Help me choose between these strains poll

[ApexseasOG]

Hello everyone! So i'm getting ready for my first auto grow; all of my previous experience has been with photos. I have some packs of these 4 strains and I was wondering which would you recommend to start off with. I've gathered that these are some good auto strains to try and i've had some experience with some of their photo genetic counterparts but never with an auto, so I thought i'd ask the experts. Please vote and/or share your reason/experiences if you can. Thanks!

 

[pop22]

Dutch Passion strains are great,and often grow big! If you like cookies strains, CC is very nice!

 

[EvilScotsm@n]

Dutch passion gets my vote every time. Done loads of their stuff and it was all top notch. (Except Brooklyn sunrise. That ones a cabbage)
All their autos can easily get to well over a pound in the right hands and the quality is shit hot.
Only fastbuds I've done was bluedreamatic and that's now one of my favourite smokes ever.
Doubt you can go wrong whatever you pick mate. Both solid breeders and highly recommended by the masses.

 

[Seedperson1]

Why not all of them?

 

[Dirk8==D~Diggler]

I’ve got two plants going right now. Fastbuds zkittlez and DP mazar. The Mazar is outgrowing the tent (dude above says they get big) and it’s still stretching. But the Fastbuds are just that, 51 days old and frosty as a mf. I don’t expect they will go too far past 80 days.

 

[ApexseasOG]

Why not all of them?

Wish I could. Mainly because of space. I wouldn’t want one to turn out short and bushy and another tall and have one not get enough light. I to grow them separately to see what they can do at their max potential with all the right conditions; can’t really do that if you have different size plants in your garden, not with one of my size at least.

 

[Seedperson1]

Wish I could. Mainly because of space. I wouldn’t want one to turn out short and bushy and another tall and have one not get enough light. I to grow them separately to see what they can do at their max potential with all the right conditions; can’t really do that if you have different size plants in your garden, not with one of my size at least.

Fair enough. I had to Tetris things around to get an even canopy last time so I know what you mean.

 

[ApexseasOG]

Fair enough. I had to Tetris things around to get an even canopy last time so I know what you mean.

That’s a great analogy! Yeah an even canopy is always my aim as well. It’ll be interesting to see how much I can accomplish with an auto. With photos it’s rather easy; top, mainline or lst and Scrog and you’re set. I’d veg for about 5,6 weeks then flower as soon as the net is full. It’ll be a different story for sure with autos. We’ll see how it goes.

 

[ApexseasOG]

I’ve read a lot of people say you shouldn’t top auto but I’ve also seen some even mainline some of the larger strains. Any experience with heavy training an autos with these strains?

 

[Seedperson1]

I’ve read a lot of people say you shouldn’t top auto but I’ve also seen some even mainline some of the larger strains. Any experience with heavy training an autos with these strains?

Ive heard both as well. When I do my first auto, I think I’ll just let it go so I can get used to how fast, tall, etc it grows. Then I’ll be able to tell if and when I should do anything with the second run.

 

[ApexseasOG]

Ive heard both as well. When I do my first auto, I think I’ll just let it go so I can get used to how fast, tall, etc it grows. Then I’ll be able to tell if and when I should do anything with the second run.

I was also thinking the same; just letting it go to see how she grows and then adjust with the next grow. keeping it simple and being patient I find always works out the best.

 

[MATTYMATT726]

I’ve read a lot of people say you shouldn’t top auto but I’ve also seen some even mainline some of the larger strains. Any experience with heavy training an autos with these strains?

The ones that say not to top autos are older, stuck in thier mindet growers or just want to cruise/lazy to do so. You can do anything training wise to an auto as a photo. The absolute only difference is with a photo if you mess up you can keep vegging till you fix it. With an auto there is 1 window to top. It's simple. Most autos take 3 to 5 weeks to start flowering. Common senses need to take place. If you buy a lowrider strain its not getring big. Don't too it. If a plant says longer than 70 days from seed, meduim to tall or tall or 70cm to 120 cm its going to have a good 4 to 6 weeks of veg before flowering. At 18 to 21 days if it has 4 to 5 nodes and healthy than top it. It has a full week to "recover" if you believe it actually got slowed down and another 7 to 10 days of vegging. It's simple.

