same “leaders” who swore to protect and defend us while they sit in their lap of luxury still stealing our livelihoods while still feeding us propaganda to placate our sensibilities and calm our animal instincts of survival. Look around you, the signs are everywhere and the history is all there for us to read, yet we are still ignorant to it. I guess relinquishing your personal responsibility over yourself for a false sense of security is also part of the animalistic nature of the human psyche. The wonderful experiment that was the UNITED STATES of America on whether man could rule himself has showed, to a fault, that as a whole society and man beg to be ruled and controlled by some false prophet or political leader whose only agenda is self aggrandizement. I wish us all luck for the future and our children’s futures. They will really be the ones to suffer for our ignorance.
 

Fogdog

Well-Known Member
IMPO, voting for anyone that has spent their entire adult life in public office or DC who is calling DC or our federal government as being broken while having done very little over that lifetime to fix what is broken while at the same time readily contributing to the corruption and cesspool that is DC and now wants to be elected President to fix said broken corrupt system like the President is a dictatorial all powerful position no matter what Party D or R is like committing suicide cause you keep getting a cold while standing in the rain with no jacket in 40 degree weather, it makes no effing sense. First and foremost, anyone who keeps voting for D and R expecting a change to happen is down right ignorant. The Duopoly has done absolutely nothing to advance the betterment of the American people over the last 100 years. They have, while dividing by race, class, sex, creed, etc. both taken our freedoms and liberties under the guise of safety and security while slowly and systematically destroying what made the UNITED STATES of America great, liberty to make the choices that you saw fit to better yourself and fail and try again. This notion that free everything will make anyone’s life better is laughable because history shows the exact opposite. When there is no incentive to succeed and everyone receives the exact same poverty, which is what you get under any collective ideological political system, then what you end up with, in all cases, is an Oligarchy of elites that control the wealth and the rest of us classless poor who will never even have a chance to attempt to better our lives because it threatens the Oligarchy and their control. Then you end up with revolution or rebellion which in turn ends with millions dead and more power to the Oligarchy. There are two governing systems in the world, a Republic, what we used to be, and an Oligarchy. If you are not a well defined Republic then you always end with an Oligarchy. Every system besides a well defined Republican form of government protected through contractual agreement with the people leads to an Oligarchy, where the chosen and elites control all that is, including your life. It is sad that, as a society, we are too ignorant to see the sheep we have become to a duopoly of wolves controlling our entire government from top to bottom and keep allowing ourselves to be conquered and controlled through the most basic of tactics, divide and conquer. Sun Tsu would be very proud of the way the Duopoly has systematically destroyed our Republic in favor of the Oligarchy through tactics such as the Overton Window technique where they each push our system to an extreme until society screams. Then they step back a notch or two, never back to where they started, and society is happy because it isn’t the extreme, but it also isn’t the previous normalcy. We have, through education, been made ignorant and complacent to this entire process. So much so that very few even see it happening on a 100% daily basis. Do any of you actually believe that DC gives two craps about your individual well-being or your safety? The readily militarize our local police force while overturning State’s Supreme Court rulings upholding our individual rights and liberties in favor of allowing all Law Enforcement carte blanche to search, seize, rape, murder, and plunder WE the people while at the same time saying things like, Those that oppose draconian policies only do so cause they have something to hide and if they don’t have anything to hide then they have nothing to fear from these policies. Every single person on this thread, if you actually read to this point, most won’t, should agree that my life is my life as your life is your own and nobody, outside of actual harm caused to another human being and having been rightly convicted through due process and a jury of their peers, should be forced to live a life based upon someone else’s beliefs. Especially seeing as how the Duopoly is the reason we have to fight and hide in the shadows in order to grow a plant and when they do finally come around to legalization or medicinal use they put so many stipulations and regulations on it’s cultivation and use that it merely resembles being free. When in all actuality you are still begging the Oligarchy for the ability to do something that has not, the use of itself, actually killed people to the extent of other “legal” substances. Even in the states where it is “legal,” according to the powers that be, you still have millions locked up for Cannabis related crimes. How can this be so? Cause it is only legal, it is not decriminalized, and those that broke the prior laws have very little legal standing to have their sentences commuted and their individual liberties restored. History is a wonderful thing to look back on and learn from. The number one murderer of people in the world over the entirety of History has been the governments and officials that swore to protect and defend us lowly people from each other and ourselves. The same people who put out ads like Bernie Sanders or any politician telling us how wonderful life will be once everything is free, nothing is free, and we all have the same education level, house, car, etc. The problem with that system is eventually you run out of other people’s money to steal. We are seeing it all over the world, Argentina, Africa, the Middle East, South East Asia, even here. Once those that do not produce out number those that produce it falls apart quickly and WE the people are the first to starve, be shot, etc. by those same “leaders” who swore to protect and defend us while they sit in their lap of luxury still stealing our livelihoods while still feeding us propaganda to placate our sensibilities and calm our animal instincts of survival. Look around you, the signs are everywhere and the history is all there for us to read, yet we are still ignorant to it. I guess relinquishing your personal responsibility over yourself for a false sense of security is also part of the animalistic nature of the human psyche. The wonderful experiment that was the UNITED STATES of America on whether man could rule himself has showed, to a fault, that as a whole society and man beg to be ruled and controlled by some false prophet or political leader whose only agenda is self aggrandizement. I wish us all luck for the future and our children’s futures. They will really be the ones to suffer for our ignorance.
Bernie Sanders sucks. Thank you for your service.
 

