DrKiz
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THIS. For survival/danger recognition.
Aposematism comes to mind.
Seeing Numbers? 11:11? Synchronicities? Paranoia? Deja-vu's? Schizophrenia
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Aposematism comes to mind.
DrKiz
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I like the way you think and how well you explain yourself. Cool man.
I just found out recently that some people don’t think with an inner monologue, but rather with some sort of weird abstract thought/images.
Blew me away.
CannaOnerStar
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Thanks
Thats basically the core of Jungian psychology(analytical psychology) i explained there. He had some truly groundbreaking ideas about psyche, i strongly recommend checking out his work. There are quite many youtubers etc that are good sources. For example https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxP4O0AtAXDVMaqcqCVkGQ . Jungian psychology is largely based on ancient wisdom that originated from Egypt and Mesopotamia, had some Greek influences on the way and split into few different streams, out of which came eastern religions, like buddhism, gnosticism, and western alchemy. He also studied tons of mythology and so on, revived the gnostic/greek idea of archetypes, coined the terms introversion and extraversion and created a whole model of psyche from these archetypes being part of it, labeled different types of psyches(psychological types, which are also somewhat based on these old ideas), revived the idea of shadow and explained what ego is much better than Freud(this idea is also from Egyptians or from Mesopotamia from same times originally).The idea that the multiple Gods of Egypt(or hinduism for example) being parts of our psyche was something that ancient people knew, but it was only taught to priests and royals etc who went through the mystery schools and general people(who couldnt even read or write) were being told stories about these "gods" to illustrate some of the wisdom, but without revealing the whole truth(which required years of intense studies to comprehend and for it to even be wholly revealed, this idea today is in Freemasonry for example, where you learn bit more and more as you advance in your studies/training).
Yea i heard about some people not having inner monologues either, or inner dialogues(where you imagine a situation where you are in dialogue with someone and you emulate the behavior and responses of the other person). I think it could especially be these people who start to hear voices if they go psychotic, but thats just speculation based on the idea that its these unconscious parts of Self through which psychotic symptoms emerge. I dont think this inner monologue is something that those people lack, its just that their ego blocks it and they dont hear it or use it in any way, except often in unhealthy self criticism triggered by complexes, and according to my hypothesis also in psychosis(temporary or schizophrenia). I have noticed this in few people i know.
Its funny i also recently learned that its really rare and labeled as some sort of abnormality if you cant imagine in visually something. I seem to have this thing because my visualisation simply is not there. I also learned that it is taught as a part of some sort of therapy for these people that they learn to imagine things spatially through touch. Like holding a cube and trying to imagine the shape even if you dont visually see it. Which is funny because this is something i have done since i can remember. Like imagining complex shapes and for example seeing how they would fit i find very easy compared to many people and i do it without actually seeing them visually(as most people do when they imagine things). But its more like holding something in your hands, like one object on left hand and one on right hand, so that you can feel their shape and know it, but dont look at them(maybe you never seen them before), so you can easily for example feel with your hands if a hole in one object is larger than a rod on another object, so you know that the rod fits in the hole. Hard to explain, but im sure you get the idea from that stoned rambling
spliffendz
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You mention Jung, was there not a synchronistic story involving a golden scarab beetle?Thanks
The idea that the multiple Gods of Egypt(or hinduism for example) being parts of our psyche was something that ancient people knew, but it was only taught to priests and royals etc who went through the mystery schools and general people(who couldnt even read or write) were being told stories about these "gods" to illustrate some of the wisdom, but without revealing the whole truth(which required years of intense studies to comprehend and for it to even be wholly revealed, this idea today is in Freemasonry for example, where you learn bit more and more as you advance in your studies/training).
Yea i heard about some people not having inner monologues either, or inner dialogues(where you imagine a situation where you are in dialogue with someone and you emulate the behavior and responses of the other person). I think it could especially be these people who start to hear voices if they go psychotic, but thats just speculation based on the idea that its these unconscious parts of Self through which psychotic symptoms emerge. I dont think this inner monologue is something that those people lack, its just that their ego blocks it and they dont hear it or use it in any way, except often in unhealthy self criticism triggered by complexes, and according to my hypothesis also in psychosis(temporary or schizophrenia). I have noticed this in few people i know.
