Public Health: Tips and information on how to prepare for the epidemic, avoid illness and protect our communities.

Fogdog

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I never mentioned arsenic, why do you? I don't have much use for chinese medicine, why are you interested in such an esoteric subject?
Perhaps you are trying to lump me in with others?
I stick pretty much to science and what I post on the subject is usually evidence based, like the medcram videos.
I'm mocking you with the arsenic. You are posting videos from a right wing propaganda site and blather on and on about "potential" treatments that have no proven benefits. I understand that you worked for a year in a hospital and therefore consider yourself an expert. I completely understand that you are incapable of controlling your urges to pass on random shit as if it were information. So carry on.

There is no need for anybody to get their information from those videos you post. So, I simply repeat that Medcram is accessed through a website that promotes right wing propaganda and false conspiracy theories. Anything that comes from a site like that is suspect. Suggest to others that AP is a better source for information on this epidemic. This will not stop you from posting random shit. So, expect me to repeat that MedCram is accessed through a website that promotes right wing propaganda and false conspiracy theories. Anything that comes from them is suspect.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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There is no need for anybody to get their information from those videos you post. So, I simply repeat that Medcram is accessed through a website that promotes right wing propaganda and false conspiracy theories. Anything that comes from a site like that is suspect. Suggest to others that AP is a better source for information on this epidemic. This will not stop you from posting random shit. So, expect me to repeat that MedCram is accessed through a website that promotes right wing propaganda and false conspiracy theories. Anything that comes from them is suspect.
I accessed it through youtube and no nothing about the website. Never worked in a hospital though I did spend several months in one after an injury.
I'm going off for now foggy, I've had a bit of a hard time up this way today and I'm in a bit of a fowl mood and not fit company tonight. Some days are a bitch and sitting didn't help.
 

dabby duck

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Are they a cure for Covid-19 too? What the hell have you got to lose?
Apples have a few ~grams of As 33, aka aresenic. Just trying to have a laugh with science. Not at your expense, either. Geez, exercise, quarantined person. Too tightly wound.
 

Fogdog

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Apples have a few ~grams of As 33, aka aresenic. Just trying to have a laugh with science. Not at your expense, either. Geez, exercise, quarantined person. Too tightly wound.
Sorry, along with not understanding woo-woo science, I'm a failure at mind reading.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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There is no need for anybody to get their information from those videos you post. So, I simply repeat that Medcram is accessed through a website that promotes right wing propaganda and false conspiracy theories. Anything that comes from a site like that is suspect. Suggest to others that AP is a better source for information on this epidemic. This will not stop you from posting random shit. So, expect me to repeat that MedCram is accessed through a website that promotes right wing propaganda and false conspiracy theories. Anything that comes from them is suspect.
Perhaps you had better be more specific with your accusations against the Medcram and provide a link before complaining that they provide unreliable information. I went to their site and I could not find a link to the epoch times. So I'm calling bullshit on you, your arguments have nothing to do with facts and every thing to do with "people are saying"

You asked about the qualifications of the doctor making the videos:

"Roger Seheult, MD
MedCram Co-Founder & Instructor
Dr. Seheult is currently an Associate Clinical Professor at the University of California, Riverside School of Medicine and an Assistant Clinical Professor at the School of Medicine and Allied Health at Loma Linda University. In addition to being a preceptor for PA and medical students, Dr. Seheult was the Medical Director for the Physician Assistant Sciences Program at Loma Linda University, the Medical Director for a sleep lab, and the Medical Director for the Crafton Hills College Respiratory Care Program.

His teaching experience goes back to his college days at the University of California, Riverside where he was a tutor in physics and chemistry, and graduated Magna Cum Laude with majors in Chemistry and Biology. He later honed his skills teaching the MCAT, DAT, and USMLE for Kaplan test prep. After graduating from the Loma Linda University School of Medicine in 2000, he completed a residency in Internal Medicine, a chief residency at the Riverside County Regional Medical Center, and a fellowship in Pulmonary and Critical Care Medicine at Loma Linda University.