hanimmal

Well-Known Member
IMPO, voting for anyone that has spent their entire adult life in public office or DC who is calling DC or our federal government as being broken while having done very little over that lifetime to fix what is broken while at the same time readily contributing to the corruption and cesspool that is DC and now wants to be elected President to fix said broken corrupt system like the President is a dictatorial all powerful position no matter what Party D or R is like committing suicide cause you keep getting a cold while standing in the rain with no jacket in 40 degree weather, it makes no effing sense. First and foremost, anyone who keeps voting for D and R expecting a change to happen is down right ignorant.
I disagree, there is plenty of actual evidence of how the Democrats have been able to get real change done in the handful of years they have had enough power int he Senate and House as well as the Presidency. Which is about 6 since 1970.

The Duopoly has done absolutely nothing to advance the betterment of the American people over the last 100 years.
Again incorrect, in that time we have increased life expectancy from about 54 years to almost 79. Life for everyone here is much easier and in many many ways better.

They have, while dividing by race, class, sex, creed, etc. both taken our freedoms and liberties under the guise of safety and security while slowly and systematically destroying what made the UNITED STATES of America great, liberty to make the choices that you saw fit to better yourself and fail and try again.
This is a lie sold by the racists in a way that might sound good, but again doesn't hold to reality.
The only ones dividing the country into race using the government did so with election laws, red lining, job and education discrimination, and every other racist law designed to keep the Wealthy White Heterosexual Male Only agenda in complete power.

The only 'freedoms' that you might argue have been 'taken away' are the ones that allowed other people to be damaged.

.....

That is about as far as I could get just now into the scree you posted.
 

USMCgreen

Member
I disagree, there is plenty of actual evidence of how the Democrats have been able to get real change done in the handful of years they have had enough power int he Senate and House as well as the Presidency. Which is about 6 since 1970.


Again incorrect, in that time we have increased life expectancy from about 54 years to almost 79. Life for everyone here is much easier and in many many ways better.


This is a lie sold by the racists in a way that might sound good, but again doesn't hold to reality.
The only ones dividing the country into race using the government did so with election laws, red lining, job and education discrimination, and every other racist law designed to keep the Wealthy White Heterosexual Male Only agenda in complete power.

The only 'freedoms' that you might argue have been 'taken away' are the ones that allowed other people to be damaged.

.....

That is about as far as I could get just now into the scree you posted.
First, neither party has made my life better. Taking away my Natural rights under the guise of safety for society as a whole is falsehood and neither party has bettered my life through government dictate, only made it harder by limiting my ability to seek any peaceful path I so choose. Hence why we are on here talking about how to set up “secret” grows under internet handles instead of selling our hard work at farmers markets without the fear of criminal prosecution for a plant.

The laws enacted by our governments have not increased the life expectancy of humans, but human entrepreneurship innovation and hard work has done so. Government does not create anything that it first doesn’t steal from it’s subjects.

The simple fact that you saw any racism in my comment tells me that you are the exact person who believes that government force against peaceful people is okay with you cause it isn’t being used against you, not yet. Give them the power to force someone else to live according to the will of the masses and eventually that same power will be used against you because the masses deem it so.

You do not understand liberty or freedom. No government in the world can give you liberty or freedom, they can give you positive rights that give them power over your life. Take gay marriage for instance. Who is the government to say who can get married? Well, we have allowed them to dictate that through mandate to what ends? To protect the tax breaks the government bestows upon the people because we begged them for a license to make vows with someone. We have them the power to dictate all aspects of our lives through various avenues, legal or not.

By the way, I am far from a racist, only a racist would see racism in my comments. Open you eyes my friend. It doesn’t take a genius to see the truth in my statements and tens of thousands of years of civilization prove my points over and over, from the mass sacrifice of the chosen by the chosen to appease the sun in Mayan culture to the Nazis and Societs mass murdering their own people, to the killing fields of Cambodia, to modern day mass murder of free people by all governments of the world to keep their power and control. I could spend hours citing every single Oligarchy that has been and their murder of their own people and others. The American Indian, my people, comes to mind here in the US. The Mormons, the Chinese, blacks, whites, poor, etc. etc. All murdered by our own government through history.
 
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