Its funny i also recently learned that its really rare and labeled as some sort of abnormality if you cant imagine in visually something. I seem to have this thing because my visualisation simply is not there. I also learned that it is taught as a part of some sort of therapy for these people that they learn to imagine things spatially through touch. Like holding a cube and trying to imagine the shape even if you dont visually see it. Which is funny because this is something i have done since i can remember. Like imagining complex shapes and for example seeing how they would fit i find very easy compared to many people and i do it without actually seeing them visually(as most people do when they imagine things). But its more like holding something in your hands, like one object on left hand and one on right hand, so that you can feel their shape and know it, but dont look at them(maybe you never seen them before), so you can easily for example feel with your hands if a hole in one object is larger than a rod on another object, so you know that the rod fits in the hole. Hard to explain, but im sure you get the idea from that stoned rambling
DrKiz
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Very awesome post. It tickles my brain. I’m working 7-12’s so I have no time to respond well right now, but this is really interesting as I’m on spectrum (Mild and functional) and have had a number of interesting head fucks over the years.Thanks
The idea that the multiple Gods of Egypt(or hinduism for example) being parts of our psyche was something that ancient people knew, but it was only taught to priests and royals etc who went through the mystery schools and general people(who couldnt even read or write) were being told stories about these "gods" to illustrate some of the wisdom, but without revealing the whole truth(which required years of intense studies to comprehend and for it to even be wholly revealed, this idea today is in Freemasonry for example, where you learn bit more and more as you advance in your studies/training).
Yea i heard about some people not having inner monologues either, or inner dialogues(where you imagine a situation where you are in dialogue with someone and you emulate the behavior and responses of the other person). I think it could especially be these people who start to hear voices if they go psychotic, but thats just speculation based on the idea that its these unconscious parts of Self through which psychotic symptoms emerge. I dont think this inner monologue is something that those people lack, its just that their ego blocks it and they dont hear it or use it in any way, except often in unhealthy self criticism triggered by complexes, and according to my hypothesis also in psychosis(temporary or schizophrenia). I have noticed this in few people i know.
Its funny i also recently learned that its really rare and labeled as some sort of abnormality if you cant imagine in visually something. I seem to have this thing because my visualisation simply is not there. I also learned that it is taught as a part of some sort of therapy for these people that they learn to imagine things spatially through touch. Like holding a cube and trying to imagine the shape even if you dont visually see it. Which is funny because this is something i have done since i can remember. Like imagining complex shapes and for example seeing how they would fit i find very easy compared to many people and i do it without actually seeing them visually(as most people do when they imagine things). But its more like holding something in your hands, like one object on left hand and one on right hand, so that you can feel their shape and know it, but dont look at them(maybe you never seen them before), so you can easily for example feel with your hands if a hole in one object is larger than a rod on another object, so you know that the rod fits in the hole. Hard to explain, but im sure you get the idea from that stoned rambling
Totally digging on what your saying and want to dig into the other things you brought up later.
I have inner monologue, dialogue and can also visualize shapes and patterns. IQ tests, for what they’re worth, usually put me in the 135-145 range for spatial tests.
I don’t hear voices, only my own.
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DCcan
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I had 2 peat grows where 666 ppm, 6.66 ph and 66.6f water just kept coming up constantly.I threw my phone under the bed ages ago only recently dug it out, I'd get an urge to swivel my head and 11:11 would be there, unless you go through it it's easy to say stop looking at the clock
I just figured Satan loves me.
Don't spend too many brain cells ciphering the universe, save that for acid.
spliffendz
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This shit actually started when I got a receipt total for £6.66I had 2 peat grows where 666 ppm, 6.66 ph and 66.6f water just kept coming up constantly.
I just figured Satan loves me.
Don't spend too many brain cells ciphering the universe, save that for acid.
Gemtree
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Or that's just what they want you to think
HydroKid239
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What a great guy.. he stuck around to dry my devils lettuce!I had 2 peat grows where 666 ppm, 6.66 ph and 66.6f water just kept coming up constantly.
I just figured Satan loves me.
