Is Gay Marriage Really That Big Deal?

VTXDave

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Just try speaking like a compassionate human being, that is all. There is no need to show your elitist attitude and down people that don't. It is very simple, treat people the way you want to be treated. I taught my children this at an early age, so surely an adult can understand this.
I'll ask it again...Would responding to people with "fuck you too" and "you're an asshole" or "you're an idiot" be more along the lines of how I should engage others? Methinks you're not so fond of sharp, cutting "wit" as opposed to direct insults toward others. My "wit" tends to render a response of "fuck you"...But that is not surprising considering the party(s) on the receiving end. My wife and I discuss politics almost daily. We discuss issues. We take our politics seriously and we seriously question each other when we disagree. Sometimes, the discussion can get rather...heh heh..."animated" if you get my drift. We read, we analyze, we scrutinize. Seamaiden tends to wax much more verbose than I as she is a master "wordcrafter". I was attracted to her from the get go due to her sharp, accurate intellect. She can match wits with the best of them. Most people are threatened by that. I am not. I admire that trait. As opposed to her verbiage...I tend to be a "hammer" that tends to hit the nail on the head. Oh well. 8)
 

Sunnysideup

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I'll ask it again...Would responding to people with "fuck you too" and "you're an asshole" or "you're an idiot" be more along the lines of how I should engage others? Methinks you're not so fond of sharp, cutting "wit" as opposed to direct insults toward others. My "wit" tends to render a response of "fuck you"...But that is not surprising considering the party(s) on the receiving end. My wife and I discuss politics almost daily. We discuss issues. We take our politics seriously and we seriously question each other when we disagree. Sometimes, the discussion can get rather...heh heh..."animated" if you get my drift. We read, we analyze, we scrutinize. Seamaiden tends to wax much more verbose than I as she is a master "wordcrafter". I was attracted to her from the get go due to her sharp, accurate intellect. She can match wits with the best of them. Most people are threatened by that. I am not. I admire that trait. As opposed to her verbiage...I tend to be a "hammer" that tends to hit the nail on the head. Oh well. 8)
It is NOT sharp cutting wit, as you like to put it...I read your posts as well as Seamaidens. It always goes the same way, you both talk 'normal' until someone disagrees, and then you pull out a dictionary and proceed to try to baffle the person you are disputing with....
btw, if you ever said fuck you to me I would ask that you get infraction. I don't speak to you that way and I expect the same courtesy.
 

ZenMaster

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If you can't handle the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

The politics section is utterly different from the rest of the forum. Here, everything you stand for will be scrutinized, questioned, and subject to ridicule. This territory is free game.

I have a completely different persona when I visit the other sub-forums on RIU, toke'n'talk, music, philosophy, ...ect. However, when I come here I put on my game face and discuss important issues and generally cast my opinion on them.

You may be carefree when visiting RIU and the politics section, FDD, but you can't expect everyone to be the same. Some people take it seriously and when you assert your opinions publicly you are basically signing a waver that allows your opinion to be analyzed and challenged. Sometimes it may not be in the most respectful manner however that is just how it is.
 

Sunnysideup

Well-Known Member
I'll ask it again...Would responding to people with "fuck you too" and "you're an asshole" or "you're an idiot" be more along the lines of how I should engage others? Methinks you're not so fond of sharp, cutting "wit" as opposed to direct insults toward others. My "wit" tends to render a response of "fuck you"...But that is not surprising considering the party(s) on the receiving end. My wife and I discuss politics almost daily. We discuss issues. We take our politics seriously and we seriously question each other when we disagree. Sometimes, the discussion can get rather...heh heh..."animated" if you get my drift. We read, we analyze, we scrutinize. Seamaiden tends to wax much more verbose than I as she is a master "wordcrafter". I was attracted to her from the get go due to her sharp, accurate intellect. She can match wits with the best of them. Most people are threatened by that. I am not. I admire that trait. As opposed to her verbiage...I tend to be a "hammer" that tends to hit the nail on the head. Oh well. 8)
Again, you can't get your point across without be belittling.....:roll:
 

Johnnyorganic

Well-Known Member
You're funny Johnny.

I'm funnier.
Yeah, but looks don't count. Seriously though, good work. +rep. I'm touched that you would expend so much time and effort dedicated to me.

That is pretty funny. It would have been hilarious if it were accurate. FDD hasn't spanked me, yet.

That GED computer course did you some good after all.
 