Roger's current practice is in Banning California where he is a pulmonologist and sleep physician at Beaver Medical Group. He was formerly the Director for Intensive Care Services at San Gorgonio Memorial Hospital. He lectures routinely across the country at conferences and for medical, PA, and RT societies.

Roger is certified in Internal Medicine, Pulmonary Diseases, Critical Care Medicine and Sleep Medicine through the American Board of Internal Medicine."
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To post such a preamble for videos, would be tedious.

I don't know where you accessed medcram and don't really give a fuck, that information is not on their site. Besides, who appointed you gatekeeper here, you are no medical expert either, to the best of my knowledge there are no medical experts here, though there are people who work in healthcare. Look for more Medcram videos, if they are related to covid19, perhaps you should watch a few instead of ignorantly commenting on something you know nothing about. Who are you to vet people's posts or the information they receive?

Stick to the facts foggy, and stop with the "people are saying bullshit", ya sound like Trump, people are saying, that if you access this site thought this particular website... In trying to shit on me, you shit on them too.

Why don't you mount an argument against the efficacy of hot cold therapy, citing some scientific sources. There is a proper study being done on it now and they are recruiting volunteers in your neighborhood, but since ya didn't watch the video I guess ya don't know about it.
 
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DIY-HP-LED

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What's behind this?
Bigotry making a difference in treatment?
High rates of hypertension and diabetes among African Americans causing higher comorbidity?
Vitamin D deficiency, especially prominent in dark skinned people and especially this time of the year?
There are lots of stories like this coming out all over America.

Bigotry is not something you can do much about and hypertension requires medication, vitamin D supplementation and getting as much sun as possible are optional. 30% of the population is black, yet they account for 70% of the deaths.
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African Americans comprise more than 70% of COVID-19 deaths in Chicago, officials say

More than half of the people in Chicago who have contracted COVID-19, the disease caused by coronavirus, and over 70% of those who have died are African Americans, health officials and Mayor Lori Lightfoot said Monday. African Americans make up 30% of the city's population, according to the city's data.

According to data shared by the city on Sunday, 98 people have died from COVID-19 in Chicago. Of those 98 deaths, 67 were African American.

"Fifty-two percent of our cases have been in black Chicagoans, and, most strikingly, 72% of our deaths here in Chicago," Chicago Public Health Department Commissioner Dr. Allison Arwady, said Monday.

In addition, there has been significant under reporting within the Latinx community, CBS Chicago points out. Lightfoot noted that some of the city's more culturally tight-knit communities may be experiencing higher incidents of COVID-19.

"What is turning out to be a positive attribute is turning into a risk factor," Lightfoot said. "We are all in this crisis together, but we are not all experiencing this crisis in the same

Arwady noted that the elderly continue to be at a higher risk to suffer from COVID-19. She added that fewer than 1 in 5 Chicagoans are over the age of 60 and 1 in 12 residents there, about 8%, are over the age of 70.

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The city of Chicago released this graph on Monday, April 6, 2020, that shows the majority of Chicago residents who become infected with COVID-19 are African American.CHICAGO.GOV
"Seventy-one percent of Chicago's COVID-19 deaths have been in people over 60," Arwady said, adding that people with underlying conditions such as chronic lung disease, diabetes and hypertension continue to be most at-risk.

"Diabetes rates among blacks in Chicago are double the rates of what they are for whites in Chicago," Arwady added

Statistically, men in Chicago are more affected by COVID-19 than women, primarily due to their habits and underlying conditions.

"Men, as compared to women, have higher rates of deaths from chronic disease, are less likely to seek medical help, are more likely to smoke and actually are less likely to wash their hands and to use soap," Arwady said.
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DIY-HP-LED

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More random shit, but a good starting place for serious science.
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COVID-19 Is Having A Devastating Impact On African Americans [Infographic]

The number of Americans infected with COVID-19 has soared to approximately 370,000 according to the latest data from the Johns Hopkins University while just under 11,000 fatalities have been recorded. Statistics from several U.S. states and cities now suggest that the coronavirus is proving particularly devastating for African Americans. The most recent figures from Chicago show that African Americans have accounted for 69% of all COVID-19-related deaths despite comprising just 30% of the city's population.

