Justin-case
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Apparently this is the same council member that was claiming they were going to start burying people in new York's parks.
Fucking guy needs to be run out town.
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Fucking guy needs to be run out town.
Fogdog
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medcram is accessed through a website that promotes right wing propaganda. Anything from that site is suspect.Perhaps you had better be more specific with your accusations against the Medcram and provide a link before complaining that they provide unreliable information. I went to their site and I could not find a link to the epoch times. So I'm calling bullshit on you, your arguments have nothing to do with facts and every thing to do with "people are saying"
MedCram - Medical Lectures Explained Clearly
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You asked about the qualifications of the doctor making the videos:
"Roger Seheult, MD
MedCram Co-Founder & Instructor
Dr. Seheult is currently an Associate Clinical Professor at the University of California, Riverside School of Medicine and an Assistant Clinical Professor at the School of Medicine and Allied Health at Loma Linda University. In addition to being a preceptor for PA and medical students, Dr. Seheult was the Medical Director for the Physician Assistant Sciences Program at Loma Linda University, the Medical Director for a sleep lab, and the Medical Director for the Crafton Hills College Respiratory Care Program.
His teaching experience goes back to his college days at the University of California, Riverside where he was a tutor in physics and chemistry, and graduated Magna Cum Laude with majors in Chemistry and Biology. He later honed his skills teaching the MCAT, DAT, and USMLE for Kaplan test prep. After graduating from the Loma Linda University School of Medicine in 2000, he completed a residency in Internal Medicine, a chief residency at the Riverside County Regional Medical Center, and a fellowship in Pulmonary and Critical Care Medicine at Loma Linda University.
Roger's current practice is in Banning California where he is a pulmonologist and sleep physician at Beaver Medical Group. He was formerly the Director for Intensive Care Services at San Gorgonio Memorial Hospital. He lectures routinely across the country at conferences and for medical, PA, and RT societies.
Roger is certified in Internal Medicine, Pulmonary Diseases, Critical Care Medicine and Sleep Medicine through the American Board of Internal Medicine."
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To post such a preamble for videos, would be tedious.
I don't know where you accessed medcram and don't really give a fuck, that information is not on their site. Besides, who appointed you gatekeeper here, you are no medical expert either, to the best of my knowledge there are no medical experts here, though there are people who work in healthcare. Look for more Medcram videos, if they are related to covid19, perhaps you should watch a few instead of ignorantly commenting on something you know nothing about. Who are you to vet people's posts or the information they receive?
Stick to the facts foggy, and stop with the "people are saying bullshit", ya sound like Trump, people are saying, that if you access this site thought this particular website... In trying to shit on me, you shit on them too.
Why don't you mount an argument against the efficacy of hot cold therapy, citing some scientific sources. There is a proper study being done on it now and they are recruiting volunteers in your neighborhood, but since ya didn't watch the video I guess ya don't know about it.
There are better places from which to access information.
DIY-HP-LED
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Not their site, I looked and could find no such link on their site, it's all professional and all business. They are medically certified and a good source of information for those with an interest in following this story in greater depth. The guy's a pulmonologist FFS and teaches medicine.
Fogdog
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I went to the site and American Conservative University hosted it. Its a right wing propaganda website.
I know you will go right back to it like a fly to shit. Carry on.
Fogdog
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my how toolish of youHere is what science has to say about Donald's magic bullet, it was being widely used in hospitals to treat covid19, before donald heard about it. Nobody knows if it's really effective yet because there have been no proper large scale double blinded placebo trials, those are underway now. Here is a pretty good review from a reliable source about the state of research on this controversial drug, see his previous posts too, if you have an interest in this topic.
Some of the comments on the site are quite amusing...
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Science | AAAS
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Hydroxychloroquine Update For April 6
By Derek Lowe 6 April, 2020
There’s a lot of news to catch up on, and to keep things straight I’ll divide the hydroxychloroquine part out into this post, and cover others in the next one. My previous reviews of the clinical data in this area are here.
more...
Donald Trump Has Stake In Hydroxychloroquine Drugmaker: Report
The president has repeatedly touted the anti-malaria drug as a coronavirus treatment despite a lack of medical evidence.
President Donald Trump reportedly owns a stake in a company that produces hydroxychloroquine, the anti-malaria drug he has repeatedly touted as a coronavirus treatment even though his experts say there’s no strong evidence it works.
Trump “has a small personal financial interest” in Sanofi, the French drugmaker that makes Plaquenil, the brand-name version of hydroxychloroquine, The New York Times reported Monday.
