Greenthumbs256
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Once a month sometimes less, I do a lasagna layer. All this info in detail is all on the first or second page.
GREEN'S PROBIOTIC METHOD
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Polyuro
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If I can ponder a thought out there...
what if the em-1 u have been adding to rez has soaked up into the medium and is alive and thriving. Then an air stone was introduced, giving a big boost to O2 uptake and plant grow. This may have killed em-1 in any rez water, but The em-1 bacteria is still is alive in low medium but below the fungi. Does an air stone in rez kill alive bacteria in the soil???
maybe if u put the air stone into the rez from the very beginning u would have a problem because the bacteria is dead before it is soaked/wicked up.
If so u may have hit THE PERFECT time to introduce the air stone.
I am interested too if keeping the air stone in the rez from here on out will hurt the plant...
maybe a cycle of em-1 for a week or so then hit it with the air stone for a week or whatever is the perfect zone... maybe only in flower or veg. Maybe both...
this sounds fun.
thoughts?
what if the em-1 u have been adding to rez has soaked up into the medium and is alive and thriving. Then an air stone was introduced, giving a big boost to O2 uptake and plant grow. This may have killed em-1 in any rez water, but The em-1 bacteria is still is alive in low medium but below the fungi. Does an air stone in rez kill alive bacteria in the soil???
maybe if u put the air stone into the rez from the very beginning u would have a problem because the bacteria is dead before it is soaked/wicked up.
If so u may have hit THE PERFECT time to introduce the air stone.
I am interested too if keeping the air stone in the rez from here on out will hurt the plant...
maybe a cycle of em-1 for a week or so then hit it with the air stone for a week or whatever is the perfect zone... maybe only in flower or veg. Maybe both...
this sounds fun.
thoughts?
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Greenthumbs256
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I wish I had those answer bud.
But yes, I'm more than willing to give that a side by side run against the winner of this next experiment for sure! It does sound interesting and I do like the idea of it!
Greenthumbs256
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Ok so for those of you that have a good sence of humor, I've got something to say to you(those that dont, well your in the wrong thread). So I'll get straight to it, fuck all the hps growers, fuck all the led growers and fuck all the blurple growers!!! Not a single god dam one of you have been able to find the perfect light and light spectrums. Each of them all have their own benefits, and Vise versa the cons as well.
But I may be on to something here. Or it may just crash and burn, and I'll only be fucking myself lmfao.
But heres my thinking, no lights can beat the pure raw power of hps, they create the most dence and solid nugs, with very nice yeilds. But nothing beats the new LEDs when it comes to tricome production, low cost to run, life span, and ability to pick and choose certain spectrums. I've even noticed shorter flowering times as well. Hell if I know about the blurples... LMFAO.
So my thinking process on this one, is why do I have to pick and choose, majority of us are in America, and I dam well am going to do what ever the hell I want, and I wish they would... lol ok. But why not run all of them! I should be able to get the best of all worlds.
Granted I just threw this together, thinking about getting a gorilla tent, 5x9 and the 2ft extension. That gives me right at 10ft tall. I can hang lights in a similar way as you see below, run them softer(other than the hps bc I only run magnetic ballast) and I can have them hung very high, to max the possibility of an even footprint between them all. I'm considering swapping around different mixes of lights, maybe lec or cmh, who knows at this point.
So am I on to something or am I gunna burn down half my dam state? Hell I like to make my cake and eat it too, screw it! Ignore the birds nest, once I have what's going where permanently, I'll tape it all up and make it nice and pretty.
But I may be on to something here. Or it may just crash and burn, and I'll only be fucking myself lmfao.
But heres my thinking, no lights can beat the pure raw power of hps, they create the most dence and solid nugs, with very nice yeilds. But nothing beats the new LEDs when it comes to tricome production, low cost to run, life span, and ability to pick and choose certain spectrums. I've even noticed shorter flowering times as well. Hell if I know about the blurples... LMFAO.
So my thinking process on this one, is why do I have to pick and choose, majority of us are in America, and I dam well am going to do what ever the hell I want, and I wish they would... lol ok. But why not run all of them! I should be able to get the best of all worlds.
Granted I just threw this together, thinking about getting a gorilla tent, 5x9 and the 2ft extension. That gives me right at 10ft tall. I can hang lights in a similar way as you see below, run them softer(other than the hps bc I only run magnetic ballast) and I can have them hung very high, to max the possibility of an even footprint between them all. I'm considering swapping around different mixes of lights, maybe lec or cmh, who knows at this point.