Several U.S. states have also released data highlighting a similar racial disparity. In Louisiana, where the number of infections is approaching 15,000, African Americans account for 32% of the population but comprised more than 70% of all deaths from COVID-19 on April 06. In other states, the figures are not quite as extreme, though the disparity remains highly evident. In Illinois and Michigan, the African American share of the population is 15% and 14% respectively and the group's share of total coronavirus deaths was just over 40% across both states on April 06.

The pandemic is highlighting levels of economic and racial disparity across the country where many African American communities still face barriers to healthcare access. In New Orleans, where close to 60% of all residents are African American, rates of obesity, diabetes and hypertension are all above the national average, placing the population at increased risk of death from COVID-19. Chicago's African American community also has a higher than average level of pre-existing conditions with diabetes, heart disease and respiratory illness all highly prevalent.

Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot said that the situation is "devastating", adding that the figures "take your breath away". On Monday, she stated that an immediate response is required and pledged to launch an aggressive public health campaign aimed at the communities worst impacted by the coronavirus. Remarking on the plan, Lightfoot said that "we can't simply stand by and let this disease wreak havoc in our communities" and that "lives are truly at stake".

*Click below to enlarge (charted by Statista)

COVID-19's Devastating Impact On African Americans
African American share of state/city populations and COVID-19 deaths (as of Apr 06, 2020).

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DIY-HP-LED

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Here is what science has to say about Donald's magic bullet, it was being widely used in hospitals to treat covid19, before donald heard about it. Nobody knows if it's really effective yet because there have been no proper large scale double blinded placebo trials, those are underway now. Here is a pretty good review from a reliable source about the state of research on this controversial drug, see his previous posts too, if you have an interest in this topic.

Some of the comments on the site are quite amusing...
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Hydroxychloroquine Update For April 6
By Derek Lowe 6 April, 2020

There’s a lot of news to catch up on, and to keep things straight I’ll divide the hydroxychloroquine part out into this post, and cover others in the next one. My previous reviews of the clinical data in this area are here.
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Justin-case

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More random shit, but a good starting place for serious science.
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COVID-19 Is Having A Devastating Impact On African Americans [Infographic]

The number of Americans infected with COVID-19 has soared to approximately 370,000 according to the latest data from the Johns Hopkins University while just under 11,000 fatalities have been recorded. Statistics from several U.S. states and cities now suggest that the coronavirus is proving particularly devastating for African Americans. The most recent figures from Chicago show that African Americans have accounted for 69% of all COVID-19-related deaths despite comprising just 30% of the city's population.

Several U.S. states have also released data highlighting a similar racial disparity. In Louisiana, where the number of infections is approaching 15,000, African Americans account for 32% of the population but comprised more than 70% of all deaths from COVID-19 on April 06. In other states, the figures are not quite as extreme, though the disparity remains highly evident. In Illinois and Michigan, the African American share of the population is 15% and 14% respectively and the group's share of total coronavirus deaths was just over 40% across both states on April 06.

The pandemic is highlighting levels of economic and racial disparity across the country where many African American communities still face barriers to healthcare access. In New Orleans, where close to 60% of all residents are African American, rates of obesity, diabetes and hypertension are all above the national average, placing the population at increased risk of death from COVID-19. Chicago's African American community also has a higher than average level of pre-existing conditions with diabetes, heart disease and respiratory illness all highly prevalent.

Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot said that the situation is "devastating", adding that the figures "take your breath away". On Monday, she stated that an immediate response is required and pledged to launch an aggressive public health campaign aimed at the communities worst impacted by the coronavirus. Remarking on the plan, Lightfoot said that "we can't simply stand by and let this disease wreak havoc in our communities" and that "lives are truly at stake".

*Click below to enlarge (charted by Statista)

COVID-19's Devastating Impact On African Americans 's Devastating Impact On African Americans
African American share of state/city populations and COVID-19 deaths (as of Apr 06, 2020).

