Time to make all drugs legal

Fogdog

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Legalizing all drugs is not about legalizing drugs, it's about shifting the way we deal with addiction from a criminal problem to a social/health problem. Using prison as a social safety net for addiction and mental illness doesn't work, it's dehumanizing and costly for both the addict and society.

Legalizing all drugs also provides people with a safe alternative to street drugs that are cut and stomped on with who knows what, and are measured in "doses" which saves lives.
Hey, Burt. So glad to see here again, dishing more shit on the US. How is the war on drugs going in Canada?
 

DaFreak

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How could it not be the goal? When we have judges taking kickbacks for putting kids in jail, and politicians taking bribes for voting to continue the drug war how is that not a goal? Was not some misguided policy with no goal
 

hanimmal

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How could it not be the goal? When we have judges taking kickbacks for putting kids in jail, and politicians taking bribes for voting to continue the drug war how is that not a goal? Was not some misguided policy with no goal
Finding a way to exploit a system might have been the goal of people after the fact, and maybe even some planting loopholes in legislation, but it wouldn't mean it was everyone's objective when they tried to actually do right for our nation.

Whats the saying, 'the road to hell is paved in good intentions'.
 

Fogdog

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How could it not be the goal? When we have judges taking kickbacks for putting kids in jail, and politicians taking bribes for voting to continue the drug war how is that not a goal? Was not some misguided policy with no goal
The history of the war on drugs contains plenty of references with Nixon's own words explaining why he launched it. Are your kind so lost in false conspiracy theories that you need to re-write history to include them? Or is it that your Republicans are caught with their heads up their asses on this subject and you would prefer to talk about a conspiracy of judicial corruption instead of what really happened?


The Blood Feud That Launched the War on Drugs

He (Nixon) felt surrounded by enemies, as a sputtering economy and prolonged war in Vietnam damaged his approval rating. Brand new polls suggested that Democratic Senator Edmund Muskie could unseat him in 1972. In the coming weeks, Nixon would be rocked by The New York Times’ publication of the Pentagon Papers. He would create a secret group, dubbed “the Plumbers,” to stop unauthorized leaks and harass his political enemies.

In the middle of this storm, Nixon sensed an opportunity to reverse his political fortunes by demonizing drugs and the counterculture around them. He had become increasingly bellicose on the subject, even meeting with pop star Elvis Presley in a bizarre White House meeting in December 1970, where Nixon shared his opinion that those who used drugs were “anti-American” and where Nixon gifted Elvis, who would later die of a heart attack linked to drug abuse, with an honorary narcotics officer badge. The president’s efforts seemed to be paying off. A new opinion poll indicated that 23 percent of Americans now viewed drugs as America’s No. 1 problem, up from just 3 percent two years earlier.

From the beginning of his fight against drugs, Nixon had zeroed in on Leary. In 1969, Leary had won a unanimous Supreme Court decision over the Nixon administration that struck down a portion of federal marijuana laws. Then, Leary had publicly mocked a high-profile drug interdiction program Nixon announced, Operation Intercept. It became easier to connect what Nixon called “the age of anarchy” with Leary, to see him as a Robespierre on Acid, a kingpin hellbent on unraveling the normal order. He was a subversive, a hippie rebel leader summoning his army, a sociocultural terrorist whose real master plan was to blow up the nation’s moral compass in the name of drugs and free love. Leary was, in the words of Richard Nixon, “the most dangerous man in America.”
 

hanimmal

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I don’t believe for a second that they were trying to do “right” for America. You know about the original hearings outlawing pot when they told the surgeon general to shit up when he said pot wasn’t harmful. Always been about money.

and as I’ve said many times, I’m not republican and fck you in general. Dumb ass with google.
I have been generally nice to you so I am not sure why you are switching to trolling me like that. I always took you for what you have been saying you are, and what does google have to do with anything? You lost your shit.
 

DaFreak

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Hanimal do you post as fogsomething as well? Is that your troll Handel?
edit: sorry, quoted the wrong post on iPhone, thought I was addressing fog, apologies.
 
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WintersBones

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The history of the war on drugs contains plenty of references with Nixon's own words explaining why he launched it. Are your kind so lost in false conspiracy theories that you need to re-write history to include them? Or is it that your Republicans are caught with their heads up their asses on this subject and you would prefer to talk about a conspiracy of judicial corruption instead of what really happened?


The Blood Feud That Launched the War on Drugs

He (Nixon) felt surrounded by enemies, as a sputtering economy and prolonged war in Vietnam damaged his approval rating. Brand new polls suggested that Democratic Senator Edmund Muskie could unseat him in 1972. In the coming weeks, Nixon would be rocked by The New York Times’ publication of the Pentagon Papers. He would create a secret group, dubbed “the Plumbers,” to stop unauthorized leaks and harass his political enemies.

In the middle of this storm, Nixon sensed an opportunity to reverse his political fortunes by demonizing drugs and the counterculture around them. He had become increasingly bellicose on the subject, even meeting with pop star Elvis Presley in a bizarre White House meeting in December 1970, where Nixon shared his opinion that those who used drugs were “anti-American” and where Nixon gifted Elvis, who would later die of a heart attack linked to drug abuse, with an honorary narcotics officer badge. The president’s efforts seemed to be paying off. A new opinion poll indicated that 23 percent of Americans now viewed drugs as America’s No. 1 problem, up from just 3 percent two years earlier.