A chorus of Trump supporters with no medical expertise have backed the president’s urging of doctors to treat COVID-19 patients with the drug, including his personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, and Fox News host Sean Hannity.
In the face of warnings from top infectious disease expert Dr. Anthony Fauci that the drug’s safety and effectiveness are uncertain in treating COVID-19, Trump has continued to laud its supposed benefits.
“What do you have to lose?” he asked at a press briefing this week urging those sick with the virus to take the drug.
Turns out plenty.
“There could be deaths,” American Medical Association President Dr. Patrice Harris said. “This is a new virus, and so we should not be promoting any medication or drug for any disease that has not been proven and approved by the FDA
DIY-HP-LED
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Guilt by association? So what if they host the site, maybe the university provides it free, science is science, I'm not too particular about the server farm that hosts it, just the information, a server can have porn or religion on it, it depends on who rents the space, or is given it. A lot of places have conservative in their name and there are a lot of actual conservatives that hate Trump's guts and say so. This ain't a link from liberty university and this place might have been founded decades ago by actual conservative, not loonies.
Fogdog
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There is no need to get news from a propaganda website. Anything from that site is suspect.
DIY-HP-LED
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I hear it's a small stake, but ya never know with Donald and his buddies. Donald's motivation concerning this drug is caused by desperation and grasping at straws. He's desperate the shine of the war time leader is wearing off very fast and he is exposed for what he is, now more than ever. If the research shows some efficacy he will be all over it and claim it was his idea all along. I believe it will be found to be of limited use, but we'll just wait and see.
My true hopes are here in Winnipeg Canada and they are starting production around now, have signed on two American biotech firms and are hiring like crazy. You don't hear much about this one in the media and I suspect it was what Dr Fauci was referring to when he cryptically spoke of coming treatments in Donald's latest dog and pony show (I'll bet he never told Donald). I posted the link so you should know about it, there's not much info being released.
DIY-HP-LED
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Tighten your definition of site, in my definition it refers to the Medcram site and the links to be found there. You said you couldn't find anything out about American University and now you claim knowledge you do not have. Further your impugning the reputation of these doctors and their business which is to teach medicine. You claim that their information is unreliable as if he is gonna slip in some Trump propaganda in the middle of a video, these people are most often democrats foggy, they are scientists after all.
Fogdog
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American Conservative University
I went out and looked for any critical reviews of Medcram. Nothing out there that was not from Medcram or boiler plate stuff.
American Conservative University, on the other hand, links to Medcram all over the place.
I smell a rat. There is no need to go to them. Plenty of accredited places. You won't find the woo-woo sciency stuff that is your obsession in accredited sites.
I wonder why they won't agree with Trump? Conspiracy, maybe? Why don't we all just agree with you and Trump that Hydroxychloroquine is the bees knees!!!!! Maybe all those doctors with high falooting titles just want people to die.
DIY-HP-LED
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He gives the straight stuff on hydroxychloroquine and links to the papers in the description. He reports the buzz in the medical community too and first mentioned zinc and zinc ionophores in a video, in a later video he mentioned that chloroquine was a zinc ionophore and then it went from there, it was widely used for treatment of covid19 based on this kind of conjecture (not by him). Some doctors even prescribe it to patients outside of hospital settings, but this has since been tightened up. This site was mainly for medical people, but they made the material more accessible to the public in light of the covid19 crisis, it's not a site I would normally frequent since I'm not a medical professional, just a science fan.
Fogdog
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Yes, yes, I understand that you are constitutionally unable to sit down and shut up when you could be saying something, anything.
here is the disclaimer at Medcram's site:
MedCram medical videos do not provide medical advice and are for informational purposes only. Furthermore, all MedCram materials - including medical videos, notes, quizzes, tests, discussions, and other information - are not intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis or treatment. Always seek the advice of a qualified health provider with any questions you may have regarding a medical condition. Never disregard professional medical advice or delay in seeking it because of something you have read or seen in any MedCram materials.
Here is what Dr Fauci says about hydroxychloroquine:
When reporters asked Tony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, whether the drug hydroxychloroquine was effective at preventing coronavirus, he said simply: “The answer is no.”
Never disregard professional medical advice. The answer is no. Fauci did throw you a bone, though.
“It’s the hope that it will work, versus proving that it will work,” Fauci said. “So I don’t see big differences here.”
He's so much more nice than I am. Because from all your blather, I say you are a fool, DIY. Every case admitted to hospital in NY receives a prescription for hydroxychloroquine if there is no reason not to. NY just reported its largest single day death tally with 731 dead.
