SuperiorBuds
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I am running 220, 160, 45, and 25. 160 and 25 make hash for edibles and the 45 gives me the golden goodness. Here's some of the 45 from the last run after it came out of the freeze dryer.
First time making Bubble Hash - 74G total yield!
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DarkWeb
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Nice work
NukaKola
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Looks bomb! Freeze drying is definitely the way to go. Skipping from the 160u to 45u sounds like a good idea. Most my material was greenhouse with bigger glands so by the time it was filtered through the 120u & 73u the quality wasn’t great on the 45u. It was quite a bit darker and wasn’t super melty.
jonnynobody
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Now that's my kinda blonde
jonnynobody
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Please forgive my ignorance. Why does the tightest mesh produce low grade hash? Because I'm a few sandwiches short of a picnic I mistakenly omitted the 25 micron bag on 3 of my 4 runs, and didn't have a chance to observe what would have been caught in there. I'll be running my 2nd batch sometime this weekend. Possibly tomorrow. I'll take pictures of the pulls from inside the bag as I'm removing each one. Is the 25 so tight that it's just catching all the "crap" so to speak? 1 of my runs did have the 25 micron, but I don't remember what it looked like. I do remember having a small quantity of shit hash which is what I compressed into that disc. I'm wondering if that was the garbage I pulled from the 25 micron bag on the first run when I used all of the bags in the kit. I'm kinda thinking that's what it was, because I only have a small quantity of it which would make sense because I only did one run with the 25 micron bag.
DarkWeb
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From what I've read it's the stems not the heads.
SuperiorBuds
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Keep in mind it's not just the micron of the bag that matters, but also the bag above it.
In your case the 25 would contain everything between 25 and 72 microns. (Assuming 120 - 73 - 25 bag order that was posted earlier.) I feel like you could split yours out a bit further and separate some of that high quality stuff from the lower quality you'll be mixing with in the 25.
For me I will only clean out the 45 every wash. The 160 and 25 are strongly rinsed and moved around, but I don't collect those until they either plug the bags or I am done with that strain. That sped my process up quite a bit while still allowing me to collect from 3 separate bags.
I'm still learning too, though! It's definitely a fun process.
In your case the 25 would contain everything between 25 and 72 microns. (Assuming 120 - 73 - 25 bag order that was posted earlier.) I feel like you could split yours out a bit further and separate some of that high quality stuff from the lower quality you'll be mixing with in the 25.
For me I will only clean out the 45 every wash. The 160 and 25 are strongly rinsed and moved around, but I don't collect those until they either plug the bags or I am done with that strain. That sped my process up quite a bit while still allowing me to collect from 3 separate bags.
I'm still learning too, though! It's definitely a fun process.
Keesje
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There are several methods and they all have their supporters and their 'proof' to make the best hash.
One says: You need ice cubes with sharp edges.
The other guru says: Make sure to use crushed ice, or even better, only ice cold water.
One says: Heat it up once dried and process it further.
Another one says: Never use heat because it will remove this or that.
One says: You need ice cubes with sharp edges.
The other guru says: Make sure to use crushed ice, or even better, only ice cold water.
One says: Heat it up once dried and process it further.
Another one says: Never use heat because it will remove this or that.
do you have such an expensive machine like this?
SuperiorBuds
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Yes. I have the Harvest Right Medium Home freeze dryer.
I follow the advice of people like Frenchie and Pedro. When I'm washing it's not about the ice at all, no grinding (or else you get plant material). It's all about working in a cold room, with super cold water. I run a 10k BTU AC in my hash washing room attached to a Coolbot Pro. This tricks my AC into getting the room down below 40F.There are several methods and they all have their supporters and their 'proof' to make the best hash.
One says: You need ice cubes with sharp edges.
The other guru says: Make sure to use crushed ice, or even better, only ice cold water.
One says: Heat it up once dried and process it further.
Another one says: Never use heat because it will remove this or that.
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I also am running fresh frozen, so no heat applied until the rosin press to prevent loss of terpenes.
My highest quality hash is super melty. Just sitting in a 60F room the hash will start to melt together, so until it's pressed into rosin I only work with the material in the cold room.
jonnynobody
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I love your cabinets! The machines are unnecessary, but very cool. A commercial ice maker is the only piece of equipment I will be adding to my processing setup. A nice one is about $400. No more ice hauling. I also like the 220 micron bags that are mesh on all sides versus a bubble bag that's mesh only on the bottom. With the mesh all around the trichomes would more easily pass through the work bag.Yes. I have the Harvest Right Medium Home freeze dryer.
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I follow the advice of people like Frenchie and Pedro. When I'm washing it's not about the ice at all, no grinding (or else you get plant material). It's all about working in a cold room, with super cold water. I run a 10k BTU AC in my hash washing room attached to a Coolbot Pro. This tricks my AC into getting the room down below 40F.
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My washing machine is covered in a Pelle Polare neoprene insulation jacket. I filmed a test outside, 85F in direct sun and was able to maintain 31.2F water temp for 2 hours.
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I also am running fresh frozen, so no heat applied until the rosin press to prevent loss of terpenes.
My highest quality hash is super melty. Just sitting in a 60F room the hash will start to melt together, so until it's pressed into rosin I only work with the material in the cold room.
DarkWeb
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I agree with the full mesh work bag.
