Second seedling is going wrong...

[testology1980]

Could have been! I had a very similar problem when I started my auto grow. Curly leaves, etc. I couldn’t nail it down for sure, but, I had two feeds in a row where I neglected to pH my water and I overwatered. Once I reduced the frequency of my watering and got my pH into range the plants responded and thanked me immediately. I can’t be sure what the problem I experienced was, because I addressed my issues concurrently, but it helped immensely nonetheless. His issue very well could just be overwatering drowning out the roots leading to shoddy looking growth, but it could be a combo of both. I would err on the side of caution and get all conditions appropriately dialed in to nurture that baby back to health!

This baby will not make it.. I started over and I keep the old one but its getting brown in her leaves just like the first seedling that died...

 

[BuddingHorticulturist]

This baby will not make it.. I started over and I keep the old one but its getting brown in her leaves just like the first seedling that died...

Dang dude, that stinks!

 

[MidwestGanja]

Once your next seed pops and starts it's first true set of leaves, remove the heat mat. Most seedlings will be fine in a solo size cup for about the first 2 weeks. I can usually go 5-7 days between watering seedlings.

What probably happened on your last plant is the roots choked out and died. When leaves curl over like that it's over watered, when they go limp (from looking perfect to limp in <12hrs) it's under watered. Switching to fabric pots was a game changer for me. Don't get down on yourself, its the most common mistake IMO. Learning to grow quality bud is a marathon, not a sprint and there's always something new to learn or problem to overcome.

THIS IS NOT A PAID ENDORSEMENT BUT Skimming through I noticed someone mention Nirvana. IMO they freaking ROCK!! I've always had 100% germination, been buying for 7 years from them, great beginner strains, reasonable costs, sales Monday- Sunday. I've grown A++ smoke and the different phenos are always fun. I've grown their Swiss Cheese, Blue Cheese, Cannatonic CBD, Northern Lights, Wonder Woman, Gelato, Short Ryder, Raspberry Cough, Glue...... the list goes on.

 

[manfredo]

Your cloner is hydro right, not soil I'm assuming.
A well buffered soil will correct the PH to what it needs it to be on it's own, this is the reason most tap waters with a high PH can be used on house plants and landscapes without the PH being adjusted.

There is truth to that but first off there is a big difference between a seedling and a mature houseplant or landscaping. And no one who grows in soil would bother to adjust their PH if soil could completely adjust it. Here's what Fox Farms says..." Maintain a PH of 6.3 to 6.8 in soil to prevent lock up and reduce stress on plants". Or Advanced Nutrients line of "PH Perfect" exists because PH matters.

I agree the PH alone wasn't the problem and have no doubt they would grow on ph water of 7-8...but do you want them to just grow, or thrive? Totally agree over watering and transplanting hurt the first one...but who knows, if the PH was right maybe it would have made it.

 

[Kushash]

There is truth to that but first off there is a big difference between a seedling and a mature houseplant or landscaping. And no one who grows in soil would bother to adjust their PH if soil could completely adjust it. Here's what Fox Farms says..." Maintain a PH of 6.3 to 6.8 in soil to prevent lock up and reduce stress on plants". Or Advanced Nutrients line of "PH Perfect" exists because PH matters.

I agree the PH alone wasn't the problem and have no doubt they would grow on ph water of 7-8...but do you want them to just grow, or thrive? Totally agree over watering and transplanting hurt the first one...but who knows, if the PH was right maybe it would have made it.

I want his plant too thrive of course but if I think he is being distracted from fixing the true problem sometimes I chime in.

Doesn't matter to me what direction he takes and my 2c has been shared.

I have a little bit of experience with FFOF.

Water only not PH'ed and not top dressed until the start of flowering in FFOF in a 3 gallon plastic pot and I have a thousand other pics of all stages of growth in FF.

TGIF!

 

[testology1980]

Once your next seed pops and starts it's first true set of leaves, remove the heat mat. Most seedlings will be fine in a solo size cup for about the first 2 weeks. I can usually go 5-7 days between watering seedlings.

What probably happened on your last plant is the roots choked out and died. When leaves curl over like that it's over watered, when they go limp (from looking perfect to limp in <12hrs) it's under watered. Switching to fabric pots was a game changer for me. Don't get down on yourself, its the most common mistake IMO. Learning to grow quality bud is a marathon, not a sprint and there's always something new to learn or problem to overcome.