 

[ApexseasOG]

The ones that say not to top autos are older, stuck in thier mindet growers or just want to cruise/lazy to do so. You can do anything training wise to an auto as a photo. The absolute only difference is with a photo if you mess up you can keep vegging till you fix it. With an auto there is 1 window to top. It's simple. Most autos take 3 to 5 weeks to start flowering. Common senses need to take place. If you buy a lowrider strain its not getring big. Don't too it. If a plant says longer than 70 days from seed, meduim to tall or tall or 70cm to 120 cm its going to have a good 4 to 6 weeks of veg before flowering. At 18 to 21 days if it has 4 to 5 nodes and healthy than top it. It has a full week to "recover" if you believe it actually got slowed down and another 7 to 10 days of vegging. It's simple.

Great post; common sense is something I can always get behind. Aside form maybe the gelato from fast buds, these strains should be at least 70 cm and up to 10-11 weeks to flower (which will most likely be 12-13 knowing how seed banks love to reduce harvest times). The Gelato is the only one i've seen to have to add short pheno from all the grow diaries I've seen so far but I may be wrong.

Thanks for the great info!

 

[pop22]

I just posted this in another thread. I touch on several myths

That's a myth. I've re-potted hundreds of autos. Here's the key. Transplant when the canopy is the width of the pot. That times it to when the roots have reached the bottom of the pot but have not circled much yet. Water lightly 10 minutes before before you transplant to hold the rootball together. I'd say my success is around 99.5%. I've even documented transplants showing noticeable growth within 12 hours from transplant.

You can top and use any training techique on them also. Their still just a weed lol! I did a true scrog on an auto ultimate and got 312 grams dry from it. She was topped and supercropped, defoliated all the usual you'd do in a scrog. Just like photos, you'll find a few that don't take well to plant training, but not many.

 

[EvilScotsm@n]

I’ve read a lot of people say you shouldn’t top auto but I’ve also seen some even mainline some of the larger strains. Any experience with heavy training an autos with these strains?

That's what dutch passion do mate. That was only my second ever plant too. It's a fuckin doddle with their genetics and an NFT table. I was trying to beat mr ganjamotos 36oz auto ultimate but failed miserably with 22oz.
17oz was good baggy material.
The other 5 oz I left curing for a few weeks and then sold it with the 6 or 7 oz I had left and he was happy so it still counts haha.


She was started in a root riot for about 6 days above ground.
Then into a 4inch rockwool for about 10 days.
All the while, under a 130w CFL in 14000k.

Then into the NFT table under and old mars 600 blurple (240w)
2 weeks of training then added another of the same lights. 480w total.

Topped at 4th node on day 17-20 and trained as symetricaly flat as I could.
Because of that she required ridiculous amounts of defol all the way through veg.
Followed by a few fairly heavy ones the first 4 weeks of bloom....And the last 2...

Any myths about autos or shit lighting she missed or did we get them all haha

Pain in the ass growing plants that size though. Very time consuming and goes wrong quite quickly if you're not on top of it.
Been at it nearly 5 years now and lost my first crop last year.
Was experimenting with no res changes and it went wrong half way through bloom.
Totally fucked me in every hole lol

 

[ApexseasOG]

That's what dutch passion do mate. That was only my second ever plant too. It's a fuckin doddle with their genetics and an NFT table. I was trying to beat mr ganjamotos 36oz auto ultimate but failed mirably with 22oz.
17oz was good baggy material.
The other 5 oz I left curing for a few weeks and then sold it with the 6 or 7 oz I had left and he was happy so it still counts haha.


She was started in a root riot for about 6 days above ground under
Then into a 4inch rockwool for about 10 days.
All the while, under a 130w CFL in 14000k.

Then into the NFT table under and old mars 600 blurple (240w)
2 weeks of training then added another of the same lights. 480w total.

Topped at 4th node on day 17-20 and trained as symetricaly flat as I could.
Because of that she required ridiculous amounts of defol all the way through veg.
Followed by a few fairly heavy ones the first 4 weeks of bloom....And the last 2...

Any myths about autos or shit lighting she missed or did we get them all haha

Pain in the ass growing plants that size though. Very time consuming and goes wrong quite quickly if you're not on top of it.
Been at it nearly 5 years now and lost my first crop last year.
Was experimenting with no res changes and it went wrong half way through bloom.
Totally fucked me in every hole lol

Yup, I think you got them all! thanks for the great post! By the way, is that the blackberry kush from DP? That canopy is on point! Great work!

