getogrow
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Thats why i suggest training the plant because hes is going to run out of room with height.
Is this a good light to use
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Jameajd997
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Thanks mate what do you reckon a couple of days a week ?? Until I should start flower ? How much do you think I will get out of it if I start flower soon ?
Jameajd997
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I want as much as possible to be honest lol so you reckon I need a bigger pot ?
Jameajd997
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I’m not sure if it’s worth trying to train the plant as im a first timer is this somthing a newbie would be able to do realistically ?
JimmyNuggs
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Always worth using low stress training 'LST' especially for new growers...
But, this is where your induction starts proper.
I encourage you to get stuck in, remember there are loads of ways to do it (so if it achieves what you want) but the idea is to keep top canopy flat because of 'apical dominance'.
Topping, tying, fimming, manifolding, scrogging.
Lots n lots of choices.
Start researching.
So, if you gonna do it, get a pot about double the size (triple if you can manage... ) get a handful of mychorizae on the roots - like steroids for the plant and help reduce risk of transplant shock, and repot...
But, this is where your induction starts proper.
I encourage you to get stuck in, remember there are loads of ways to do it (so if it achieves what you want) but the idea is to keep top canopy flat because of 'apical dominance'.
Topping, tying, fimming, manifolding, scrogging.
Lots n lots of choices.
Start researching.
So, if you gonna do it, get a pot about double the size (triple if you can manage... ) get a handful of mychorizae on the roots - like steroids for the plant and help reduce risk of transplant shock, and repot...
Jameajd997
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I’m going to look into and do some research but I defiantly don’t want to repot it now because it’s to big to be doing thst now no ? Don’t want to damage it
Jameajd997
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Ok so I’ve just done some research so basically you need to bend some stems and leaves so that the growth tips get plenty of light and air so that they turn into colas I’m still trying to work out how to find the growth tips ok so are the growth tips the ones that grow in beetween the main stem and the other branches that come of the main stem like this I have attached a few pictures and marked where I think the growth tips are please let me knowAlways worth using low stress training 'LST' especially for new growers...
But, this is where your induction starts proper.
I encourage you to get stuck in, remember there are loads of ways to do it (so if it achieves what you want) but the idea is to keep top canopy flat because of 'apical dominance'.
Topping, tying, fimming, manifolding, scrogging.
Lots n lots of choices.
Start researching.
So, if you gonna do it, get a pot about double the size (triple if you can manage... ) get a handful of mychorizae on the roots - like steroids for the plant and help reduce risk of transplant shock, and repot...
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JimmyNuggs
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Lol, don't be worrying about any of this, it'll come...
Right stay with me here.
Your central stem has a growth tip at the 'top', where new growth comes from & where flower sites develop.
Removing the tip completely, or 'topping', will create a new 'pair' of lateral branching nodes and is considered low stress training or LST: whilst removing 'most' but not all of the tip is called fimming and creates a surge of growth nodes all over the place and is another LST.
This central stem also has nodes/internodes (side branching of new leaf & flower sites) which is where your 'laterals' grow from (things you highlighted in your pics) and at the tip of the laterals you have growth tips too: with a slightly differently growth patterns but you can apply topping to these lateral growth tips too.
These growth tips are what will become flowers or pollen sacs (aka nanners on males) when the plant is 'flipped' or when lights switched to 12/12 lights)
Tying/bending etc these tips to create an even canopy (as I said up there) will break 'apical dominance' which essentially makes the 'main cola' more important and therefore feed that cola more nutrients coupled with leven light exposure.
Get upto speed on 'topping and fimming', as these techniques will help you get a lot more growth tips in prep for flower.
IF you LST them and can make them at the same height, they stand a better chance of feeding more equally and getting equal light.
Doubling down on this principle if they also feed from same node, as in mainlining/manifolding (advanced hst technique but doable for sure), in theory all colas will be same size and apical dominance will apply universally (as in 'all or none' are dominant, but making them close to identical in size of bud.