STATISTA
It's the trump virus of course it's racist.

Kidding, sounds like black communities may have been targeted by Russian disinformation though.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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It's the trump virus of course it's racist.

Kidding, sounds like black communities may have been targeted by Russian disinformation though.
There are an awful lot of black folks dying from this in disproportionate numbers, someone will need to take a deep dive into the data, when more is known. But that's not to say that someone shouldn't look into bigotry as a factor, or vitamin D deficiency, before the evidence is all in, one would need immediate attention and the other would be a wise and harmless precaution based on evidence of widespread deficiency.

This appears to be a very real effect and not disinformation, though if the racists assholes get the idea that it kills more black people than white... It's all over the news and is being reported by many reliable sources.
 

Justin-case

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There are an awful lot of black folks dying from this in disproportionate numbers, someone will need to take a deep dive into the data, when more is known. But that's not to say that someone shouldn't look into bigotry as a factor, or vitamin D deficiency, before the evidence is all in, one would need immediate attention and the other would be a wise and harmless precaution based on evidence of widespread deficiency.

This appears to be a very real effect and not disinformation, though if the racists assholes get the idea that it kills more black people than white... It's all over the news and is being reported by many reliable sources.

They've been at this awhile. I've also read about them organizing BLM protests using social media. The Russians have discovered a powerful weapon of disinformation to use against the most vulnerable in our society. Imagine wielding the power spread disease upon your enemy with a fucking meme. Although many Americans are dumb enough to believe much of the foreign propaganda, I still believe they've underestimated Americans laziness if they were hoping for some kind of civil disturbance.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Ten Weeks to Crush the Curve
  • Harvey V. Fineberg, M.D., Ph.D.
he President says we are at war with the coronavirus. It’s a war we should fight to win.

The economy is in the tank, and anywhere from thousands to more than a million American lives are in jeopardy. Most analyses of options and trade-offs assume that both the pandemic and the economic setback must play out over a period of many months for the pandemic and even longer for economic recovery. However, as the economists would say, there is a dominant option, one that simultaneously limits fatalities and gets the economy cranking again in a sustainable way.


That choice begins with a forceful, focused campaign to eradicate Covid-19 in the United States. The aim is not to flatten the curve; the goal is to crush the curve. China did this in Wuhan. We can do it across this country in 10 weeks.

And with enough intelligence about the enemy — where the virus lurks, how quickly it is moving, where it is most threatening, and what its vulnerabilities are — we can begin to re-energize the economy without putting additional lives at risk.

If we take these six steps to mobilize and organize the nation, we can defeat Covid-19 by early June.

1. Establish unified command. The President should surprise his critics and appoint a commander who reports directly to the President. This person must have the President’s full confidence and must earn the confidence of the American people. This is not a coordinator across agencies. This commander carries the full power and authority of the American President to mobilize every civilian and military asset needed to win the war. Ask every governor to appoint an individual state commander with similar statewide authority. The diversity of our nation and the various stages of the epidemic in different regions allow us to target responses to specific places and times, deploy and redeploy limited national supplies where they can do the most good, and learn from experience as we go.

2. Make millions of diagnostic tests available. Not everyone needs to be tested, but everyone with symptoms does. The nation needs to gear up to perform millions of diagnostic tests in the next 2 weeks. This was key to success in South Korea. Every decision about managing cases depends on sound medical evaluation and the results of diagnostic tests. Without diagnostic tests, we cannot trace the scope of the outbreak. Use creative ways to mobilize the nation’s research laboratories to assist with population screening; refer persons who screen positive for further evaluation. Organize dedicated clinical test sites in every community that are physically apart from other care centers, such as the drive-through test centers that have begun to spring up.

3. Supply health workers with PPE and equip hospitals to care for a surge in severely ill patients. Ample supplies of PPE (personal protective equipment) should be standard issue to every U.S. health worker who is in the front lines caring for patients and testing for infection. We wouldn’t send soldiers into battle without ballistic vests; health workers on the front lines of this war deserve no less. Regional distribution centers should rapidly deploy ventilators and other needed equipment from the national stockpile to hospitals with the greatest need. Despite everyone’s best efforts, in areas hardest hit, crisis standards of care will need to be put into effect to make ethically sound, unavoidable decisions about the use of available equipment and supplies.

