Bernie Sanders 2020

schuylaar

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IMPO, voting for anyone that has spent their entire adult life in public office or DC who is calling DC or our federal government as being broken while having done very little over that lifetime to fix what is broken while at the same time readily contributing to the corruption and cesspool that is DC and now wants to be elected President to fix said broken corrupt system like the President is a dictatorial all powerful position no matter what Party D or R is like committing suicide cause you keep getting a cold while standing in the rain with no jacket in 40 degree weather, it makes no effing sense. First and foremost, anyone who keeps voting for D and R expecting a change to happen is down right ignorant. The Duopoly has done absolutely nothing to advance the betterment of the American people over the last 100 years. They have, while dividing by race, class, sex, creed, etc. both taken our freedoms and liberties under the guise of safety and security while slowly and systematically destroying what made the UNITED STATES of America great, liberty to make the choices that you saw fit to better yourself and fail and try again. This notion that free everything will make anyone’s life better is laughable because history shows the exact opposite. When there is no incentive to succeed and everyone receives the exact same poverty, which is what you get under any collective ideological political system, then what you end up with, in all cases, is an Oligarchy of elites that control the wealth and the rest of us classless poor who will never even have a chance to attempt to better our lives because it threatens the Oligarchy and their control. Then you end up with revolution or rebellion which in turn ends with millions dead and more power to the Oligarchy. There are two governing systems in the world, a Republic, what we used to be, and an Oligarchy. If you are not a well defined Republic then you always end with an Oligarchy. Every system besides a well defined Republican form of government protected through contractual agreement with the people leads to an Oligarchy, where the chosen and elites control all that is, including your life. It is sad that, as a society, we are too ignorant to see the sheep we have become to a duopoly of wolves controlling our entire government from top to bottom and keep allowing ourselves to be conquered and controlled through the most basic of tactics, divide and conquer. Sun Tsu would be very proud of the way the Duopoly has systematically destroyed our Republic in favor of the Oligarchy through tactics such as the Overton Window technique where they each push our system to an extreme until society screams. Then they step back a notch or two, never back to where they started, and society is happy because it isn’t the extreme, but it also isn’t the previous normalcy. We have, through education, been made ignorant and complacent to this entire process. So much so that very few even see it happening on a 100% daily basis. Do any of you actually believe that DC gives two craps about your individual well-being or your safety? The readily militarize our local police force while overturning State’s Supreme Court rulings upholding our individual rights and liberties in favor of allowing all Law Enforcement carte blanche to search, seize, rape, murder, and plunder WE the people while at the same time saying things like, Those that oppose draconian policies only do so cause they have something to hide and if they don’t have anything to hide then they have nothing to fear from these policies. Every single person on this thread, if you actually read to this point, most won’t, should agree that my life is my life as your life is your own and nobody, outside of actual harm caused to another human being and having been rightly convicted through due process and a jury of their peers, should be forced to live a life based upon someone else’s beliefs. Especially seeing as how the Duopoly is the reason we have to fight and hide in the shadows in order to grow a plant and when they do finally come around to legalization or medicinal use they put so many stipulations and regulations on it’s cultivation and use that it merely resembles being free. When in all actuality you are still begging the Oligarchy for the ability to do something that has not, the use of itself, actually killed people to the extent of other “legal” substances. Even in the states where it is “legal,” according to the powers that be, you still have millions locked up for Cannabis related crimes. How can this be so? Cause it is only legal, it is not decriminalized, and those that broke the prior laws have very little legal standing to have their sentences commuted and their individual liberties restored. History is a wonderful thing to look back on and learn from. The number one murderer of people in the world over the entirety of History has been the governments and officials that swore to protect and defend us lowly people from each other and ourselves. The same people who put out ads like Bernie Sanders or any politician telling us how wonderful life will be once everything is free, nothing is free, and we all have the same education level, house, car, etc. The problem with that system is eventually you run out of other people’s money to steal. We are seeing it all over the world, Argentina, Africa, the Middle East, South East Asia, even here. Once those that do not produce out number those that produce it falls apart quickly and WE the people are the first to starve, be shot, etc. by those same “leaders” who swore to protect and defend us while they sit in their lap of luxury still stealing our livelihoods while still feeding us propaganda to placate our sensibilities and calm our animal instincts of survival. Look around you, the signs are everywhere and the history is all there for us to read, yet we are still ignorant to it. I guess relinquishing your personal responsibility over yourself for a false sense of security is also part of the animalistic nature of the human psyche. The wonderful experiment that was the UNITED STATES of America on whether man could rule himself has showed, to a fault, that as a whole society and man beg to be ruled and controlled by some false prophet or political leader whose only agenda is self aggrandizement. I wish us all luck for the future and our children’s futures. They will really be the ones to suffer for our ignorance.
I travel first and always give up my seat (bet you @Fogdog is clueless to this practice)- thank you for your service!:clap:
 