SuperiorBuds
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I disagree. While you don't need one to make hash, a freeze dryer removes 100% of the variables when drying. Pedro and Frenchie both say it's the biggest factor for creating quality hash, and after seeing the difference I totally agree.
I run a nice little ice maker, as well. Using RO water for everything from the wash, to the ice, to the rinse.
Again referring back to Pedro and Frenchie's methods -- I run without any work bag at all. The cold water vortex is what breaks the trichomes off, so you actually increase yields greatly w/o a work bag holding everything into a big mass.
For the sieving bags 100% mesh should be a requirement, though. Cheap bags will make inferior product -- the mesh can stretch, the stitching comes undone, and they can release broken fibers into your clean hash.
Throughbredred
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Good post
Keesje
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@SuperiorBuds
Wow, nice setup!
did you buy all the equipment specially for making hash?
Or are you using your partner's stuff that is normally used for dry-freezing vegetables and doing laundry?
So, do you use ice? Or do you tap off ice-cold water from melting ice cubes?
I think you can create the vortex also in the washing machine when you put all your dried leaves and such in a bag. If the bag is big enough.
Wow, nice setup!
did you buy all the equipment specially for making hash?
Or are you using your partner's stuff that is normally used for dry-freezing vegetables and doing laundry?
So, do you use ice? Or do you tap off ice-cold water from melting ice cubes?
I think you can create the vortex also in the washing machine when you put all your dried leaves and such in a bag. If the bag is big enough.
jonnynobody
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I'll have to do some reading on Pedro and Frenchie's methods. You've got the straight walter white setup dude
Love the ice maker! Awesome move on the RO feeding the machine. For the average home grower spending $2500+ for a freeze dryer to process the occasional batch of bubble hash isn't realistic. It's more a necessity for commercial growers when large amounts are being processed regularly and high yields are on the line. If you're processing $10k worth of hash every 11 weeks it would be kinda silly to risk loss to mold by not using a freeze dryer. I'd love to have one, but I don't process anywhere near that amount of hash to justify such an expense. Maybe down the road 
SuperiorBuds
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Thanks man, lots went into planning every step of the process out. All pieces of equipment were purchased especially for hash processing.
I am currently still using ice, however my water comes out at <40F and depending on if I'm doing fresh frozen or dried/cured depends on how much ice I use. I will probably try a run at some point with just ice cold water and see what the yields look like.
Haha thanks, there's a lot invested but in the long run it makes sense for me.
Totally understand, but keep in mind I'm also just a recreational home grower with a 12 plant limit. My flower room is 8 plants at a time and a large harvest can be anywhere from 8 - 14 pounds, with a quite a bit of trim. The hash process shortens my dry time from 14 to 7 days and virtually eliminates trim jail. (Buck and bag is way faster than a manicured trim job.) Then there's burping the jars so for a proper cure. Ugh.
Granted the wash eats up a lot of the time savings, but I still find washing better than trimming (and my hands don't hurt after haha). At this point I had hash but I needed to speed up the dry and eliminate possible issues, so the freeze dryer is the final piece that protects the harvest. At this point the dried hash can be stored in the freezer until I get around to pressing it all into rosin where it gets cured in the rosin fridge @ 50F.
So yes, there's a lot of expense involved, but the time savings and ease of long term storage of the harvest made it worth it for me. Plus, who doesn't want a fridge full of incredible 6* hash rosin.
Keesje
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Totally understand, but keep in mind I'm also just a recreational home grower with a 12 plant limit. My flower room is 8 plants at a time and a large harvest can be anywhere from 8 - 14 pounds, with a quite a bit of trim. The hash process shortens my dry time from 14 to 7 days and virtually eliminates trim jail. (Buck and bag is way faster than a manicured trim job.) Then there's burping the jars so for a proper cure. Ugh.
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So you turn your complete yield into hash?
If so, and let's pretend you would sell it.... Would you make more money from the amount of hash from 1 yield, then from selling nice buds?
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So you turn your complete yield into hash?
If so, and let's pretend you would sell it.... Would you make more money from the amount of hash from 1 yield, then from selling nice buds?
SuperiorBuds
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The majority is turned into hash, yes.
If you include equipment costs then definitely not, but realistically you should get a lot more profit.
Doing some basic math (lots of assumptions here).
If you have 16oz of fresh buds and you get 20% return on hash, then 80% return on rosin you're looking at 72g of hash rosin. Let's say oz's of flower go for $200 each. Hash rosin goes for $100 per gram (or more), so you're talking $3200 vs $7200. That's without factoring in labor savings from trimming or labor for washing, but it gives you an idea on how to calculate based on your local market.
Keep in mind that flower can be bought just about anywhere, but high quality hash rosin pulls a premium due to quality and rarity. (Most people only get it from dispensaries.) Dispensary pricing is crazy so it's hard to judge local markets -- you can see oz's of flower upwards of $500 and BHO going for $90 / gram here in Michigan. Crazytown...
harris hawk
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If you could only use 2 bags which one would you use ? 73 & 160 ? Great set up - got some good ideas from your post -- I do the dry ice method - starting to consider bubbling - in one book Hashish" by Clark states that for hash they use bags up-to 73 microns - Guess it depends on what you are making? hash or rosin (25 micron) ? thoughts ???? confused a bit on micron sizes
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WintersBones
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Excellent thread and discussion. I plan to do my first attempt at bubble hash in the coming weeks, so much useful info here, thanks everyone!