Lockdowns don't work.

abandonconflict

Well-Known Member
The virus enters and replicates in cells with ace2 receptors, so lung epithelium, Intestine, blood vessels, lymph vessels and CNS. Is your point: the real rate of infection is unknown therefore the R rate is unreliable?
My point with that argument was specific to Danes. The part about oxidative stress is relavant to that due to the fact that relevant comorbidities may occur at lower rates in the population of Denmark. Since all we have to go on are confirmed cases, Denmark or any country may simply have fewer or more people in its population with such comorbidities which would cause clinically apparent infection. Yes, part of my point is that the reproductive rate is unknown. I suggest that it is very high and that seroprevalence is also already very high and that those most susceptible are becoming infected through community spread that is well beyond control. Some populations are younger and fitter and have lower rates of coronary disease than others. My argument is that instead of the R0, we should be looking at the prevalence of comorbidities to explain case growth, particularly in such places where the rate of infection isn't known.

It is coming out in studies that much of the death and many of the cases showing clinically apparent infection (everywhere) are related to the coronary damage being done by the virus. Much more so than the lungs. Even in many patients showing pulmonary distress, it is often found that there is enough functional lung tissue to deliver oxygen and that ventilators often aren't saving people. It's a whole interesting debate on its own but it's true that the latest medical findings indicate this. I would highly recommend following the latest medical findings. They do in fact suggest that it's primarily a circulatory disease. It's still not 100% understood. Only one in five of those who have critical cases have no apparent underlying cardiopulmonary condition or diabetes.

I'm indeed arguing, "what if that's why?". And yes, a premise here is that we really don't know the infection rate.
 

abandonconflict

Well-Known Member
6.59 × 1131452 =‬ 7,456,268 cases in the USA
LOL

No.

1,131,452 = 6.59% of total. but that's assuming detection rates haven't changed on a daily basis, which they almost certainly have gone way down.

The math you're looking for, assuming 6.59% detection rate with today's number of confirmed cases is (6.59/100)1,131,452 = 17,169,227

Like I said, the detection rate has almost certainly decreased, meaning far more infections than that. You're going to have to wait for the NIH seroprevalence study.
 
Last edited:

peterstoke

Well-Known Member
So you believe in the flat earth theory I believe, from glancing at your posts. Got issues with astronomy too apparently?
Perhaps you believe covid-19 is a hoax?
Flat earth is not a theory, it's a fact. Yeah. Space is fake. nasa lies all of the moon landings were filmed inside a holly wood studio. and yes corona virus is a hoax. all of the hospitals are empty. nobody is dying. it's all bullshit made up by the news and the government
 

DIY-HP-LED

Well-Known Member
@DIY-HP-LED

In worldometers, you can see tests per million on the excel and I think you can see it going back by date. I'm not sure how the math would look, but it's probably possible to roughly estimate detection rates. I know in the Bommer/Volmer study, they made a whole statistical analysis in order to get those numbers, so maybe it's not enough info to make an inference, but like I said, the detection rate has almost certainly gone way down in the US since the study so maybe use that 17million figure as a low end of a range estimate to say the number of infected is at least that much.

Think of the population as a big giant pot of stew. The number of tests conducted is like the size of your ladle. If you're going in with a bigger ladle and still pulling up big servings, or if you're still using the same size ladle and getting smaller servings every pull, somehow you can infer how much is left in the pot. Like I said, I don't know how that math looks, I just read the studies carefully to know how to do the math, I don't formulate them myself.
Outbreaks in America are somewhat clustered and will probably range from 2% in some regions and like in NYC at 25%, like you said we need to wait for the data. America is still a long way from herd immunity and if the mortality rate holds around .5%, the total deaths could top a million, unless treatment options mitigate this. I hope someone will convince Trump that treatment options will keep his "numbers" down and reopen the economy, if he gets out of the fucking way something might get done!

Remove the fear by dropping mortality rates to flu like levels with treatments, it is people who make the economy work and they need to have the fear reduced or removed. I believe there is mounting evidence that we can do this with treatment options over the course of the summer. People will climb on planes again and take vacations, the deals will be fantastic and when greed overcomes fear you're back in business, though the economic carnage will be immense.
 

DIY-HP-LED

Well-Known Member
Flat earth is not a theory, it's a fact. Yeah. Space is fake. nasa lies all of the moon landings were filmed inside a holly wood studio. and yes corona virus is a hoax. all of the hospitals are empty. nobody is dying. it's all bullshit made up by the news and the government
Well yer gonna have fun defending those contentions here, unless yer just tolling and aren't actually that stupid. I think I'll sit back and watch ya get yer bones picked clean.

PS. Don't drink and Clorox y'all here!

Ya think you would post more about pot since ya just joined a pot forum.
peterstoke
Active Member · 37
Joined Mar 29, 2020
 

peterstoke

Well-Known Member
Well yer gonna have fun defending those contentions here, unless yer just tolling and aren't actually that stupid. I think I'll sit back and watch ya get yer bones picked clean.

PS.Don't drink and Clorox y'all here!

Ya think you would post more about pot since ya just joined a pot forum.
peterstoke
Active Member · 37
Joined Mar 29, 2020
i have been posting about pot every single day dude lol and i would never drink clorox lol i'm not that stupid haha.
 

DIY-HP-LED

Well-Known Member
i have been posting about pot every single day dude lol and i would never drink clorox lol i'm not that stupid haha.
Another warning, don't build a rocket in your backyard to find out either, many mountains exceed 5000 ft and a lot of em have look offs and parking places too.
 

DIY-HP-LED

Well-Known Member
i have been posting about pot every single day dude lol and i would never drink clorox lol i'm not that stupid haha.

A Daredevil Flat-Earther Died After Attempting To Launch Himself 5,000 Feet With A Homemade Rocket
"Mad" Mike Hughes at times said his rocket launches aimed to prove the Earth's shape, but a representative told BuzzFeed News that was all for publicity.
 

peterstoke

Well-Known Member

A Daredevil Flat-Earther Died After Attempting To Launch Himself 5,000 Feet With A Homemade Rocket
"Mad" Mike Hughes at times said his rocket launches aimed to prove the Earth's shape, but a representative told BuzzFeed News that was all for publicity.
That dude was a clown, he didn't even represent flat earth. he got paid to put that sticker on the side of his rocket. You can get in a air plane and go 40,000 feet high and see there's no curvature. so his rocket idea was a waste of time and his life lol
 

zeddd

Well-Known Member
That dude was a clown, he didn't even represent flat earth. he got paid to put that sticker on the side of his rocket. You can get in a air plane and go 40,000 feet high and see there's no curvature. so his rocket idea was a waste of time and his life lol
Do you believe in gravity?
 

Budley Doright

Well-Known Member
That dude was a clown, he didn't even represent flat earth. he got paid to put that sticker on the side of his rocket. You can get in a air plane and go 40,000 feet high and see there's no curvature. so his rocket idea was a waste of time and his life lol
Can you, in great detail, post why you feel this virus is a hoax. Please include all relevant citation, thank you!
 
Top