schuylaar

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First, neither party has made my life better. Taking away my Natural rights under the guise of safety for society as a whole is falsehood and neither party has bettered my life through government dictate, only made it harder by limiting my ability to seek any peaceful path I so choose. Hence why we are on here talking about how to set up “secret” grows under internet handles instead of selling our hard work at farmers markets without the fear of criminal prosecution for a plant.

The laws enacted by our governments have not increased the life expectancy of humans, but human entrepreneurship innovation and hard work has done so. Government does not create anything that it first doesn’t steal from it’s subjects.

The simple fact that you saw any racism in my comment tells me that you are the exact person who believes that government force against peaceful people is okay with you cause it isn’t being used against you, not yet. Give them the power to force someone else to live according to the will of the masses and eventually that same power will be used against you because the masses deem it so.

You do not understand liberty or freedom. No government in the world can give you liberty or freedom, they can give you positive rights that give them power over your life. Take gay marriage for instance. Who is the government to say who can get married? Well, we have allowed them to dictate that through mandate to what ends? To protect the tax breaks the government bestows upon the people because we begged them for a license to make vows with someone. We have them the power to dictate all aspects of our lives through various avenues, legal or not.

By the way, I am far from a racist, only a racist would see racism in my comments. Open you eyes my friend. It doesn’t take a genius to see the truth in my statements and tens of thousands of years of civilization prove my points over and over, from the mass sacrifice of the chosen by the chosen to appease the sun in Mayan culture to the Nazis and Societs mass murdering their own people, to the killing fields of Cambodia, to modern day mass murder of free people by all governments of the world to keep their power and control. I could spend hours citing every single Oligarchy that has been and their murder of their own people and others. The American Indian, my people, comes to mind here in the US. The Mormons, the Chinese, blacks, whites, poor, etc. etc. All murdered by our own government through history.
how do you feel about the land mines Trump* will be using again?- the question is where..take one guess.
 

schuylaar

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Nobody likes him and he hasn't done anything.

James Carville rips Bernie's Bros a new asshole:

Democrats ran on tangible issues like reducing cost of prescription drugs, protecting kids from the NRA's cult, expanding civil rights, unions and working together to defeat Trump.

Bernie's divisive extremism isn't how Democrats gained the power to impeach Trump for abuse of power and stopped Republican legislation in its tracks. Democrats should re-visit the 2018 playbook that showed Democratic values can win in conservative districts.


Sean Illing
What’s the answer?

James Carville
By framing, repeating, and delivering a coherent, meaningful message that is relevant to people’s lives and having the political skill not to be sucked into every rabbit hole that somebody puts in front of you.

The Democratic Party is the party of African Americans. It’s becoming a party of educated suburbanites, particularly women. It’s the party of Latinos. We’re a party of immigrants. Most of the people aren’t into all this distracting shit about open borders and letting prisoners vote. They don’t care. They have lives to lead. They have kids. They have parents that are sick. That’s what we have to talk about. That’s all we should talk about.