So am I on to something or am I gunna burn down half my dam state? Hell I like to make my cake and eat it too, screw it! Ignore the birds nest, once I have what's going where permanently, I'll tape it all up and make it nice and pretty.
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Greenthumbs256
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If I hurt someone's feelings, well I'm not the least bit sorry, it's a dam joke, suck it up buttercup.
Greenthumbs256
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I did come to a way we may be able to find the solution.... I'm going to email one of the main manufacturers of em1, teraganix!!! I'd hope they may just have the answers were all curious to know.
gthaenigma
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I like your style. Some one has to try this kinda shit out or we're just stagnating. Theory is sound enough. Merge the strenghths to defeat the weaknesses.
Greenthumbs256
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Cant win if you don't play...
BluntMoniker
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Adding in lights of varying kinds int going to hurt, so long as your able to keep heat and light intensity at optimal levels.
People do this all the time, using HPS/CMH as their main lighting, with CFL/LED as side or supplemental lighting for the added spectrum.
Should give you good results if your able to keep each plant recieving equal amounts of each light type
People do this all the time, using HPS/CMH as their main lighting, with CFL/LED as side or supplemental lighting for the added spectrum.
Should give you good results if your able to keep each plant recieving equal amounts of each light type
Greenthumbs256
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I may look into some type of moving racks, or something. Maybe ditch the tents and run whole rooms with the lights hooked to little tracks that could move back and forth. That would give the most even footprint and spread of then all
BluntMoniker
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So I got a question, and I'm not really sure who to ask, or where... figured I'd start here
Why do we use bokashi as the fungal side in the SIPs, instead of just a mycorrhizae? Is it just preference, or is there a difference between mycos and bokashi fungus in terms of what they are doing for the plant?
I'm in the process of fermenting my own bokashi, but was just wondering if it's actually necessary to the probiotic process, when I could just sprinkle a myco blend on top of the soil
Why do we use bokashi as the fungal side in the SIPs, instead of just a mycorrhizae? Is it just preference, or is there a difference between mycos and bokashi fungus in terms of what they are doing for the plant?
I'm in the process of fermenting my own bokashi, but was just wondering if it's actually necessary to the probiotic process, when I could just sprinkle a myco blend on top of the soil
Greenthumbs256
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Bc kashi grows mycelium, mycorrhize does not, it's made for roots. Two totally different things each doing two different jobs.
Greenthumbs256
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Heres sundae driver i have running, shes look very frosty
BluntMoniker
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If I happen to have some leftover spores from actual mushrooms, I can use that? Not that I'd be trying to grow out the mushrooms, but if a blanket of mycelium is all we are after, the source of mycelium isnt important, correct?
Greenthumbs256
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I cant say about that, bc I do not know how or if the spores are going to give you the mycelium growth that were after. But bottom line, if you can have great mycelium growth by doing that, by all means have at it! I just cant say if it will or if I wont, simply bc I do not know.
But yes I believe the mycelium plays a big part, and in many different ways but, One enormous benefit that I've recently learned, is the amount of co2 that mycelium produces. And considering how much I have growing for the space. I'm actually highly interested in testing my levels. But I've never ran co2, and therefore never bought the equipment to measure it. And simply not going too just to get a number. Maybe one day, but I'm not rich, never have been, I make do the best I can and that's simply just an expense I cant justify at this time.
gthaenigma
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Do you only run clones in your setup or can you run seed starts the same? I don't know but i think the fermentation going on at the bottom half of the sips is producing decent amounts of co2. It is a byproduct of the lactic fermentation process if i am not mistaken. I learned some about it from my food fermenting adventures.
Greenthumbs256
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Seeds will work just fine, but make sure you up pot I'd prefer twice, but at the very least once
Majority of my co2 is coming from the mycelium, the water and em1 mix in the rez isnt fermenting, in order to ferment their cant be oxygen(atleast not alot, and not moving for sure). And even before I added an air stone, there was still oxygen flowing through the rez
gthaenigma
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True didn't consider that. Good to know about seeds. I'm considering diff systems for indoor and don't want to waste time learning systems i will discard after not getting results i want. This system looks pretty low maintenance and high reward. I like what i see. I know yields vary based on many factors, but on average this system 4 x 4 1000w with a solid gg#4 cut what do you think is reasonable expectation?
Greenthumbs256
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I started off getting right over a lb with this method, but my record so far was 2.2 or 2.3 maybe, give or take an oz
gthaenigma
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Sweet. I think I have some SIP's to build.