VTXDave

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...and then you pull out a dictionary and proceed to try to baffle the person you are disputing with....
We don't need to pull out the dictionary. We type precisely as we talk.

btw, if you ever said fuck you to me I would ask that you get infraction. I don't speak to you that way and I expect the same courtesy.
I fail to see how you construed what I said as an implication that I'd would be so inclined. That was not my intent, nor do I rarely engage in such tactics save for a select few. I was asking you, since you disapprove of my demeanor here, would it be more acceptable if I was to adopt the same tactics that several other members here freely utilize. Are you equally as critical of those members that tell other members to STFU, or "fuck off", or "fuck you", and the like, or do you give your tacit approval when such insults are slung toward individuals that you disagree with?
 

fdd2blk

Well-Known Member
If you can't handle the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

The politics section is utterly different from the rest of the forum. Here, everything you stand for will be scrutinized, questioned, and subject to ridicule. This territory is free game.

I have a completely different persona when I visit the other sub-forums on RIU, toke'n'talk, music, philosophy, ...ect. However, when I come here I put on my game face and discuss important issues and generally cast my opinion on them.

You may be carefree when visiting RIU and the politics section, FDD, but you can't expect everyone to be the same. Some people take it seriously and when you assert your opinions publicly you are basically signing a waver that allows your opinion to be analyzed and challenged. Sometimes it may not be in the most respectful manner however that is just how it is.

it went outside of the politics section. just happened to come out here. sorry. :peace:
people still need to be respectable.
 

Sunnysideup

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I fail to see how you construed what I said as an implication that I'd would be so inclined. That was not my intent, nor do I rarely engage in such tactics save for a select few. I was asking you, since you disapprove of my demeanor here, would it be more acceptable if I was to adopt the same tactics that several other members here freely utilize. Are you equally as critical of those members that tell other members to STFU, or "fuck off", or "fuck you", and the like, or do you give your tacit approval when such insults are slung toward individuals that you disagree with?
I guess this quote made me feel you would be inclined to do such a thing....
Would responding to people with "fuck you too" and "you're an asshole" or "you're an idiot" be more along the lines of how I should engage others? Methinks you're not so fond of sharp, cutting "wit" as opposed to direct insults toward others.
You talk in circles and throw in a few big words...Sorry, it doesn't impress me...not in the least...
Several pages back someone asked if anyone else was seeing this....I replied....if you don't like my reply, then move on...
As far as being critical to others that choose to engage in these activities...I don't care, I move on. Now if I am asked an opinion on their behavior and I want to answer, well then yes I will give my opinion.
Now I am moving on from this thread so it can proceed to where it belongs...but if anyone ever asks for an opinion about you or your wife again, I will give it....
Have a nice night.
 

VTXDave

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Several pages back someone asked if anyone else was seeing this....I replied....if you don't like my reply, then move on...
Wrong...You addressed me directly in response to my reply to NorthWestBuds, not you. I was addressing him, not you, and you decided to chime in, correct? If you address me directly, expect a response from me. That's not too terribly difficult to comprehend, is it?
 

Sunnysideup

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Wrong...You addressed me directly in response to my reply to NorthWestBuds, not you. I was addressing him, not you, and you decided to chime in, correct? If you address me directly, expect a response from me. That's not too terribly difficult to comprehend, is it?
Oh Dave don't get so technical, chill...
Actually NorthWestrBuds was responding to the said question from the previous page....I found your response to the said question that he answered to be an excellent example of why some feel the way they do.
Thank you for offering to explain it me though, that is what love and peace and all that good stuff is all about...your the man.
Again, I am not jacking this thread any further. If you want to get to know me better you can find me in the Wake n Bake thread every morning.
I am now apologizing to the OP for being so rude and I am encouraging all to please get back in the discussion of the gay marriage school issue.
 

Wikidbchofthewst

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It is these types of statements that make people defensive...I personally avoid any thread I see either of you in....why? Because I come here NOT to watch my grammar, but, to converse and learn....IMO you both have a way of making people feel stupid....When I read both of your posts I always feel like you are doing us a favor by responding...So, for me, I just stay away....
Not trying to offend, just speaking my mind....
Sunny, I have to thank you for bringing this up, because it's been bugging me for a while. And it's not just Seamaiden and VTXDave that do this.

When you are arguing or debating with someone, whatever the topic, if you have to sink to attacking his/her SPELLING or GRAMMAR, then you must not have anything better to say. I'm sorry, but nit picking at someone's incorrect grammar because you have no better rebuttal is pretty lame if you ask me.

I'm not saying it's cool if someone's post is so fucktarded you can't understand it, but for example, I read some post where VTXDave made some condescending little remark because fdd used "write" instead of "right" (or vice versa...can't remember...)

Really? Are we such children that we're going to pick on each other over typo's, KNOWING that this is a marijuana growing forum where the vast majority of us are stoned at any given time?