It’s not that this stuff doesn’t matter. And it’s not that we shouldn’t talk about race. We have to talk about race. It’s about how you deliver and frame the message. I thought Cory Booker’s “baby bonds” plan was great and the kind of thing the party could connect to people’s actual lives.

We have one moral imperative here, and that’s beating Trump. Nothing else matters.
overeducated, bitter man who didn't plan for his retirement..keep paying that student loan back @Fooldog:wink:
 

hanimmal

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First, neither party has made my life better. Taking away my Natural rights under the guise of safety for society as a whole is falsehood and neither party has bettered my life through government dictate, only made it harder by limiting my ability to seek any peaceful path I so choose. Hence why we are on here talking about how to set up “secret” grows under internet handles instead of selling our hard work at farmers markets without the fear of criminal prosecution for a plant.
I am a big fan of not having lakes on fire due to no environmental laws allowing business owners to dump chemicals into them.
The laws enacted by our governments have not increased the life expectancy of humans, but human entrepreneurship innovation and hard work has done so. Government does not create anything that it first doesn’t steal from it’s subjects.
See last point.
The simple fact that you saw any racism in my comment tells me that you are the exact person who believes that government force against peaceful people is okay with you cause it isn’t being used against you, not yet. Give them the power to force someone else to live according to the will of the masses and eventually that same power will be used against you because the masses deem it so.
What I said was it is racists that sold that line of thought that somehow things are being taken away from you in a way that is somehow different/worse than it was 'before'. It is not.
You do not understand liberty or freedom. No government in the world can give you liberty or freedom, they can give you positive rights that give them power over your life. Take gay marriage for instance. Who is the government to say who can get married? Well, we have allowed them to dictate that through mandate to what ends? To protect the tax breaks the government bestows upon the people because we begged them for a license to make vows with someone. We have them the power to dictate all aspects of our lives through various avenues, legal or not.
It is so condescending when people say things like 'you do not understand liberty or freedom' and just hurts any actual conversation. The last 50 years have not been easy for the Democratic party to wrestle power away from the Republicans enough to make the serious changes that our society requires for us to all be equal under the law, but it is far better and getting better every time people who are not trying to keep power away from being achievable for everyone.

By the way, I am far from a racist, only a racist would see racism in my comments. Open you eyes my friend. It doesn’t take a genius to see the truth in my statements and tens of thousands of years of civilization prove my points over and over, from the mass sacrifice of the chosen by the chosen to appease the sun in Mayan culture to the Nazis and Societs mass murdering their own people, to the killing fields of Cambodia, to modern day mass murder of free people by all governments of the world to keep their power and control. I could spend hours citing every single Oligarchy that has been and their murder of their own people and others. The American Indian, my people, comes to mind here in the US. The Mormons, the Chinese, blacks, whites, poor, etc. etc. All murdered by our own government through history.
That is great, I never said you were racist. And ill ignore that you are basically saying I am. I was pointing out that the statements you made are designed by racists. They designed them in a way that is subtle and may even sound really true and just, but is just cleverly designed to keep the power in the hands of the Wealthy White Heterosexual Male Only agenda.
 

UncleBuck

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First, neither party has made my life better. Taking away my Natural rights under the guise of safety for society as a whole is falsehood and neither party has bettered my life through government dictate, only made it harder by limiting my ability to seek any peaceful path I so choose. Hence why we are on here talking about how to set up “secret” grows under internet handles instead of selling our hard work at farmers markets without the fear of criminal prosecution for a plant.

The laws enacted by our governments have not increased the life expectancy of humans, but human entrepreneurship innovation and hard work has done so. Government does not create anything that it first doesn’t steal from it’s subjects.

The simple fact that you saw any racism in my comment tells me that you are the exact person who believes that government force against peaceful people is okay with you cause it isn’t being used against you, not yet. Give them the power to force someone else to live according to the will of the masses and eventually that same power will be used against you because the masses deem it so.