THIS IS NOT A PAID ENDORSEMENT BUT Skimming through I noticed someone mention Nirvana. IMO they freaking ROCK!! I've always had 100% germination, been buying for 7 years from them, great beginner strains, reasonable costs, sales Monday- Sunday. I've grown A++ smoke and the different phenos are always fun. I've grown their Swiss Cheese, Blue Cheese, Cannatonic CBD, Northern Lights, Wonder Woman, Gelato, Short Ryder, Raspberry Cough, Glue...... the list goes on.

Thanks, good to read that, specially what you wrote on Nirvana.
I will be careful with the watering and ph for beginning.

Its just that last time I had no issue at all, with same behavior and even much less care, same watering, same tent...
Only the heater is new so I will removed it after the seed will sprout. its 21 c without it, 27.5 with it working (night time). Day time its on 26+- (with the heater off, its working only at night) so I guess I will have to try and see.

 

[testology1980]

I want his plant too thrive of course but if I think he is being distracted from fixing the true problem sometimes I chime in.

Doesn't matter to me what direction he takes and my 2c has been shared.

I have a little bit of experience with FFOF.

Water only not PH'ed and not top dressed until the start of flowering in FFOF in a 3 gallon plastic pot and I have a thousand other pics of all stages of growth in FF.

TGIF!
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Great image, looking perfect

Amazing journal - WOW! I liked it very much.

Btw - my soil is ready soil from the hydro shop + some perlite I mixed - not too much.

 

[Kushash]

Great image, looking perfect

Amazing journal - WOW! I liked it very much.

Btw - my soil is ready soil from the hydro shop + some perlite I mixed - not too much.

Thanks!
I have a question about the journal.
I have a lot of pictures on most posts.
Did the pictures all opened for you OK?
Because it is packaged so tight I probably should have considered Thumbnails for the pictures.

 

[testology1980]

Thanks!
I have a question about the journal.
I have a lot of pictures on most posts.
Did the pictures all opened for you OK?
Because it is packaged so tight I probably should have considered Thumbnails for the pictures.

Personally I like it this way, its annoying to open the photos and usually I just open one or two and give up.
I just give it some time to load, I am on TOR browser so yes, its taking a lots of time... few minutes minimum, but TOR is slow.

BTW if u are watching it when not logged in into the forum, you will get only the thumbnail view so you can see how it will look.

A good alternative will be to leave only few of the best in full mode, and the rest in thumbnail.

 

[manfredo]

I want his plant too thrive of course but if I think he is being distracted from fixing the true problem sometimes I chime in.

Doesn't matter to me what direction he takes and my 2c has been shared.

I have a little bit of experience with FFOF.

Water only not PH'ed and not top dressed until the start of flowering in FFOF in a 3 gallon plastic pot and I have a thousand other pics of all stages of growth in FF.

TGIF!
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So I looked at your journal pis...Very nice plants, however i did notice a lot of foxtailing, which can be caused by several things...Seems like you had plenty of l;ght, etc, and could very well be genetics, but....

Marijuana foxtail happens when root zone and nutrients pH are off

How to Tame Sativa Marijuana Foxtail (Marijuana Foxtailing)

Sativa marijuana foxtail is a weird bud that comes from genetics and grow room problems so fix it now…

bigbudsmag.com

 

[Kushash]

So I looked at your journal pis...Very nice plants, however i did notice a lot of foxtailing, which can be caused by several things...Seems like you had plenty of l;ght, etc, and could very well be genetics, but....

Marijuana foxtail happens when root zone and nutrients pH are off

How to Tame Sativa Marijuana Foxtail (Marijuana Foxtailing)

Sativa marijuana foxtail is a weird bud that comes from genetics and grow room problems so fix it now…

bigbudsmag.com

Good eye!
Are you familiar with strains that do not amber when finished after 80 or 90 days and will not amber even if flowering is continued until 125 days from flip?
These strains will have looser and sometimes foxtailed buds.
Of course it could be something related to my environment or PH IDK.
I do know I listed a fair # of mistakes I made that grow. I always make a lot of mistakes, I will never have a grow that goes perfect.
I'm not into growing frosty short flowering strains with rock solid nugs that are for sleep or cause couchlock, I like day time smokes.

Truth is for competition growing I won't compete anymore unless the comp involves everyone growing the same seed strain.
To many grow and vote for frosty easy to grow strains over the harder to grow strains with less frost and less bag appeal that some growers have never experienced and do not understand.

I really don't feel like debating it any further.