4. Differentiate the population into five groups and treat accordingly. We first need to know who is infected; second, who is presumed to be infected (i.e., persons with signs and symptoms consistent with infection who initially test negative); third, who has been exposed; fourth, who is not known to have been exposed or infected; and fifth, who has recovered from infection and is adequately immune. We should act on the basis of symptoms, examinations, tests (currently, polymerase-chain-reaction assays to detect viral RNA), and exposures to identify those who belong in each of the first four groups. Hospitalize those with severe disease or at high risk. Establish infirmaries by utilizing empty convention centers, for example, to care for those with mild or moderate disease and at low risk; an isolation infirmary for all patients will decrease transmission to family members. Convert now-empty hotels into quarantine centers to house those who have been exposed, and separate them from the general population for 2 weeks; this kind of quarantine will remain practical until and unless the epidemic has exploded in a particular city or region. Being able to identify the fifth group — those who were previously infected, have recovered, and are adequately immune — requires development, validation, and deployment of antibody-based tests. This would be a game-changer in restarting parts of the economy more quickly and safely.

5. Inspire and mobilize the public. In this all-out effort, everyone has a part to play and virtually everyone is willing. We have begun to unleash American ingenuity in creating new treatments and a vaccine, providing a greater variety and number of diagnostic tests, and using the power of information technology, social media, artificial intelligence, and high-speed computing to devise novel solutions. These efforts should be intensified. Everyone can help reduce the risk of exposure and support their friends and neighbors in this critical time. After all health workers have the masks they need, the U.S. Postal Service and willing private companies can join to deliver surgical masks and hand sanitizer to every American household. If everyone wears a surgical mask outside the home, those who are presymptomatic and infected will be less likely to spread the infection to others. And if everyone wears a mask, no stigma is attached.

6. Learn while doing through real-time, fundamental research. Clinical care would be vastly improved by effective antiviral treatment, and every plausible avenue should be investigated. We did it with HIV; now, we need to do it faster with SARS-CoV-2. Clinicians need better predictors of which patient’s condition is prone to deteriorate rapidly or who may go on to die. Decisions to shape the public health response and to restart the economy should be guided by science. If we learn how many people have been infected and whether they are now immune, we may determine it’s safe for them to return to their jobs and resume more normal activities. Is it safe for others to return to work? That depends on the level of infection still ongoing, on the nature of possible exposures in the workplace, and on reliable screening and rapid detection of new cases. Can schools safely reopen? That depends on what we learn about children as transmitters of the virus to their teachers, parents, and grandparents. How dangerous are contaminated spaces and surfaces? That depends on the survival of virus under different environmental conditions and on various materials.

If we take this concerted and determined approach and are guided by science, we can begin to revive businesses of all kinds, including airlines, hotels, restaurants, and entertainment venues. By putting cash in peoples’ pockets over the next couple of months, protecting small businesses, and releasing constraints on credit, the President, Congress, and the Federal Reserve will have positioned the economy to come roaring back — once the virus is out of the picture.
If we do this, we can relieve Americans of avoidable grief and loss, play our part in the global struggle against Covid-19, and be in a stronger position to help other countries. If we persist with half-measures against the coronavirus, we risk saddling the economy with a long-term and avoidable burden of anxious consumers, illness, higher medical costs, and constricted business activity.
While we strive to overcome the immediate epidemic, we should take steps to be better equipped to deal with the coronavirus over time and with other emerging threats in the 21st century. A safe and effective vaccine will help protect everyone and serve as a bulwark against reintroduction of the virus from other parts of the world. Reinvigorating the public health infrastructure will strengthen national, state, and local capacities to respond to future threats. Devising accurate predictive models for emerging infections will vastly improve preparedness.
Rather than stumble through a series of starts and stops and half-measures on both the health and the economic fronts, we should forge a strategy to defeat the coronavirus and open the way to economic revival. If we act immediately, we can make the anniversary of D-Day on June 6, 2020, the day America declares victory over the coronavirus.
Disclosure forms provided by the author are available with the full text of this editorial at NEJM.org.
The views expressed are those of the author and do not necessarily represent the views of any organization with which he is affiliated.
This editorial was published on April 1, 2020, at NEJM.org.