You do not understand liberty or freedom. No government in the world can give you liberty or freedom, they can give you positive rights that give them power over your life. Take gay marriage for instance. Who is the government to say who can get married? Well, we have allowed them to dictate that through mandate to what ends? To protect the tax breaks the government bestows upon the people because we begged them for a license to make vows with someone. We have them the power to dictate all aspects of our lives through various avenues, legal or not.

By the way, I am far from a racist, only a racist would see racism in my comments. Open you eyes my friend. It doesn’t take a genius to see the truth in my statements and tens of thousands of years of civilization prove my points over and over, from the mass sacrifice of the chosen by the chosen to appease the sun in Mayan culture to the Nazis and Societs mass murdering their own people, to the killing fields of Cambodia, to modern day mass murder of free people by all governments of the world to keep their power and control. I could spend hours citing every single Oligarchy that has been and their murder of their own people and others. The American Indian, my people, comes to mind here in the US. The Mormons, the Chinese, blacks, whites, poor, etc. etc. All murdered by our own government through history.
oh look

It’s rob Roy’s racist little brother

Do you also think that *certain* 12 year old boys are able to consent to your sexual advances?
 

USMCgreen

Member
I am a big fan of not having lakes on fire due to no environmental laws allowing business owners to dump chemicals into them.
See last point.
What I said was it is racists that sold that line of thought that somehow things are being taken away from you in a way that is somehow different/worse than it was 'before'. It is not.

It is so condescending when people say things like 'you do not understand liberty or freedom' and just hurts any actual conversation. The last 50 years have not been easy for the Democratic party to wrestle power away from the Republicans enough to make the serious changes that our society requires for us to all be equal under the law, but it is far better and getting better every time people who are not trying to keep power away from being achievable for everyone.


That is great, I never said you were racist. And ill ignore that you are basically saying I am. I was pointing out that the statements you made are designed by racists. They designed them in a way that is subtle and may even sound really true and just, but is just cleverly designed to keep the power in the hands of the Wealthy White Heterosexual Male Only agenda.
Lmao...cause the government has done all those things and not polluted the environment. You are a complete troll and the reason why the decriminalization movement will always fail. The Government has not done anything to actually protect the people. They took industry standards that were already becoming regular practice and put them into a law and put fines on them, nothing more. Now they can fine companies and put regulations into effect that only those companies with enough capital can actually thrive in all industries. It is called an Oligarchy and you are espousing my exact points. That those in power have conspired with government to place regulations that hurt innovation and industry rather than help it. You would be surprised how quickly free markets would fix situations through the power of economics...lol...do some research
 

Fogdog

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overeducated, bitter man who didn't plan for his retirement..keep paying that student loan back @Fooldog:wink:
citation?

edit: Oh yeah, you joined the ranks of the unemployed this weekend. You know, I've never lost a job during a layoff or otherwise. Was always considered necessary for the business to continue. I have fired my employer a few times for their failure to meet objectives but always with another job in hand. Not worried about retirement. Plenty of savings, debt free, that sort of thing. I'm sorry for you that you haven't managed your life well.
 
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USMCgreen

Member
I love how being for liberty and freedom on a site dedicated to a substance that government has used to enforce their draconian rule makes me a racist and a pedophile...get a new argument...lol
 

schuylaar

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Lmao...cause the government has done all those things and not polluted the environment. You are a complete troll and the reason why the decriminalization movement will always fail. The Government has not done anything to actually protect the people. They took industry standards that were already becoming regular practice and put them into a law and put fines on them, nothing more. Now they can fine companies and put regulations into effect that only those companies with enough capital can actually thrive in all industries. It is called an Oligarchy and you are espousing my exact points. That those in power have conspired with government to place regulations that hurt innovation and industry rather than help it. You would be surprised how quickly free markets would fix situations through the power of economics...lol...do some research
welcome to our Rabbit Hole!:clap:
 

