NO defoliation appreciation thread.

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GC_Mospeada

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I've been an organic soil grower for many a year, so haven't really had a "feed chart". it's why I'm laughing at you. Because you linked a video on organic biostimulants, then shit on an organic gardening expert, while telling me how organic gardening's going to save you from mold in RDWC. Jeff would have explained in great details the benefits of organics and the synergies of it all.

and I want to know your Relative Humidity % It's not a hard ask. It's more than likely the contributing factor as to why you don't have mold than anything else.
If you knew what VPD was you would have been able to work that out yourself. Also humidity is moot as you can't get the correct VPD without the correct RDH. Did you actually know what Vpd was?

 

Kassiopeija

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Wow all the LARF bud...what will I do with it when I finish my current grow at least I know it won't be as LARFY as this.View attachment 4522016
when I see this pic I think I would've defoliated quite some of these lowhanging top fanleaves right away perhaps 2 weeks before... that would have allowed the light getting deeper into the plant, doubt there would be a loss of photosynthesis - it would still be dense, because there a number of colas here that will all absorb 100% of whatever light you throw at them.

But I can see why you as a mass producer cannot utilize LST or other techniques when there's still mess with accessability to the cola's. There's also so many plants.... :D but it's ok if it's working for you, and it'S looking impressive, I wonder how the smell in there was :D
 

Mr.Head

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If you knew what VPD was you would have been able to work that out yourself. Also humidity is moot as you can't get the correct VPD without the correct RDH. Did you actually know what Vpd was?

I just like how you fire off 20 replies a minute to yourself, but this one took like 10 minutes to get out of ya... a little google-fu eh?
 

GC_Mospeada

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when I see this pic I think I would've defoliated quite some of these lowhanging top fanleaves right away perhaps 2 weeks before... that would have allowed the light getting deeper into the plant, doubt there would be a loss of photosynthesis - it would still be dense, because there a number of colas here that will all absorb 100% of whatever light you throw at them.

But I can see why you as a mass producer cannot utilize LST or other techniques when there's still mess with accessability to the cola's. There's also so many plants.... :D but it's ok if it's working for you, and it'S looking impressive, I wonder how the smell in there was :D
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This releases plasma ions into the air to neutralise odours. It stopped the smell from creeping down 3 flights of stairs. Emits a horrible pitched sound but it works.
 

Kassiopeija

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If you knew what VPD was you would have been able to work that out yourself.
no he's not asking you about this. It's because of that there're several starting points when mold can grow increasingly (62%) so he's perhaps theorizing you've got something very low, like 40% or lower, then this would allow for no-mold.
 

GC_Mospeada

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Because by zoning in on humidity you're totally ignoring that it's VPD that's the most important thing. Correct VPD will ALWAYS ensure you have safe ranges.
 

spek9

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Because by zoning in on humidity you're totally ignoring that it's VPD that's the most important thing. Correct VPD will ALWAYS ensure you have safe ranges.
I've been growing outdoors for 20+ years and indoors for 7+ and I have no idea what VPD is. When did that become "the most important thing"? Someone must have forgotten to tell me or my plants ;)
 

GC_Mospeada

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I've been growing outdoors for 20+ years and indoors for 7+ and I have no idea what VPD is. When did that become "the most important thing"? Someone must have forgotten to tell me or my plants ;)
You just answered your own question...Ohhhh...7+ years of indoor and you've never heard of VPD? If you didn't add that than you would have answered your own question. It just stands for Vapor Pressure Deficit and is generally something that indoor growers know about because they grow in a sealed environment. Were your indoor grows not sealed?
 

Kassiopeija

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This releases plasma ions into the air to neutralise odours. It stopped the smell from creeping down 3 flights of stairs. Emits a horrible pitched sound but it works.
do you also do something against spores, as like ozone or UVC lamps? I'm thinking about if I should somehow sterilize all the air at the intake. I've seen UVC lamps do that on water in tubes but I would need something in the range of illuminating a big shoe carton.
 

GC_Mospeada

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The Dutch use their UV lights to sanitize their tanks between grows. It's deadly though with how easy it can harm you over a long period of time without proper PPE.
 

jondamon

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Great post man thanks for all the info!

I must admit I haven’t read all 20 pages. Got to page 10 and thought F it to the rest.


Here’s something I copied from a magazine for everyone on the forum many years ago.



It talks about positive stress etc to your plants.

Some of the “norms” and some of the less “norm” methods.


Sorry but I’m not about to get dragged into a dick measuring contest.

Just a drop and go post in here.
 

Kassiopeija

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I take air fromt he room and vent it all out so I guess only a tiny fraction of ozone would stay back... my vent out has such o sheer force the boxes are decompressed but I throttle manually down. It would be a somehow handy solution if I would neutralize all spores right before they even have the chance to fall on any part of the plants.
 

jondamon

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I've seen it in passing is all, and only recently at that. I've always gone by temp and humidity and everything has always worked out for me. Never went by VPD or any other measurement.

VPD just gives you the correct RH for your temperature that you’re running.

If you’re keeping your temps in check and your RH between 40-65 really there’s nothing more VPD will do other than get you chasing another number.
 

jondamon

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Sounds like something additional I don't need to worry about then :)

Same. Lol.

I read about it years ago.

Commercial yes I can understand.

Completely sealed rooms where enviro controllers are used yes VPD makes sense.


Rooms where you intake cool air and exhaust air away it’s just another piece of the puzzle to try and control.

Personally if my Rh is between 40-65 I don’t stress unless it’s high in flower.
 
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