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From the Gordon and Betty Moore Foundation, Palo Alto, CA, and the National Academies Standing Committee on Emerging Infectious Diseases and 21st Century Health Threats, Washington, DC.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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They've been at this awhile. I've also read about them organizing BLM protests using social media. The Russians have discovered a powerful weapon of disinformation to use against the most vulnerable in our society. Imagine wielding the power spread disease upon your enemy with a fucking meme. Although many Americans are dumb enough to believe much of the foreign propaganda, I still believe they've underestimated Americans laziness if they were hoping for some kind of civil disturbance.
Yep I agree on the Russian efforts and they will use these facts in their disinformation. The facts themselves are alarming and explanations or mitigation are needed immediately, we'll only get accurate answers after the deaths and the data, there is a very wide range margin in the data, it's as wide as the gap in mortality rates between blacks and whites. I say fuck the Russians and stick to the facts and those facts need serious looking into at this point in time. This is an indication of trouble for African Americans and much of it might be resolved with vitamin D supplementation, no harm in trying until the answers are found. I wonder if they are checking the serum vitamin D levels of people as part of the lab work on admission. Vitamin D might not be a big factor in this data, once it has been compiled and analyzed, written up, peer reviewed and published, a process that could take months, months of death and misery.
 
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Justin-case

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Yep I agree on the Russian efforts and they will use these facts in there disinformation. The facts themselves are alarming and explanations or mitigation are needed immediately, we'll only get accurate answers after the deaths and the data, there is a very wide range margin in the data, it's as wide as the gap in mortality rates between blacks and whites. I say fuck the Russians and stick to the facts and those facts need serious looking into at this point in time. This is an indication of trouble for African Americans and much of it might be resolved with vitamin D supplementation, no harm in trying until the answers are found. I wonder if they are checking the serum vitamin D levels of people as part of the lab work on admission. Vitamin D might not be a big factor in this data, once it has been compiled and analyzed, written up, peer reviewed and published, a process that could take months, months of death and misery.
I think it will resolve in rates of underlying Medical conditions, population density, and local response.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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I think it will resolve in rates of underlying Medical conditions, population density, and local response.
Those are factors too and all will have to be accounted for, bigotry in treatment might be an issue, but there are lots of African Americans working in hospitals as doctors, nurses and respiratory therapists, hard to see them putting up with such bullshit.

Like I said this needs a deep dive into the data and I'm sure it's gonna get the full "treatment" eventually, my concerns are more immediate and I figure if a base needs to be covered (Vitamin D) it should. Vitamin D is very important for respiratory tract immunity and soon there will be lots of sunlight. I'm not a vitamin freak, it just makes sense to supplement vitamin D, especially if you don't get much sunlight on your hide, whether that hide be black, white or some shade in between. Old people are the most deficient in vitamin D and they don't get much sun either.
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Vitamin D Deficiency
 

hanimmal

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I think it will resolve in rates of underlying Medical conditions, population density, and local response.
Cities with lots of cars/factories have lots of asthma, and respiratory issues that are due to the pollution being dumped into the atmosphere which is deadly with this virus. Also like mentioned the density means much closer proximity to others so easier spread, a lot of the major cities are also hubs for airports/business travel, so the virus easily travelled in. And the long ass voting lines right during the start of the pandemic wasn't helpful at all in minority communities due to chronic underfunding of their voting infrastructure.

Add in a couple week of hard propaganda being fed directly to the minority populations by the racist/right/Foreign trolls that the couldn't catch this virus and it is easy to see how it will be hammering these communities.

And now the trolling will likely switch to the voter suppression effort of your government doesn't care about you so don't vote, they are trying to kill you by staying in long lines.
 
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