For what its worth, I would up pot. I would top (snip off the highest growth nodes across the plant) and up pot, give another week, maybe three for max growth; fully recovered, twice the size she is now and then flip her..
Stems snap, wrong pH feed, bugs appear - shit happens.
Mistakes can and will occur, so don't beat yourself up: they call it weed for a reason.
Right stay with me here.
Your central stem has a growth tip at the 'top', where new growth comes from & where flower sites develop.
Removing the tip completely, or 'topping', will create a new 'pair' of lateral branching nodes and is considered low stress training or LST: whilst removing 'most' but not all of the tip is called fimming and creates a surge of growth nodes all over the place and is another LST.
This central stem also has nodes/internodes (side branching of new leaf & flower sites) which is where your 'laterals' grow from (things you highlighted in your pics) and at the tip of the laterals you have growth tips too: with a slightly differently growth patterns but you can apply topping to these lateral growth tips too.
These growth tips are what will become flowers or pollen sacs (aka nanners on males) when the plant is 'flipped' or when lights switched to 12/12 lights)
Tying/bending etc these tips to create an even canopy (as I said up there) will break 'apical dominance' which essentially makes the 'main cola' more important and therefore feed that cola more nutrients coupled with leven light exposure.
Get upto speed on 'topping and fimming', as these techniques will help you get a lot more growth tips in prep for flower.
IF you LST them and can make them at the same height, they stand a better chance of feeding more equally and getting equal light.
Doubling down on this principle if they also feed from same node, as in mainlining/manifolding (advanced hst technique but doable for sure), in theory all colas will be same size and apical dominance will apply universally (as in 'all or none' are dominant, but making them close to identical in size of bud.
For what its worth, I would up pot. I would top (snip off the highest growth nodes across the plant) and up pot, give another week, maybe three for max growth; fully recovered, twice the size she is now and then flip her..
Stems snap, wrong pH feed, bugs appear - shit happens.
Mistakes can and will occur, so don't beat yourself up: they call it weed for a reason.
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Jameajd997
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Ah mate I’m so confused so you think I should cut of the top of my plant and repot it ?
Jameajd997
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I’m going to go buy some wire now and just start tying the majority of the plant down to the side of the pot !?
JimmyNuggs
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Yeah, get a bigger pot n start bending that main stalk over...
Jameajd997
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To be honest I’m not going to get a bigger pot but I will still benefit from bending it won’t I ?
JimmyNuggs
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As long as you allow time for your changes to make the desired effect.
Jameajd997
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Perfect nice one I’ll let you know how it goes gonna be tricky bending the main stem as it’s very strong now
KingQuazy
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He overcomplicated it. Those things you circled, are branches. You can cut the main TRUNK of the plant just above ANY of those intersections like where you circled.
What that will do, is make the plant treat the two branches as if they were BOTH now the main trunk. Depending where you decide to cut, the lower branches should also get a boost and your plant becomes bushier and has two tops. You can repeat this later on both of those tops, to create four.
That's up to you. Just remember, most plants have a growth spurt when you begin flowering. So you'll want to keep the plant trained a little more than half of the size you want it to FINISH at.
Bonus: The section of plant you chop from the main trunk, can be rooted and kept as a second smaller plant.
Jameajd997
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This is difficult haha so where should I cut it right at the very top where I’m pointing in the picture ? I’m about to bend and tie this down now ....
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Jameajd997
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So I’ve just bent it and tied like this I’m scared to bent it anymore lol should I bent more tie down more branches ?
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KingQuazy
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Bud, you can literally snap the thing in half and leave it barely hanging. She will grow EXTRA hard once she regains her feet. You underestimate her.
Yeah that's fine there but that's not gonna be easy to root if you wanna save the top and make another plant. I'd go down to the one below it.
JimmyNuggs
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Cut here, and he's right, they are stronger than you know...
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Jameajd997
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Thanks mate