hanimmal

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Lmao...cause the government has done all those things and not polluted the environment.
I have no idea what you mean.
You are a complete troll and the reason why the decriminalization movement will always fail.
That is a lot of power you gave me there, which decriminalization are you talking about btw?
They took industry standards that were already becoming regular practice and put them into a law and put fines on them, nothing more. Now they can fine companies and put regulations into effect that only those companies with enough capital can actually thrive in all industries. It is called an Oligarchy and you are espousing my exact points. That those in power have conspired with government to place regulations that hurt innovation and industry rather than help it. You would be surprised how quickly free markets would fix situations through the power of economics...lol...do some research
Its ok man, calm down, welcome to the forum. I am not and have never said the government is all rainbows and unicorns, it has done a lot of stupid and horrendous shit, but until very recently only drew from about 33% of the population, we are finally just getting to the point that we the people have a political party that represents everyone in our country, and is starting to have a fighting chance at making very positive change.


We still are confronted with the old guard however that just by stopping all progress can maintain their power unfortunately, but it doesn't mean we are not still moving forward as a country.

I suggest stop trying to act like you have all the knowledge and start to understand that maybe everything is not as bad as it might seem from your point of view.

I love how being for liberty and freedom on a site dedicated to a substance that government has used to enforce their draconian rule makes me a racist and a pedophile...get a new argument...lol
I love how you just sign up this account and go right to a page long wall of text then anger post since then.

The world and our government are not as bad as it is made to appear. Yes it has and will do horrendous things, but as a whole we are improving.
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The worst is being highlighted and being made to seem to be the norm in our society, it is not.
 

USMCgreen

Member
Still awaiting the (insert government agency) to prosecute big(insert corresponding industry) for the harm they have perpetrated on WE the people for decades. What political party are you speaking, Democrats? Cause it is my understanding that they have perpetrated just as much harm through the wars on everything that the republicans have. They conspired with big business through lobbying to write laws that allow harm to the American people. I came to this site for the cannabis related stuff...just stumbled onto this ignorance. I am still dumbfounded how people who are on this site can support any politician that is a part of the duopoly that has spent the last 150 plus years harming WE the people. Especially since it was the Duopoly that has perpetrated the war on drugs that has destroyed so many lives for self harm under the guise of saving us from ourselves. Look at history, government prohibition and influence in any industry has done nothing but allow harm and allow those that fill their pockets to get away with it. I have watched many agencies in many industries stand aside and watch people die without lifting a finger and then they fine the company instead of preventing those deaths. Don’t attempt to tell me our government, etc. isn’t as bad as it seems. I have seen first hand how bad our government really is. I really hope you live in a free state cause when the DEA kicks your door in with a no knock warrant and puts you and your family into cuffs and kills your dog over a plant then proceeds to take your children and puts you into poverty fighting for your kids after spending a decade in prison. I really hope people like you get their heads out of their asses. I am not going to respond anymore to this thread. I got rid of my FB cause of ignorant people like you who think that by voting the same damn parties into government is going to change anything when it has and always will be those same two parties keeping the status quo and while they feed you bread and circuses.
 

Fogdog

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Still awaiting the (insert government agency) to prosecute big(insert corresponding industry) for the harm they have perpetrated on WE the people for decades. What political party are you speaking, Democrats? Cause it is my understanding that they have perpetrated just as much harm through the wars on everything that the republicans have. They conspired with big business through lobbying to write laws that allow harm to the American people. I came to this site for the cannabis related stuff...just stumbled onto this ignorance. I am still dumbfounded how people who are on this site can support any politician that is a part of the duopoly that has spent the last 150 plus years harming WE the people. Especially since it was the Duopoly that has perpetrated the war on drugs that has destroyed so many lives for self harm under the guise of saving us from ourselves. Look at history, government prohibition and influence in any industry has done nothing but allow harm and allow those that fill their pockets to get away with it. I have watched many agencies in many industries stand aside and watch people die without lifting a finger and then they fine the company instead of preventing those deaths. Don’t attempt to tell me our government, etc. isn’t as bad as it seems. I have seen first hand how bad our government really is. I really hope you live in a free state cause when the DEA kicks your door in with a no knock warrant and puts you and your family into cuffs and kills your dog over a plant then proceeds to take your children and puts you into poverty fighting for your kids after spending a decade in prison. I really hope people like you get their heads out of their asses. I am not going to respond anymore to this thread. I got rid of my FB cause of ignorant people like you who think that by voting the same damn parties into government is going to change anything when it has and always will be those same two parties keeping the status quo and while they feed you bread and circuses.
So, then, don't get out and vote.