 

[CannaOnerStar]

It seems that generally fastbuds strains tend to stay smaller than dutch passion, which may or may not be a good thing for you. You decide on that. Also dont think that auto version of a photo is an auto version of a photo. They are hybrids bred from the photo that are mixed with some different autoflowering strain and then they grow it a few generations and try to find similar to photo(and usually not stabilised nearly enough), but there will be more pheno variation and many of those phenos wont be anything like the "photo version" but in autoflower form. Some might be close and some might have less variation from the photo they try to copy or in general less variation in their phenos.

Look for reviews, photos of finished plants and how much people generally pull from them. growdiaries.com is a great place for that, but remember that some growers might be newbies and give wrong impression of a strain there.

What you like to smoke is not something that other people can really tell you. I havent grown any of those, so i dont know which one would be my favourite. I highly recommend also cheking out mephisto genetics for quality autoflowers

 

[ApexseasOG]

It seems that generally fastbuds strains tend to stay smaller than dutch passion, which may or may not be a good thing for you. You decide on that. Also dont think that auto version of a photo is an auto version of a photo. They are hybrids bred from the photo that are mixed with some different autoflowering strain and then they grow it a few generations and try to find similar to photo(and usually not stabilised nearly enough), but there will be more pheno variation and many of those phenos wont be anything like the "photo version" but in autoflower form. Some might be close and some might have less variation from the photo they try to copy or in general less variation in their phenos.

Look for reviews, photos of finished plants and how much people generally pull from them. growdiaries.com is a great place for that, but remember that some growers might be newbies and give wrong impression of a strain there.

What you like to smoke is not something that other people can really tell you. I havent grown any of those, so i dont know which one would be my favourite. I highly recommend also cheking out mephisto genetics for quality autoflowers

I've been wondering about that a lot actually and thank you for bringing that up and for the info. I always thought that adding the Ruderalis gene in another completely different strain and crossing it with the photo version would likely not result in something identical as said photo version; a simple genetics class will tell you that much. I was just hoping that it would be more than less; it'd be interesting to research if the ruderalis gene in crossing for autos is the recessive gene and how much of that gene pool is actually passed on.

Thanks for the recommendations!

 

[CannaOnerStar]

I've been wondering about that a lot actually and thank you for bringing that up and for the info. I always thought that adding the Ruderalis gene in another completely different strain and crossing it with the photo version would likely not result in something identical as said photo version; a simple genetics class will tell you that much. I was just hoping that it would be more than less; it'd be interesting to research if the ruderalis gene in crossing for autos is the recessive gene and how much of that gene pool is actually passed on.

Thanks for the recommendations!

But they dont use pure ruderalis anymore. Seed companies have some breeding autoflower strains that they use to pollinate similar photos. Im sure different breeders do it differently, but for example very sativa autoflower, some hybrid in the middle and a very strong indica. Then if they for example want to make an auto version of a sativa photo, they use the sativa breeding auto for it. So its not like they are inducing pure ruderalis genes anymore. Some older autoflower strains will be closer to ruderalis than the new ones you listed.

I grew one crystal meth auto from fastbuds and it had a very similar smell to zkittlez, so similar that im pretty sure that fastbuds used some zkittlez derived breeding auto with it. Zkittlez would make a great candidate for hybrid breeding because of its great terpene profile and decent THC %. I wouldnt wonder if they used the same breeding auto for large part of their strains. The fact that they dont have many real heavy indicas points out that fasbuds doesent have any super heavy indica breeding auto, but sativa and hybrid. Or maybe zkittlez as a more indica leaning hybrid and then some sativa leaning hybrid. Most likely they have more than two breeding plants tho

 

[PadawanWarrior]

Hello everyone! So i'm getting ready for my first auto grow; all of my previous experience has been with photos. I have some packs of these 4 strains and I was wondering which would you recommend to start off with. I've gathered that these are some good auto strains to try and i've had some experience with some of their photo genetic counterparts but never with an auto, so I thought i'd ask the experts. Please vote and/or share your reason/experiences if you can. Thanks!

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