 

[manfredo]

Good eye!
Are you familiar with strains that do not amber when finished after 80 or 90 days and will not amber even if flowering is continued until 125 days from flip?
These strains will have looser and sometimes foxtailed buds.
Of course it could be something related to my environment or PH IDK.
I do know I listed a fair # of mistakes I made that grow. I always make a lot of mistakes, I will never have a grow that goes perfect.
I'm not into growing frosty short flowering strains with rock solid nugs that are for sleep or cause couchlock, I like day time smokes.

Truth is for competition growing I won't compete anymore unless the comp involves everyone growing the same seed strain.
To many grow and vote for frosty easy to grow strains over the harder to grow strains with less frost and less bag appeal that some growers have never experienced and do not understand.

I really don't feel like debating it any further.

Please don't take it the wrong way....Your plants look awesome and i am far from an expert myself... I've had stuff foxtail myself, and I'll totally agree i doubt PH was the OP's main problem....and no, I don't ever grow those long finishing strains...I have enough trouble with the short flowering hybrids!! I wish my stuff looked as nice as yours in veg though...They looked so perfectly healthy!!

 

[MrToad69]

Hi,

I cant make the seedlings stage this time...

This was the issue with the first one:

New seedling leaves down

Hi all. Started a new grow. Indoor 60 X 60, CoolLED 200W light 45 cm about the plant , Temperature - 25-28 Celsius ,Moist - 45% +-. Seed was put in the soil on the 1.29 First it was OK, then leave are falling down... I may have watered it too much? last time was on the 02.09. The soil is...

www.rollitup.org

I started over.

Indoor 60 X 60, CoolLED 200W light 80 cm about the plant , Temperature - 25-28 Celsius ,Moist - 45% +-.
There is a heat under the tent, works only at "night", so temperature is around 24-28 all the time.

This time I tried with giffy. When the giffy shows some roots I put it 1.5 liter pot, watered very carefully.
Then again, after 2 weeks, leaves are dropping down... maybe I gave too much water again?
I panicked and moved it to a smaller pot to give it to dry.

I didn't have those issues before, with other seeds.

The seeds are feminize white widow from Niravana.

What am I doing wrong?
Can it be a bad genetic seeds?

Attaching photos, thanks


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Im guessing you're smothering it with love and killing it...specifically, giving it too much water and creating root rot..
Get a probe moisture meter and pH meter to keep on top of things...
Even if you were using unknown pH tap water most plants should still be fine, although not optimized.

Good luck

 

[Kushash]

Please don't take it the wrong way....Your plants look awesome and i am far from an expert myself... I've had stuff foxtail myself, and I'll totally agree i doubt PH was the OP's main problem....and no, I don't ever grow those long finishing strains...I have enough trouble with the short flowering hybrids!! I wish my stuff looked as nice as yours in veg though...They looked so perfectly healthy!!

When I said I didn't want to debate it Saturday it was more of a I didn't want to talk PH at the time and had stuff to do.
I could have added at the end that I'd be happy to get back to the conversation at a later time.

I was on a thread yesterday with a person growing in FFOF and is adjusting the PH.
Another grower Budzbuddha who I respect and have learned a lot from grows in FFOF with amazing result and will suggest continuing to PH more often than I do.
I was going to @ you to the conversation if it develops.

RIU quality/yield review

I couldn’t think of a better way to title this. lol But I want reviews and opinions of my first grow. I don’t want the generic “ looks good for your first time” I’m curious about the dry weight. I want your opinions on how much I will yield. i also want your opinions on quality. I have two...

www.rollitup.org

The OP is adjusting PH to 6.2 and after Budz already suggested raising the PH I suggested raising it to 6.6 or 6.8. The OP feels that my opinion may be off so in the last post I asked the OP to do a google search and let me know what he finds and a link to his research.

Now in his situation I totally agree he should PH because he has been feeding synthetic ferts every watering and in that spot I would also PH if I was in that situation. There are some solid members already on that thread so I do hope he gets back to us and a conversation takes place.

 

[manfredo]

Yes this PH conversation is interesting to me as well...Because i am all about improving my grow. I mainly grow in organic soil myself in super soil but I do wind up adding some synthetic fertilizers toward the end of my grow usually, and sometimes early on even. I have read in strictly organic grows PH'ing isn't as important b/c the soil will correct it, like you said.

Although do we even know if the OP here is planning on using nutes or not?

I guess my though was, if all the big companies recommend PH'ing, shouldn't we probably do it? Although I need to re-evaluate what I am using to PH with...a really old bottle of PH down someone gave me years ago...I'm sure it's not organic, and maybe i have been doing more harm than good.