OK?
 

hanimmal

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Still awaiting the (insert government agency) to prosecute big(insert corresponding industry) for the harm they have perpetrated on WE the people for decades. What political party are you speaking, Democrats?
Most of the laws have still been written by the Wealthy White Heterosexual Male Only agenda.

Every time 'we the people' have had actual power we have spent the majority of it having to fix a crashing economy that was left to us.

Yes I mean Democrats. Carter, Clinton, and Obama each had 2 years to get things done before the Republicans were able to take back the House and Senate.

We need to string a few elections in a row instead of just one big one every other President.

Cause it is my understanding that they have perpetrated just as much harm through the wars on everything that the republicans have.
You are mistaken, the southern strategy helped keep power in the hands of the people who don't want anything to change since the civil rights era. It is a long road, but on party is legislating for the entire country, and one is doing everything they can to maintain the old power structure.


It is pretty clear who is drawing from 100% of the populations best and brightest.

They conspired with big business through lobbying to write laws that allow harm to the American people.
Everything changed after the 70's. It just sucks that the Democrats had to start at zero and build up to catch up to the Republican party who have been a step ahead the entire time. We need to get through the gerrymandering still, and the Republicans have already been stuffing the courts to stop progress for the next 20-50 years.

I came to this site for the cannabis related stuff...just stumbled onto this ignorance.
Welcome to the site, you would be surprised what we talk about here, some great conversations have taken place.

I am still dumbfounded how people who are on this site can support any politician that is a part of the duopoly that has spent the last 150 plus years harming WE the people. Especially since it was the Duopoly that has perpetrated the war on drugs that has destroyed so many lives for self harm under the guise of saving us from ourselves. Look at history, government prohibition and influence in any industry has done nothing but allow harm and allow those that fill their pockets to get away with it. I have watched many agencies in many industries stand aside and watch people die without lifting a finger and then they fine the company instead of preventing those deaths. Don’t attempt to tell me our government, etc. isn’t as bad as it seems.
Everything changed for the better (not perfect, but better) about 50 years ago. It is still a work in progress, and a lot of wrongs need to be made right.

I am saying everything is not as bad as it seems because we are in a age of disinformation and amplification of everything bad with the new tools we are still learning how to use as a society.

I really hope you live in a free state cause when the DEA kicks your door in with a no knock warrant and puts you and your family into cuffs and kills your dog over a plant then proceeds to take your children and puts you into poverty fighting for your kids after spending a decade in prison. I really hope people like you get their heads out of their asses. I am not going to respond anymore to this thread. I got rid of my FB cause of ignorant people like you who think that by voting the same damn parties into government is going to change anything when it has and always will be those same two parties keeping the status quo and while they feed you bread and circuses.
It was too late unfortunately when you got rid of your Facebook account. They already had all of you and your friends and families data, it sucks, the ability to data mine out everyone's personality and spam them on a micro targeted level (regardless of where they get their information or chat).

Best of luck with your plants. If you end up coming back, maybe don't act like you know everything and feel the need to rant.
 

hanimmal

Well-Known Member
I bet you believe we are a democracy and that the electoral college is a bad thing as well...lmfao...sheep
There is good and bad to it, the electoral college gives land the ability to outvote people. It wouldn't be so bad if the Russians didn't show what happens when you have the ability to micro target people down to the state/district with propaganda due to our current President giving them our voting data (via Manafort).
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