How does destroying the property of innocent people fix systemic problems of governmental abuse ?

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PhatNuggz

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hanimmal said:
It is interesting how scrubbed everything is on it now that Trump is President. I even noticed watching the Epstein series on Netflix that they scrubbed everything about Trump and his relationship from it, and they didn't bring up that it was Bill Barr's dad who hired Epstein right out of his couple years of college to teach underage girls.

Anyways, I was concerned that I was posting incorrect info so I looked at it again, and you are right, if you were not inclined to believe it I would see your point. All that was coming up with basic google search was the one document that I had used from the factcheck site. And the Doe V Trump wiki page gives nothing really either. But it did have a case number.

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So I googled that, pay dirt.
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So here you go man, sorry about that, but it does look like Trump has been trying to get this buried.

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/4357335/1/doe-v-trump/

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What is liberal 'media'?

You do know that media can mean damn near everything, and some of the stuff like you will find in 'the Hill' are bad actors in this, designed to catfish as actual journalistic news, but are really just blog posts aimed at dividing people up. Also a lot of the information that is incorrect in the news media comes from people like Trump's minions showing up and lying to the American people.


And news companies like MSNBC being highly factual outside of the 'opinion of political pundits, should help to explain how Trump likes to plant lies on air because as president, everything he says (lies about) is forced to be covered. And because of that, he is technically correct when he appears on those stations claiming them to be 'fake news', because he is using them to lie to us.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/msnbc/
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Did you ever watch the entire video or just edited clips pushed by Trump's trolls (foreign and domestic)?

Because all I could find was this:
And this

Not exactly gassing American citizens, but I get it, her emails.
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I appreciate your attempt, but to get at the truth one would need to get right to the court, not probable fraud documents

also NBC as a source is not a source I rely on. Keep in mind, none of the faces on any of the channels are actual journalists, they just have believable faces and voices who read a script from a teleprompter

I saw HRC on TV at the time saying it
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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PhatNuggz said:
I appreciate your attempt, but to get at the truth one would need to get right to the court, not probable fraud documents

also NBC as a source is not a source I rely on. Keep in mind, none of the faces on any of the channels are actual journalists, they just have believable faces and voices who read a script from a teleprompter

I saw HRC on TV at the time saying it
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That is why it is a good idea to look at the actual evidence that they were presenting and then look through that and draw your own conclusions.

The problem with your conspiracy based logic is that a open sourced document like that on actual court documents is open to scrutiny, and if a actual journalistic news organization like NBC, are reporting them as facts, they are legally liable if they are false. If I ever have a question on the actual facts of a story I look for it on AP news. To get the full information/figure out if it is not a hoax.

Memory is a funny thing, sometimes you see something and had a visceral response to it, and then over time you can actually change the memory and never really realize it.
 
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PhatNuggz

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hanimmal said:
That is why it is a good idea to look at the actual evidence that they were presenting and then look through that and draw your own conclusions.

The problem with your conspiracy based logic is that a open sourced document like that on actual court documents is open to scrutiny, and if a actual journalistic news organization like NBC, are reporting them as facts, they are legally liable if they are false. If I ever have a question on the actual facts of a story I look for it on AP news. To get the full information/figure out if it is not a hoax.

Memory is a funny thing, sometimes you see something and had a visceral response to it, and then over time you can actually change the memory and never really realize it.
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what's particularly funny about your response is:

* Fraudulent use of FISA Warrant, leading to false prosecution of Gen Flynn,
* Judge Sullivan's insistence to not let it go even after his higher ups told him to stop and so on.
* Absolutely you know the dems did everything they could from the time DJT got the nomination to destroy him. and then spending upwards of 30 MILLION TAXPAYER DOLLARS attempting to impeach him when they knew it was bogus. Will any of them (Comey, Mueller, Strox, Page, Brennan...) go to jail for that? Im not holding my breath

So creating a false document like this one, accusing DJT and Epstein in the same document (which smells), I mean why wouldn't there be one for each of them?

That and it seems like both sides do similar shit
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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PhatNuggz said:
what's particularly funny about your response is:

* Fraudulent use of FISA Warrant, leading to false prosecution of Gen Flynn,
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Where do you get this nugget of information from? Because I actually read the IG report and it doesn't say this at all. And all those 'errors' included punctuation and spelling. Trump is getting his monies worth from Barr.


You should stop listening to people who have proven that they lie to you, because when you can just make shit up and say anything and it gets covered because you are the President of the United States of America, and have goons willing to lie for you as well, nothing you say matters anymore. And Trump has been nothing but a cult leader trying to keep his cult snowballed ever since his stupid kid got caught having a secret meeting with the 'crown prosecutor of Russia to get dirt on Clinton'.
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You should stop listening to liars like Trump and any of his troll army.





PhatNuggz said:
* Judge Sullivan's insistence to not let it go even after his higher ups told him to stop and so on.
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Who are his higher ups?

PhatNuggz said:
* Absolutely you know the dems did everything they could from the time DJT got the nomination to destroy him. and then spending upwards of 30 MILLION TAXPAYER DOLLARS attempting to impeach him when they knew it was bogus. Will any of them (Comey, Mueller, Strox, Page, Brennan...) go to jail for that? Im not holding my breath
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You do realize that Mueller was appointed by Trump's people right? And it has what 199 counts of criminal acts that it had found. Again I ask for you to point to this information that you post as if it is true, because it is not. Trump lies, and just because he says something, or his people say something, doesn't make it true.

