April 2020: What are the BEST flowering COB's right now?

Morbid Angel

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For dedicated Flowering / Bloom Boosting. There are so many out right now. What are you guys / gals using and what would you use if you where going to build with todays current LED?

Interested in COB for the deeper penetration they offer over the 'blanket' the strip mods offer.

I am currently considering these by Luminus. 2700K, 90CRI, 115lm/W, Vf 34.8, 2.4a
 

Morbid Angel

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Penetration is a result of diffusion, not point-source intensity. There's a reason COBs aren't as popular as they used to be.

“Allowing More Light via Diffuse Cover Materials Stimulates Growth of Shade-Tolerant Pot Plants without Compromising Plant Quality“

Hmm so how come phosphorous coated covers are not being used to further diffuse led strip mods in the grow room? Or is this the trend yet to come.
 

Morbid Angel

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Ok. So in order to avoid starting a new thread, what currently is the LED standard to beat?

if money was no issue, what LED’s command the current throne of the DIY community as of April 2020?
 

Humple

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“Allowing More Light via Diffuse Cover Materials Stimulates Growth of Shade-Tolerant Pot Plants without Compromising Plant Quality“

Hmm so how come phosphorous coated covers are not being used to further diffuse led strip mods in the grow room? Or is this the trend yet to come.
Increased diffusion can be accomplished with the use of diffusing lenses. Some manufacturers of ready-made fixtures use them.

Ok. So in order to avoid starting a new thread, what currently is the LED standard to beat?

if money was no issue, what LED’s command the current throne of the DIY community as of April 2020?
I understand ChilLED's new Growcraft strip lights are going to be available as DIY components (they may already be selling them that way, but I'm too lazy at the moment to check their website). For spectrum and efficiency, I think most people would consider them front-runners.
 

Morbid Angel

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ummmm "best" maybe @Grow Lights Australia i havent used them though.

DIY strips are a really great option...maybe have a look at some of those - there are lots

i hope, unlike me, you can read a data sheet. think i might be DIYslexic
well that’s the thing. You go to DigiKey or Arrow and there is literally thousands.

there are obviously favourites among the diy grow community such as Samsung F series just like there was/is with cobs.
Was only a year or two ago that anyone touting anything less than a Cree 3590 3500k CD bin was running shit with the exception of a few contenders like Vero and the up and coming at the time Citizen

so what’s this look like today? What’s the hottest shit?

Are there strip mods like that are >90cri and put out like my apprentice at 2:30pm on a Friday?
 

Rocket Soul

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For bloom: your bang on that 2700k 90cri rocks flower. But cobs have a thermal problem: your putting a lot of watts into a small chip that need big heatsinks.

Strips: if by penetration you mean how fast light will decrease as you increase distance from the light source; strips are actually better for this, i know its counter intuitive but cobs are more like point sources, suffer more from the inverse square law. I was surprised to see it myself irl. Also, its harderr to get hanging height right mixing cobs with strips. But they can be really neat for corners as strips tend to lack light around there.

GLA has a very nice spectrum and good specs, adding some uv to the mix. Or_gro, a forumer who left, did a few side by sides, maxed out, and the general agreement was that the GLA boards won over various boards.
Theres some strips at cutter electronics that seem to copy the spectrum, could be another good option. The only thing is that this spectrum might not be completely vegg friendly, especially if you dont like stretch. You could add on a few coldwhite strips on a second driver to have flexibility.

For cobs: bridgelux vero29, gen 8, is being released now. 2700k 90 cri is probably not the first spectrum to hit digikey. Luminous have good performance aswell, but i think youve been looking at smaller 18mm cobs. No bueno, the bigger the better. For more info on luminous cobs id checl with @CobKits he has them.

Side point: there is a lot of love for cobs from growers, timber growlights made some board lights but went back to cobs cause of popular demand. But from a spec and ease of build its hard to see why. We tried high power cobs, 100w and didnt like theem.
 
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CobKits

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For cobs: bridgelux vero29, gen 8, is being released now. 2700k 90 cri is probably not the first spectrum to hit digikey. Luminus have good performance aswell, but i think youve been looking at smaller 18mm cobs. No bueno, the bigger the better. For more info on luminus cobs id checl with @CobKits he has them.
ill checkout those veros when i can. time for a new shootout.
the luminus gen 4s are about 6-8% more efficient than the gen 3s

FWIW no 'o' in Luminus (not nitpicking, thought that correction would be useful for search feature tho)
 

zep_lover

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i still run my cxb3590's @3500k.i have two of kingbite 2019 qb knockoffs with eepi 660 and uv and ir that do almost as good as my cxbs.i just bought some v2 red spec budget led lights that look better than the kingbrites.i just put the budget led on its first plant so no real opinion till 9 weeks from now.the cxbs are 50 watts per cob with lens.the kingbrite is two three board lights being driven off one 320 watt meanwell.the budget is three board being run off 320 watt meanwell.the cobs with lens did better last run than the king brites for looks but kingbrite beat them by 14 grams.the king brites have been moved closer this run since no lens could be why they looked not as close internodes as the cxbs.all work well so the best deal is what i would go with!i spent a little more for american company since they are in my state!
 

rocho

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Strips: if by penetration you mean how fast light will decrease as you increase distance from the light source; strips are actually better for this, i know its counter intuitive but cobs are more like point sources, suffer more from the inverse square law. .
Hi, do you take any instrumental measures about that? So we could say quantum bar and board has more penetration then COB..or better sayd COB are more susceptible to panel distance?
 

Rocket Soul

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Hi, do you take any instrumental measures about that? So we could say quantum bar and board has more penetration then COB..or better sayd COB are more susceptible to panel distance?
I think penetration as a concept is a bit of a growbro myth.
In general: the more pointlike a light is the more it will throw light in every direction, which means inverse square law of light intensity: light levels decrease faster as you move away from the light.
When loads of pointlike light sources are organised in an array; like boards or strips, the light under it will decrease more slowly as you increase distance due to having crosslight from the other point sources.

Penetration as a concept: seems like people are mainly talking about big proper buds on lower branches. This has very little to do with the light source and more to do with how much energy the plant has when it goes to flower, how long its been vegged and how many roots. Think of it like this: if the plant recieves all available light in the top layer or all the way thru the plants cannopy, the total amount of light the plant recieves: does it really change? The light is putting out the same amount of light so how would the total amount of photosynthesis change?
Ive seen nice 5g buds 24" down the cannopy where ppfd was about 50, way too low to build proper bud. Lightlevels in lower parts of cannopy doesnt really mean that much to the plant.
 
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