DIY-HP-LED
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And this is my fault? I'm just posting news and media, you are not a very science oriented person your immature ad hominem attacks have no place in a discussion about science, but this is not about science is it? I post shit, it's me and there's nothing wrong with my way of being, I'm happy with it and so are most of the folks I know. I have no concerns about being called a fool by you, your into what I call doggy games, games of social dominance, you don't like to lose an argument and you just lost one, though suck it up foggy.
DIY-HP-LED
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Another great and informative Medcram video, reliable information from an expert
Coronavirus Pandemic Update 51: State by State Projections; Ultrasound to Diagnose COVID19 Pneumonia
Coronavirus Pandemic Update 51: State by State Projections; Ultrasound to Diagnose COVID19 Pneumonia
Fogdog
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Fault? I made no accusations that you are at fault of anything. I'm saying that you are simply forwarding somebody else's bullshit. I didn't say you made it. Bulls do that. You handle it, though, so yes, your hands are dirty.
If hydroxychloroquine were worth all the attention that Trump and breathless woo-woo sciency fans like you give it, don't you think that NY would have shown a benefit? 730 people died yesterday in NY hospitals due to coronavirus and every one of them were given hydroxychloroquine, not that it was why they died, just that they weren't helped, were they? Instead, what is happening is people who really need it are scrambling to fill their prescription and other people are self-prescribing it. No doubt in my mind that more people will die because of the hype.
Medcram is endorsed by the American Conservative University. Anything that comes from them is suspect.
DIY-HP-LED
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If someone gives you a gift and you refuse it, who does it belong to?
It might be best if you just put me on ignore, these kind of accusations are gonna descend into territory we both don't want to go into.
Speak to me if you wish, just keep the ad hominem attacks to yourself, your lack of emotional control is disturbing for one who intellectualizes as much as you.
Fogdog
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Yes, yes, I already know that you can't be quiet when you know nothing.
DIY-HP-LED
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There is no scientific evidence for the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine, it's being used in desperation based on flawed small scale trials and a lot of conjecture. Trump touting it in a desperate attempt to make himself look good, should not affect the outcome of the clinical trials underway now. Don't let Donald's raving about this drug affect you one way or another about its value in helping with covid19, the jury is still out and the calls will be made by scientists and doctors.
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Factbox: U.S. hospitals differ on best use of hydroxychloroquine for coronavirus
(Reuters) - Major hospitals in New York, Louisiana and other areas hit hardest by the coronavirus outbreak are routinely using hydroxychloroquine on patients hospitalized with COVID-19, though robust evidence on whether it works is weeks, if not months, away.Hydroxychloroquine is a treatment for malaria and autoimmune diseases in use since the 1950’s. The related drug chloroquine has been in use even longer, but is considered to be less safe. The drugs can have serious side effects, including vision loss, heart problems or even death, if used incorrectly. Below are examples of how some hospitals are using the therapy:
NORTHWELL HEALTH, NEW YORK
The 23-hospital healthcare system began in late March to use hydroxychloroquine routinely in patients admitted with the sometimes deadly respiratory illness caused by the virus, according to Dr. Kevin Tracey, chief executive of Northwell’s research arm. This was based on preliminary data that “it may be beneficial,” said Chief Pharmacy Officer Onisis Stefas. Hydroxychloroquine is given to patients who have “really no other options,” and have not qualified for clinical trials of other potential coronavirus treatments, he said. Northwell also allows doctors to prescribe it in conjunction with the antibiotic azithromycin on a case by case basis, but that is not standard of care.
NYU LANGONE HEALTH, NEW YORK
NYU has been giving the drug to patients since early March, according to Dr. Michael Belmont, a rheumatologist. Some doctors at NYU are also prescribing azithromycin in combination with hydroxychloroquine, although Belmont said the medical literature he has seen is “insufficient to draw an inference that the combination is especially effective.”
UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA, LOS ANGELES MEDICAL CENTER UCLA has been advising doctors since mid-March to consider hydroxychloroquine for seriously ill COVID-19 patients. “Our recommendation is based on limiting usage, allowing it as a Hail Mary-type treatment for patients who are very sick,” said Dr. Otto Yang, an infectious disease specialist.
UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON MEDICINE
The hospital system advises that severely ill patients should be prescribed hydroxychloroquine if they are not eligible for trials of remdesivir, an experimental antiviral therapy being developed by Gilead Sciences Inc. Gilead earlier this month put compassionate use access to remdesivir on hold due to overwhelming demand. The health system’s treatment guidelines warn that the combination of azithromycin and hydroxychloroquine “has not been rigorously studied; it is unknown if it provides additional benefit. The combination may cause significant cardiac toxicity.”