The people you have listed, all went under oath in congress and have demonstrated time and again that what Trump is saying are lies while under oath, while all of Trump's people show up and obstruct congress because, you know, POTUS.

PhatNuggz said:
So creating a false document like this one, accusing DJT and Epstein in the same document (which smells), I mean why wouldn't there be one for each of them?

That and it seems like both sides do similar shit
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Two of what? You do know that Epstein is charged right, that he was found guilty, and shit got buried by Trump's ex Accosta right? And that his number 1 troll takes office and in a few months, Epstein who has a documented history of partying (not just flying to a event with) with Trump, who is currently the president, is murdered in jail. A jail whose being controlled by the very guy who gave Epstein his first real job that put him in direct contact with underaged girls.

Sure, both sides. You have to really want to believe this.
 
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waktoo

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hanimmal said:
Where do you get this nugget of information from? Because I actually read the IG report and it doesn't say this at all. And all those 'errors' included punctuation and spelling. Trump is getting his monies worth from Barr.


You should stop listening to people who have proven that they lie to you, because when you can just make shit up and say anything and it gets covered because you are the President of the United States of America, and have goons willing to lie for you as well, nothing you say matters anymore. And Trump has been nothing but a cult leader trying to keep his cult snowballed ever since his stupid kid got caught having a secret meeting with the 'crown prosecutor of Russia to get dirt on Clinton'.
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You should stop listening to liars like Trump and any of his troll army.







Who are his higher ups?



You do realize that Mueller was appointed by Trump's people right? And it has what 199 counts of criminal acts that it had found. Again I ask for you to point to this information that you post as if it is true, because it is not. Trump lies, and just because he says something, or his people say something, doesn't make it true.

The people you have listed, all went under oath in congress and have demonstrated time and again that what Trump is saying are lies while under oath, while all of Trump's people show up and obstruct congress because, you know, POTUS.



Two of what? You do know that Epstein is charged right, that he was found guilty, and shit got buried by Trump's ex Accosta right? And that his number 1 troll takes office and in a few months, Epstein who has a documented history of partying (not just flying to a event with) with Trump, who is currently the president, is murdered in jail. A jail whose being controlled by the very guy who gave Epstein his first real job that put him in direct contact with underaged girls.

Sure, both sides. You have to really want to believe this.
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Facts do NOT matter to the willfully ignorant...
 
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CunningCanuk

CunningCanuk

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Rob Roy said:
Slaves yelling at master won't create freedom.

People need to LEAVE the plantation, not beg for softer pillows.
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Getting lonely up there in the cabin, Bob?

I’m surprised that someone who clings to the second amendment with such conviction would be so cavalier about the first one.
 
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CunningCanuk

CunningCanuk

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hanimmal said:
Where do you get this nugget of information from? Because I actually read the IG report and it doesn't say this at all. And all those 'errors' included punctuation and spelling. Trump is getting his monies worth from Barr.


You should stop listening to people who have proven that they lie to you, because when you can just make shit up and say anything and it gets covered because you are the President of the United States of America, and have goons willing to lie for you as well, nothing you say matters anymore. And Trump has been nothing but a cult leader trying to keep his cult snowballed ever since his stupid kid got caught having a secret meeting with the 'crown prosecutor of Russia to get dirt on Clinton'.
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You should stop listening to liars like Trump and any of his troll army.







Who are his higher ups?



You do realize that Mueller was appointed by Trump's people right? And it has what 199 counts of criminal acts that it had found. Again I ask for you to point to this information that you post as if it is true, because it is not. Trump lies, and just because he says something, or his people say something, doesn't make it true.

The people you have listed, all went under oath in congress and have demonstrated time and again that what Trump is saying are lies while under oath, while all of Trump's people show up and obstruct congress because, you know, POTUS.



Two of what? You do know that Epstein is charged right, that he was found guilty, and shit got buried by Trump's ex Accosta right? And that his number 1 troll takes office and in a few months, Epstein who has a documented history of partying (not just flying to a event with) with Trump, who is currently the president, is murdered in jail. A jail whose being controlled by the very guy who gave Epstein his first real job that put him in direct contact with underaged girls.

Sure, both sides. You have to really want to believe this.
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Great post but unfortunately will be lost on the idiot.
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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CunningCanuk said:
Great post but unfortunately will be lost on the idiot.
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Most likely, but I figure everyone should have the chance to be a real person and when they do, as hard as it is, to have at least one person willing to have an actual dialog with them to try to explain the bullshit that they are being fed. It is the only way I can see through this nightmare that the militarization of online trolling has caused our societies.
 
CunningCanuk

CunningCanuk

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hanimmal said:
Most likely, but I figure everyone should have the chance to be a real person and when they do, as hard as it is, to have at least one person willing to have an actual dialog with them to try to explain the bullshit that they are being fed. It is the only way I can see through this nightmare that the militarization of online trolling has caused our societies.
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I understand the sentiment.

I’ve decided to save my breath and stopped trying to reason with them. They are too well indoctrinated in the Trump cult.
 
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