 

[Hippieryan]

I’m as new as new, but I used distilled water for my seedlings and they seemed to do fine? I also read that as soon as the seed pops to loose the heat mat since it cooks any roots in the soil? Now I’m not sure what sites I got this from as I have been on a ton, bit grow weed easy is probably one of my always go to sites? Now I just use store bought RO water to ensure I don’t have to much chlorine in my water and know what my PH is when I start? Am I wrong for assuming this or doing so? Like I said I am still very ignorant and not even close to as knowledgeable as some of you guys.

 

[Kushash]

I’m as new as new, but I used distilled water for my seedlings and they seemed to do fine? I also read that as soon as the seed pops to loose the heat mat since it cooks any roots in the soil? Now I’m not sure what sites I got this from as I have been on a ton, bit grow weed easy is probably one of my always go to sites? Now I just use store bought RO water to ensure I don’t have to much chlorine in my water and know what my PH is when I start? Am I wrong for assuming this or doing so? Like I said I am still very ignorant and not even close to as knowledgeable as some of you guys.

RO is preferred over distilled and is cheaper.
For soil grows sometimes tap can be used or cut with RO, it depends on what is in the tap water.

I felt the same about the heat mat.
It can be used to germinate but should be removed after the seedling peeks.
In a solo cup the tap root can run to the bottom of the cup quickly and the heat mat would likely make it very unhappy.

 

[BuddingHorticulturist]

I’m as new as new, but I used distilled water for my seedlings and they seemed to do fine? I also read that as soon as the seed pops to loose the heat mat since it cooks any roots in the soil? Now I’m not sure what sites I got this from as I have been on a ton, bit grow weed easy is probably one of my always go to sites? Now I just use store bought RO water to ensure I don’t have to much chlorine in my water and know what my PH is when I start? Am I wrong for assuming this or doing so? Like I said I am still very ignorant and not even close to as knowledgeable as some of you guys.

I only used a heat source to germinate. Once the plants germed I put them in their final pots and put them under the veg lights (600w MH and 200w LED). Obviously doing this didn’t require them to have a heat source.

What is your process for germinating seeds? My advice to you would be to not overthink too much. You can easily overwhelm yourself. Sometimes less is more. A caution with RO or distilled water, since it is mostly devoid of any calcium or magnesium you will likely have to add it back in to buffer your water from excessive pH swings which could cause problems down the line.

I use my tap water. It is 8.2pH & 240ppm and I just mix my nutes then adjust pH accordingly and let it sit so I’m sure where the pH is truly at. I simply fill up some 5 gal buckets a couple days before a feeding to let the chlorine evaporate for a couple days. So far it’s done me well, and I use the same water for my garden in the summer.

 

[Hippieryan]

I only used a heat source to germinate. Once the plants germed I put them in their final pots and put them under the veg lights (600w MH and 200w LED). Obviously doing this didn’t require them to have a heat source.

What is your process for germinating seeds? My advice to you would be to not overthink too much. You can easily overwhelm yourself. Sometimes less is more. A caution with RO or distilled water, since it is mostly devoid of any calcium or magnesium you will likely have to add it back in to buffer your water from excessive pH swings which could cause problems down the line.

I use my tap water. It is 8.2pH & 240ppm and I just mix my nutes then adjust pH accordingly and let it sit so I’m sure where the pH is truly at. I simply fill up some 5 gal buckets a couple days before a feeding to let the chlorine evaporate for a couple days. So far it’s done me well, and I use the same water for my garden in the summer.

Same thing for germination, I have always used the paper towel trick and just used the heat mat and solo cup or starter cup for start?
I do appreciate the advise on over thinking things, but after a lot of research if you want a premium product you have to use all techniques to your advantage? Now saying that, I agree 100% I over think things way to much lol. I will try the leaving a five galling pail for a few days though to eliminate the chlorine, that makes perfect sense to me.

 

[Hippieryan]

Same thing for germination, I have always used the paper towel trick and just used the heat mat and solo cup or starter cup for start?
I do appreciate the advise on over thinking things, but after a lot of research if you want a premium product you have to use all techniques to your advantage? Now saying that, I agree 100% I over think things way to much lol. I will try the leaving a five galling pail for a few days though to eliminate the chlorine, that makes perfect sense to me.

I also use a seed tray and small light to just get my seeds going off the hop until they are stable enough to go to a larger pot?