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JoeRogan420

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So, i have a plant that is looking like it will yield approx half a pound indoor its fully female. id say a week or 2 and its done.

i have smaller plants that are like topped and 4 way LST, in week 4 veg.

i wonder if i could graft a vegging small plant onto a full force flowering root stock will make it flower really quickly ???

if i just continued to graft vegging plants onto a flowering plant would the flowering plant just keep flowering everything i graft to it really quickly since the whole root zone and trunk are already pumping flower hormones and nutes???

stoner thoughts lol
 
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JoeRogan420

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go go kid said:
i would reveg the plant after harvest, leave some smaller bud sites on her and get her growing again
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i dont wanna reveg it, just wondering if u could graft a vegging plant to a flowering stock would speed up flowering, maybe a 4 - 6 week flower is possible??
 
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Mak'er Grow

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I do not think it would do anything...grafting veg plant to flowering stock.
The veg plant would start flowering, if lights were set to flower cycle, but it would use the stock as a 'medium' if you will...it will grow in to it and continue its life cycle depending on light cycle.
Autos might be ok for a stock, but thats about all.
 
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KauaiVice

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This won't work, at least with photoperiods. Plants go into flower at individual bud sites, not globally. There is no 'central computer' in the plant that decides it's in flower now. If you cover a branch of a plant in veg with a bag, it will go into flower while the rest of the plant stays in veg. One of Cervantes' books has a photo of a plant where half of it was under a street light and stayed in veg and the other half went into flower.
 
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JoeRogan420

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KauaiVice said:
This won't work, at least with photoperiods. Plants go into flower at individual bud sites, not globally. There is no 'central computer' in the plant that decides it's in flower now. If you cover a branch of a plant in veg with a bag, it will go into flower while the rest of the plant stays in veg. One of Cervantes' books has a photo of a plant where half of it was under a street light and stayed in veg and the other half went into flower.
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darn
 
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BobCajun

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It would take the same amount of time. Did you think full sized buds would pop out in a few days? As the title of the thread said, it's a crazy idea. Besides, the flowering chemical is not pumped out from the roots and stalk, it comes from the leaves. I give you credit for a creative imagination though.
 
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Silky T

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JoeRogan420 said:
So, i have a plant that is looking like it will yield approx half a pound indoor its fully female. id say a week or 2 and its done.

i have smaller plants that are like topped and 4 way LST, in week 4 veg.

i wonder if i could graft a vegging small plant onto a full force flowering root stock will make it flower really quickly ???

if i just continued to graft vegging plants onto a flowering plant would the flowering plant just keep flowering everything i graft to it really quickly since the whole root zone and trunk are already pumping flower hormones and nutes???

stoner thoughts lol
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I didn't know it wasn't possible. Sometimes when I see a "HUGE TRUNK" and thick branches, I assumed they kept the plant in veg or grafted branches onto it. I don't know how in hell these ppl get such huge branches and trunks. They're not telling us their secret, that's for sure. I found the photo of the plant I was talking about. Looks like some grafting going on to me!
 

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Here's a good trick for getting short plants that grow big fast when you put them into flower. You veg them until they're quite big and have thick stems and then when you want to flower them you cut the whole top part off so it's just a few branches on the bottom left. Since the stalk is already thick and they have a lot of roots those few branches will quickly grow and you'll have a high yielding plant but not tall like if you hadn't cut the whole top part off. I cut them down to about half the original height.
 
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BobCajun said:
Here's a good trick for getting short plants that grow big fast when you put them into flower. You veg them until they're quite big and have thick stems and then when you want to flower them you cut the whole top part off so it's just a few branches on the bottom left. Since the stalk is already thick and they have a lot of roots those few branches will quickly grow and you'll have a high yielding plant but not tall like if you hadn't cut the whole top part off. I cut them down to about half the original height.
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What do you do with the top?
 
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JoeRogan420

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SnidleyBluntash said:
I always wondered this. So why don’t people flower their big plant and take one branch and keep it in veg, then be able to quickly reveg.
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I guess you could. U would just have to design a kind of light proof box/container. Containing Leds to extend the days for that branch. Or fully just encapsulate the branch and grow it inside of.the container and never.take it off only to trim it back and stuff. Then once u pull your buds. U will have a branch ready.to take.clones from if u are happy with the buds and want to run the strain again.

Would only be useful if it's the first time trying a strain and a.bit of a fuck around especially if u have many new plants instead of just one
 
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JoeRogan420

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BobCajun said:
It would take the same amount of time. Did you think full sized buds would pop out in a few days? As the title of the thread said, it's a crazy idea. Besides, the flowering chemical is not pumped out from the roots and stalk, it comes from the leaves. I give you credit for a creative imagination though.
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Nah I just though maybe take a few weeks off the flower time and maybe achieve a 5 week flower or some stoned crazy shit. Always thinking outside boxes even if it turns out to be wrong
 
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SnidleyBluntash

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JoeRogan420 said:
light proof box/container.
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I was thinking about having a hole in the tent just like a intake/exhaust and having the branch come out of the flower tent and into the veg tent. But that’s a good idea to keep the one branch in veg but I just thought of a possible problem, the nitrogen and other nutrients from flowering nutrients could mess with the in veg stem. It could probably come back to life though. Il try this next time.
 
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KauaiVice said:
This won't work, at least with photoperiods. Plants go into flower at individual bud sites, not globally. There is no 'central computer' in the plant that decides it's in flower now. If you cover a branch of a plant in veg with a bag, it will go into flower while the rest of the plant stays in veg. One of Cervantes' books has a photo of a plant where half of it was under a street light and stayed in veg and the other half went into flower.
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"Much progress has been made towards understanding the molecular mechanisms involved in the response to photoperiod in plants. These mechanisms include the detection of the light signal in the leaves, the entrainment of circadian rhythms, and the production of a mobile signal which is transmitted throughout the plant.
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Classical grafting experiments clearly demonstrated the existence of a graft‐transmissible flower‐inducing signal that moved from induced leaves through the phloem to the apex (reviewed in Thomas & Vince‐Prue, 1997). "

From: https://nph.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1469-8137.2008.02681.x (free access)
 
SnidleyBluntash

SnidleyBluntash

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Ok I’m going to put a cup over one branch and see what happens.

This could be a new revolution, where you cover Jon one branch and let it ‘sex’ it self, and let the rest of the plant veg.

Or split the plant in half and have one half in a flower tent and one in veg. Then keep flipping each tent and keep the plant alive forever
 
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Northwood

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SnidleyBluntash said:
Ok I’m going to put a cup over one branch and see what happens.

This could be a new revolution, where you cover Jon one branch and let it ‘sex’ it self, and let the rest of the plant veg.

Or split the plant in half and have one half in a flower tent and one in veg. Then keep flipping each tent and keep the plant alive forever
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I'd use a cup long enough to cover the entire branch to the point where no leaves exist on your plant. That would be a worthy test to see if the flower signaling producing proteins go only up the plant in the phloem, rather than up and down. If you just cover the end of the branch with leaves beneath, science says that you will grow popcorn under there. But considering phloem is a 2-way highway (multidirectional), it's likely it wouldn't make much a difference. The flowering singling proteins are not distributed by dead xylem that only transports upwards. I'm guessing you'll grow popcorn regardless, but it should be a fun little experiment in any case. Just don't do it over any important main colas you want to keep! Lol

I tend to look at published peer reviewed science, but you might break new scientific frontiers. Who knows.
 
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