From the beginning of his fight against drugs, Nixon had zeroed in on Leary. In 1969, Leary had won a unanimous Supreme Court decision over the Nixon administration that struck down a portion of federal marijuana laws. Then, Leary had publicly mocked a high-profile drug interdiction program Nixon announced, Operation Intercept. It became easier to connect what Nixon called “the age of anarchy” with Leary, to see him as a Robespierre on Acid, a kingpin hellbent on unraveling the normal order. He was a subversive, a hippie rebel leader summoning his army, a sociocultural terrorist whose real master plan was to blow up the nation’s moral compass in the name of drugs and free love. Leary was, in the words of Richard Nixon, “the most dangerous man in America.”
That is correct, but it goes way further back than Nixon, right back to Harry J. Anslinger, the marijuana tax act itself was steeped in racism right from the start. Nixon was just revitalizing the war for his own needs after the SC decision at the time. Then Reagan followed, and the Bush's. Etc etc. Although the Dems in between weren't much better until relatively recently either.
 

BurtMaklin

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Hey, Burt. So glad to see here again, dishing more shit on the US. How is the war on drugs going in Canada?
My comment was a just an observation about how society chooses to ostracize and punish drug users by using the legal/prison system to house addicts and the mentally ill. We do the same thing in Canada, my comment is relevant to both country's policies on the legality of "drugs", but sure, put words in my mouth if it makes you feel cool or whatever. Lol
 

Fogdog

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My comment was a just an observation about how society chooses to ostracize and punish drug users by using the legal/prison system to house addicts and the mentally ill. We do the same thing in Canada, my comment is relevant to both country's policies on the legality of "drugs", but sure, put words in my mouth if it makes you feel cool or whatever. Lol
So glad to see you are here to dish shit on the US. After all, we are nothing more than dumbasses who need a Canadian to explain our politics to us. After all, your country is pure, except for the widespread racism, the dependence on fossil fuels, the puny economy that just tanked due to that dependence and your country's current drift to the political right. I mean, if it weren't for the US, Canada might have to examine itself.

So, do go on, dumping shit on us here. We couldn't figure out what's wrong without your tough love.

You know, all of a sudden you and a few other so-called "Canadians" showed up during the Democratic Primary to, why were you here? To bloviate endlessly about a primary you have nothing to do with? Like, all at once we were flooded with "Canadians" who kept posting divisive shit. Must be a coincidence. Although, I generally don't believe coincidences are all that common. Usually there is a reason and they are not random.

@Budley Doright I'm not talking about you, just some other "Canadians" who constantly shit on the US in a manner that is reminiscent of what has become known as "Russian Trolls".
 

TychoMonolyth

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Hey, Burt. So glad to see here again, dishing more shit on the US. How is the war on drugs going in Canada?
"War on Drugs" is pretty chill here. Keep in mind, "War on Drugs" is an america term and has never been used here. Hell, your republicans (Reagan/Olie North/CIA) even participated in both sides. What an embarrassment. Your war has always been meant to feed your corporate prisons.
 

Fogdog

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"War on Drugs" is pretty chill here. Keep in mind, "War on Drugs" is an america term and has never been used here. Hell, your republicans (Reagan/Olie North/CIA) even participated in both sides. What an embarrassment. Your war has always been meant to feed your corporate prisons.
Not my war.

Is it true that MJ was illegal until Canadian corporations figured out a way to shut out the little guys? Do all Canadians have a "little guy" complex when it comes to the US?
 

BurtMaklin

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Like, all at once we were flooded with "Canadians" who kept posting divisive shit. Must be a coincidence. Although, I generally don't believe coincidences are all that common. Usually there is a reason and they are not random
You whining like a little bitch about "divisive" is some real life, hypocrite shit.

You're not much of a detective, I pop in from time to time to watch you and your clan of bigoted, hypocrite clowns cleanse this section of any opinion that differs from yours, even slightly, but I don't need to hide who I am to express mine. Let's just ask ol' Rolli to clear that shit up and make you look like the tool you are.
 

Fogdog

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You whining like a little bitch about "divisive" is some real life, hypocrite shit.

You're not much of a detective, I pop in from time to time to watch you and your clan of bigoted, hypocrite clowns cleanse this section of any opinion that differs from yours, even slightly, but I don't need to hide who I am to express mine. Let's just ask ol' Rolli to clear that shit up and make you look like the tool you are.
Thanks, Burt. Thanks for coming here to shit on the US. Really great service you are providing. I'm not saying you ARE a Russian Troll, I'm just saying the timing of your appearances and divisive posts makes it seem as IF you WERE a Russian Troll. Or a Nazi troll or some other kind of fake ass Canadian.

But I most definitely did NOT say you ARE a fake ass Troll hiding behind the mantle of a Canadian.

Thanks again for coming here to shit on the US. So helpful.
 

BurtMaklin

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Do all Canadians have a "little guy" complex when it comes to the US?
Lol. Typical American bravado, how many American flags do you have displayed in your front yard?

Thanks, Burt. Thanks for coming here to shit on the US. Really great service you are providing. I'm not saying you ARE a Russian Troll, I'm just saying the timing of your appearances and divisive posts makes it seem as IF you WERE a Russian Troll. Or a Nazi troll or some other kind of fake ass Canadian.

But I most definitely did NOT say you ARE a fake ass Troll hiding behind the mantle of a Canadian.

Thanks again for coming here to shit on the US. So helpful.
Ok, chump, the way America wags its star spangled dick in the world's face, you're bound to get some much deserved criticism.
 
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