Time to make all drugs legal

DaFreak

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I have two Canadian Flags, actually 3 if you count the boat, is that a tell of some sorts? Too many you think? To much bravado?
Canada may be close, but for most of the world Americans love of their flag is very strange. You see them everywhere, on underwear, clothes, cups. Today I saw one on the back of a jeep made out of bullets. And I hate to say it, but they don't always seem like the most intelligent people. Boats I get, it's tradition. But two fcking huge American flags in the back of a pick-up truck? Just weird. If it's not the 4th of July keep them on your home or boat. And how disrespectful is it to have underwear made from a flag? Can't kneel during an anthem but you can shit on the flag? Americans are odd.
 

TychoMonolyth

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Not my war.

Is it true that MJ was illegal until Canadian corporations figured out a way to shut out the little guys? Do all Canadians have a "little guy" complex when it comes to the US?
You got it all wrong. We certainly don't hate the USA otherwise we would have built a wall long long time ago. I have many friends and family there. I own a cottage in the north country (NY) on a fantastic lake with amazing neighbors. Without the USA, we'd be speaking german, russian, or chinese. But the world hates racist pig Americans for sure, and almost as much as we hate racist pig Canadians.

Really? I was growing weed when I was 15. Got caught with it many times. Worse case, they took it away from me. It got legalized because Judges were tearing a strip of hide off the crown (prosecutors) and cops for wasting their time bringing people in front of them for a baggie of weed. "$50 fine." Even for a pound or more "it's my personal smoke your honor." Usually a fine and Conditional Discharge (i.e. Don't do it again and be good for a year). Worse case? 3 months to be served on weekends (go in saturday night, you sign a book, they let you go because they have to let you go sunday.)

But hey... whatever it takes to keep some 20 year old from getting a criminal record for an inconsequential joint in his last year of university. I can grow 30 plants in my back yard, or 50 in my basement. Legally. Remind me how corporations shut me out again? I could get a nursery licence and grow 1k plants 3 times a year. If anything, the little guy is doing just fine.
 
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TychoMonolyth

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I once demanded a gas station take down the flags because they were all tore to shit from high winds. I told him I took pictures of them and will send them off to the press and post them on FB if they didn't take them down or replace them. Fuckers.

I once stuffed someone's mailbox with a new flag (rural road side mail box) because they're last one was ancient and completely faded.

I don't even have a flag, and I'm not a freak about them. But they deserve respect. Not because of the country, but because of the lives lost in wars fighting for them.
 

QUAD BREATH

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The history of the war on drugs contains plenty of references with Nixon's own words explaining why he launched it. Are your kind so lost in false conspiracy theories that you need to re-write history to include them? Or is it that your Republicans are caught with their heads up their asses on this subject and you would prefer to talk about a conspiracy of judicial corruption instead of what really happened?


The Blood Feud That Launched the War on Drugs

He (Nixon) felt surrounded by enemies, as a sputtering economy and prolonged war in Vietnam damaged his approval rating. Brand new polls suggested that Democratic Senator Edmund Muskie could unseat him in 1972. In the coming weeks, Nixon would be rocked by The New York Times’ publication of the Pentagon Papers. He would create a secret group, dubbed “the Plumbers,” to stop unauthorized leaks and harass his political enemies.

In the middle of this storm, Nixon sensed an opportunity to reverse his political fortunes by demonizing drugs and the counterculture around them. He had become increasingly bellicose on the subject, even meeting with pop star Elvis Presley in a bizarre White House meeting in December 1970, where Nixon shared his opinion that those who used drugs were “anti-American” and where Nixon gifted Elvis, who would later die of a heart attack linked to drug abuse, with an honorary narcotics officer badge. The president’s efforts seemed to be paying off. A new opinion poll indicated that 23 percent of Americans now viewed drugs as America’s No. 1 problem, up from just 3 percent two years earlier.

From the beginning of his fight against drugs, Nixon had zeroed in on Leary. In 1969, Leary had won a unanimous Supreme Court decision over the Nixon administration that struck down a portion of federal marijuana laws. Then, Leary had publicly mocked a high-profile drug interdiction program Nixon announced, Operation Intercept. It became easier to connect what Nixon called “the age of anarchy” with Leary, to see him as a Robespierre on Acid, a kingpin hellbent on unraveling the normal order. He was a subversive, a hippie rebel leader summoning his army, a sociocultural terrorist whose real master plan was to blow up the nation’s moral compass in the name of drugs and free love. Leary was, in the words of Richard Nixon, “the most dangerous man in America.”
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying? We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did. "

- John Daniel Ehrlichman
- nixon adviser

Finding a way to exploit a system might have been the goal of people after the fact, and maybe even some planting loopholes in legislation, but it wouldn't mean it was everyone's objective when they tried to actually do right for our nation.

Whats the saying, 'the road to hell is paved in good intentions'.
Seriously ?
 

QUAD BREATH

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"According to the ACLU’s original analysis, marijuana arrests now account for over half of all drug arrests in the United States. Of the 8.2 million marijuana arrests between 2001 and 2010, 88% were for simply having marijuana. Nationwide, the arrest data revealed one consistent trend: significant racial bias. Despite roughly equal usage rates, Blacks are 3.73 times more likely than whites to be arrested for marijuana."