I'll ask it again...Would responding to people with "fuck you too" and "you're an asshole" or "you're an idiot" be more along the lines of how I should engage others? Methinks you're not so fond of sharp, cutting "wit" as opposed to direct insults toward others. My "wit" tends to render a response of "fuck you"...But that is not surprising considering the party(s) on the receiving end. My wife and I discuss politics almost daily. We discuss issues. We take our politics seriously and we seriously question each other when we disagree. Sometimes, the discussion can get rather...heh heh..."animated" if you get my drift. We read, we analyze, we scrutinize. Seamaiden tends to wax much more verbose than I as she is a master "wordcrafter". I was attracted to her from the get go due to her sharp, accurate intellect. She can match wits with the best of them. Most people are threatened by that. I am not. I admire that trait. As opposed to her verbiage...I tend to be a "hammer" that tends to hit the nail on the head. Oh well. 8)
wit1

–noun
1. the keen perception and cleverly apt expression of those connections between ideas that awaken amusement and pleasure.
2. speech or writing showing such perception and expression.
3. a person having or noted for such perception and expression.
4. understanding, intelligence, or sagacity; astuteness.

Nowhere in that definition does it mention being condescending or insulting. I will admit, you sure can talk pretty, but do you really need to be so abrasive? Why can't we debate the issues and treat each other with respect at the same time?

As for Seamaiden matching wits with the best of them --

https://www.rollitup.org/medical-marijuana/116014-totally-healthy-can-i-still-24.html

Post 231....still waiting for some kind of reply. I figured I would get one, because Seamaiden seems to enjoy a good debate as much as I do, but I even went to another thread to ask her for a response, and still nothing...

Some people take it seriously and when you assert your opinions publicly you are basically signing a waver that allows your opinion to be analyzed and challenged. Sometimes it may not be in the most respectful manner however that is just how it is.
I have no problem with people analyzing, challenging, or straight out TEARING UP my opinions. But I do have a problem with someone attacking me on a personal level because they don't agree with my opinions.

Don't like my opinion? Prove me wrong, or we can agree to disagree, but resorting to insults because you don't like what I'm saying is just childish :roll:
 

Seamaiden

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Without first going through whatever it was that I missed last night, yes, let me answer your question, Wikid.

But, first I want to address the issue of a moderator alleging harassment and stalking by me. That message that was sent to me was the second such message I received from you. Both were unwarranted, both were unwanted, both were unsolicited, and both were increasingly rude. I responded to one, and since the second one was even more rude and nasty than the previous, I did not respond to that one. If one is going to make an accusation, such as "stalking" or "harassment", one's argument might hold a little more water if the accuser were not the one doing the stalking and harassment. At each and every turn the equation has been quite simple--stop attacking me and I'll stop responding. Stop with the condescension and I'll stop handing it back. But, I'm a little fish here, I have no teeth.

Now you threaten me with infractions for harassment? :lol: I ask again, what recourse does a "regular member" here have against a moderator who's made them the target of his unwanted attention? Following me through threads, trying to goad, making very direct insults and what would be considered, were they delivered between "regular members", personal attacks.

Ok, so, Wikid, you want to know if you're one of the crowd who drops trou, eh? For me to make a declarative statement as to whether or not I include you in the mix, I would have to go through all your posts. I have not been, and am not going to do that. Ultimately, though, you're really the best one to answer that question. Does getting "along well with everyone" equate to taking it up the ass from someone when they decide to dish out meanness, insults, and condescending? You tell me.

Yep, I've got some catching up to do on this thread, so I'll probably miss some posts. But, since I'm seeing this from Sunnyside, I'd like to address that directly as well. I'm sorry you "feel stupid" because of my posts. But, it's not my problem! See, I post here exactly the same way I speak to people in the real world. My assumption is that everyone else can read and understand what I'm saying, so my choice is to NOT dumb things down for people. I assume that you ARE smart enough, and that if you don't know something that you've got your Big Girl/Big Boy undies on and have the wherewithal to ask or look it up. I could dumb things down, and would, if I thought I were addressing a group of children. But in my experience, those who say that my manner of speech makes them feel dumb or stupid or inferior usually have their own hang-ups to get past. Those hang-ups are yours, and therefore are not my problem. I will not dumb it down. How about all those who have a problem with how I express myself do what I do for you? Let me be me, as I let you be you.

So, Wikid, what do you have to say about those who attack spelling, speech and grammar from the other side? Like I read from someone in the past week or so, "don't be using that 'proper english' on me and shit". :lol:

You may not realize this, either, Wikid, but Dave went after fdd in exactly the same manner fdd has been going after me, him, and anyone else he has a problem with or however his mood strikes him. Now that I think about it, maybe you are one of the crowd, if you can't or won't see things as they are and can't be fair in your criticism.
See, that's what's gotten me the threats of infractions for harassment, after he told me to show/grow some balls. Just because he's a moderator doesn't mean my reading skills and memory have gone out the window. I see inconsistencies, I point them out or ask for clarification. Some folks really get their panties in a wad about that, can't stand being questioned. I'm the kid who saw that the emperor didn't have new clothes, he had no clothes.
 
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