OCHSNER MEDICAL CENTER, LOUISIANA Louisiana’s largest hospital system is prescribing hydroxychloroquine widely, according to its chief medical officer, Dr Robert Hart. “We have been using this from pretty early in the outbreak to see if this helps,” he said.
LAHEY HOSPITAL & MEDICAL CENTER, MASSACHUSETTS
The hospital system started using hydroxychloroquine around March 27 for inpatient treatment of COVID-19 patients whose oxygen levels drop below a certain level and who have risk factors for severe disease. The system’s protocols take into account patients’ cardiac history and do not advise combining hydroxychloroquine with azithromycin due to the increased risk of heart problems.
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Factbox: U.S. hospitals differ on best use of hydroxychloroquine for coronavirus
Major hospitals in New York, Louisiana and other areas hit hardest by the coronavirus outbreak are routinely using hydroxychloroquine on patients hospitalized with COVID-19, though robust evidence on whether it works is weeks, if not months, away.Hydroxychloroquine is a...
Factbox: U.S. hospitals differ on best use of hydroxychloroquine for coronavirus
(Reuters) - Major hospitals in New York, Louisiana and other areas hit hardest by the coronavirus outbreak are routinely using hydroxychloroquine on patients hospitalized with COVID-19, though robust evidence on whether it works is weeks, if not months, away.Hydroxychloroquine is a treatment for malaria and autoimmune diseases in use since the 1950’s. The related drug chloroquine has been in use even longer, but is considered to be less safe. The drugs can have serious side effects, including vision loss, heart problems or even death, if used incorrectly. Below are examples of how some hospitals are using the therapy:
NORTHWELL HEALTH, NEW YORK
The 23-hospital healthcare system began in late March to use hydroxychloroquine routinely in patients admitted with the sometimes deadly respiratory illness caused by the virus, according to Dr. Kevin Tracey, chief executive of Northwell’s research arm. This was based on preliminary data that “it may be beneficial,” said Chief Pharmacy Officer Onisis Stefas. Hydroxychloroquine is given to patients who have “really no other options,” and have not qualified for clinical trials of other potential coronavirus treatments, he said. Northwell also allows doctors to prescribe it in conjunction with the antibiotic azithromycin on a case by case basis, but that is not standard of care.
NYU LANGONE HEALTH, NEW YORK
NYU has been giving the drug to patients since early March, according to Dr. Michael Belmont, a rheumatologist. Some doctors at NYU are also prescribing azithromycin in combination with hydroxychloroquine, although Belmont said the medical literature he has seen is “insufficient to draw an inference that the combination is especially effective.”
UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA, LOS ANGELES MEDICAL CENTER UCLA has been advising doctors since mid-March to consider hydroxychloroquine for seriously ill COVID-19 patients. “Our recommendation is based on limiting usage, allowing it as a Hail Mary-type treatment for patients who are very sick,” said Dr. Otto Yang, an infectious disease specialist.
UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON MEDICINE
The hospital system advises that severely ill patients should be prescribed hydroxychloroquine if they are not eligible for trials of remdesivir, an experimental antiviral therapy being developed by Gilead Sciences Inc. Gilead earlier this month put compassionate use access to remdesivir on hold due to overwhelming demand. The health system’s treatment guidelines warn that the combination of azithromycin and hydroxychloroquine “has not been rigorously studied; it is unknown if it provides additional benefit. The combination may cause significant cardiac toxicity.”
OCHSNER MEDICAL CENTER, LOUISIANA Louisiana’s largest hospital system is prescribing hydroxychloroquine widely, according to its chief medical officer, Dr Robert Hart. “We have been using this from pretty early in the outbreak to see if this helps,” he said.
LAHEY HOSPITAL & MEDICAL CENTER, MASSACHUSETTS
The hospital system started using hydroxychloroquine around March 27 for inpatient treatment of COVID-19 patients whose oxygen levels drop below a certain level and who have risk factors for severe disease. The system’s protocols take into account patients’ cardiac history and do not advise combining hydroxychloroquine with azithromycin due to the increased risk of heart problems.
It's important that we all get our information from credible and recognized sources. It's also a good way to avoid conflict.
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zeddd
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You have little to no science training and a very poor grasp of medicine. You really should stop posting this shit as people are dying from ingesting fish tank cleaner. Also as a science fan you will know that hydroxychloroquin increases the risk of MI. With Cardiac arrest being one of the secondary symptoms of covid it is probably wise to refrain from recommending it unless it has been approved.