 

DIY-HP-LED

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I have two Canadian Flags, actually 3 if you count the boat, is that a tell of some sorts? Too many you think? To much bravado?
I hang a big one on the front porch a week before Canada day and have one on my wall, also some dollar store flag decals for quickly identifying my stuff if snatched etc. Americans come here to buy flags or order them online these days to hide their citizenship when traveling abroad, a tradition that goes back to the sixties, they actual claim they are Canadian to foreigners! :D Guess they won't have to worry about foreign travel for awhile, assuming King Clorox lets them leave the country, poor bastards.
 

Fogdog

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Thanks fog, the line that separates me and you is pretty thin (crossed it every few weeks before the “unfortunate incident” ;).....), it doesn’t define the people. I am truly horrified with what is happening down there right now. What does it take to stop the racism, there and here? Talking doesn’t seem to work, that’s been tried for a long fucking time. My heart goes out to everyone in the struggle that’s taking place down there.
y'know,

There is nothing a person can do. A saint, maybe, but I'm not one of those. I decided a while ago that since they disrespect people who try to reason with them (and they do, just read some of the shit they say to each other about that), then I'll do what I can to make them uncomfortable. Because that's fun. I even coined a new line today: After all the shit that's gone down recently, right wing trolls seem as desperate an INCEL at closing time. They aren't going to change. They aren't going to go away.

So,

Let's just have fun. Waddya say?
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Canadian culture and info on drugs
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Spiders on Drugs (Hinterland Who's Who)
 

Fogdog

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You got it all wrong. We certainly don't hate the USA otherwise we would have built a wall long long time ago. I have many friends and family there. I own a cottage in the north country (NY) on a fantastic lake with amazing neighbors. Without the USA, we'd be speaking german, russian, or chinese. But the world hates racist pig Americans for sure, and almost as much as we hate racist pig Canadians.

Really? I was growing weed when I was 15. Got caught with it many times. Worse case, they took it away from me. It got legalized because Judges were tearing a strip of hide off the crown (prosecutors) and cops for wasting their time bringing people in front of them for a baggie of weed. "$50 fine." Even for a pound or more "it's my personal smoke your honor." Usually a fine and Conditional Discharge (i.e. Don't do it again and be good for a year). Worse case? 3 months to be served on weekends (go in saturday night, you sign a book, they let you go because they have to let you go sunday.)

But hey... whatever it takes to keep some 20 year old from getting a criminal record for an inconsequential joint in his last year of university. I can grow 30 plants in my back yard, or 50 in my basement. Legally. Remind me how corporations shut me out again? I could get a nursery licence and grow 1k plants 3 times a year. If anything, the little guy is doing just fine.
to be honest, I don't really pay attention to Canada. I've just heard some people from that country complaining so I figured I'd poke a stick at you guys. I don't know if you are one of them but all at once, a murder of "Canadians" showed up here to rag and shit on us in a manner reminiscent of Putin's trolls. Not too different from your geese, which come down here to shit on our golf courses. Not that I mind. I keep thanking them for shitting on the US and they keep getting angry. Doesn't make any sense. But then again, Canada, geese, whatever.
 

Justin-case

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"According to the ACLU’s original analysis, marijuana arrests now account for over half of all drug arrests in the United States. Of the 8.2 million marijuana arrests between 2001 and 2010, 88% were for simply having marijuana. Nationwide, the arrest data revealed one consistent trend: significant racial bias. Despite roughly equal usage rates, Blacks are 3.73 times more likely than whites to be arrested for marijuana."

Will federally legalizing marijuana magically make cops less racist?
 

Nefrella

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Would you also legalize krocodil?
I've seen the docuseries from Vice, and that stuff is horrible. Personally I think its worse than a lot of other drugs.

Bottom line, let peoe decide what they wanna do. Natural selection lol.

Only issue will be with the unbridled violence and death.

Old West here we come. ✌☮✌
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Will federally legalizing marijuana magically make cops less racist?
Nope, policy and taking a stick to them will, they can feel the stick swinging now, which is why the bad ones are so pissed and shooting people with rubber bullets and real ones too. Drugs are a weapon used against minorities for a long time, from the opium laws on the west coast targeting the Chinese, to Pot, targeting Mexicans and blacks, Louie Armstrong was busted for pot in the 30's, smoked pot every day of his adult life, it was real popular among the jazz crowd.
 

Fogdog

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Will federally legalizing marijuana magically make cops less racist?
No

Then again it might remove one racially biased means of incarcerating black men.

When Portugal eliminated most anti-drug laws, there was zero change in the number of people who used drugs. Just saying, I'd like us to make it easier for people to seek help. It's not as if there are any good reasons for those laws.
 

Justin-case

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No

Then again it might remove one racially biased means of incarcerating black men.

When Portugal eliminated most anti-drug laws, there was zero change in the number of people who used drugs. Just saying, I'd like us to make it easier for people to seek help. It's not as if there are any good reasons for those laws.
Agreed, but I was rebutting op's assertion that BLM doesn't mean "shit" until the war on drugs is ended.
 
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