Don't spend too many brain cells ciphering the universe, save that for acid.
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DCcan
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Devil's numbers look good for that, too
DrKiz
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@CannaOnerStar
Thankfully I'm on a gravy job with lots of standby. Had to get back into this thread. I'll definitely be checking out that video later on tonight. Sound like an avenue I'd like to explore. I really enjoy metaphysical, psychological, religious and other esoteric discussions.
The human mind fascinates me. Sometimes these discussions can become difficult, as there are quite a few intellectual cowards out there. I can tell that you're not one of them
I notice you mention the Mystery Schools. You ever listen to William Cooper's "Mystery Babylon"?.. if not you have to check it out! I must warn you it's like 40 hours, starts slow and builds on itself.
"I think it could especially be these people who start to hear voices if they go psychotic, but thats just speculation based on the idea that its these unconscious parts of Self through which psychotic symptoms emerge."
Well, I have personal experience with this. Self medicating combined with Western Medicine and lack of sleep in the past took me to a temporary psychotic break. The inner monologue/dialogue sounds much different than what I experienced with "hearing things". The inner monologue as you know, sounds like yourself... whereas "hearing things" is downright terrifying. It totally is a FOREIGN voice and sounds that shouldn't be there. This is why I ONLY rely on cannabis for medication. Varieties with CBD I find to be the most effective. I have never heard voices since that break. I just point this out to anyone out there that is struggling with thought ruminations or circular thoughts or scenarios... those are pretty much normal... so don't worry, your not going crazy... trust me, you'll know it if you have a break!!!!
"Like imagining complex shapes and for example seeing how they would fit i find very easy compared to many people and i do it without actually seeing them visually(as most people do when they imagine things). But its more like holding something in your hands, like one object on left hand and one on right hand, so that you can feel their shape and know it, but dont look at them(maybe you never seen them before), so you can easily for example feel with your hands if a hole in one object is larger than a rod on another object, so you know that the rod fits in the hole. Hard to explain, but im sure you get the idea from that stoned rambling"
Cool, I'm trying to get into your shoes because I see the shapes and can move them in my mind. Simply, I can visually see lego blocks in my head and build something out of them. The more complex it is the more I have to shut down the outside world. Focus. From what you're saying it's like you can FEEL the shapes physically and assemble them? Like closing your eyes and putting a key in a lock? You can feel the key in your hand and know where the lock is, and put it in the lock, but don't SEE the key or lock in your mind, you feel it in your hand? If I have it right that is fricken cool man! I can't comprehend it as everytime I close my eyes to put that key in the lock I can only see it in my head, not feel it. But, you're actually physically feeling the key in your hand? The texture, the metal, the grooves?
That's neat man, like thinking of infinity. When I hear that the galaxies and universe are infinite, it blows me away. It seems impossible. If I make it possible in my mind and visualize infinity... the galaxies and universes expanding ever outward with no beginning or end... I can't explain.. it makes feel like my mind is expanding out with it. Literally mind blowing! The thought of infinity makes me question reality more than anything. Head trip.
Anyways, probably sounds like a bunch of crazy rambling to most. I don't care... lol, most peoples biggest thoughts of the day are what's going on on facebook or their favorite TV. Small talk and mundane things show no interest to me. I rather not talk and think than talk about mundane things for more than a minute, and it's usually to humor/be polite to the person I'm talking to.
Thankfully I'm on a gravy job with lots of standby. Had to get back into this thread. I'll definitely be checking out that video later on tonight. Sound like an avenue I'd like to explore. I really enjoy metaphysical, psychological, religious and other esoteric discussions.
The human mind fascinates me. Sometimes these discussions can become difficult, as there are quite a few intellectual cowards out there. I can tell that you're not one of them
I notice you mention the Mystery Schools. You ever listen to William Cooper's "Mystery Babylon"?.. if not you have to check it out! I must warn you it's like 40 hours, starts slow and builds on itself.
"I think it could especially be these people who start to hear voices if they go psychotic, but thats just speculation based on the idea that its these unconscious parts of Self through which psychotic symptoms emerge."
Well, I have personal experience with this. Self medicating combined with Western Medicine and lack of sleep in the past took me to a temporary psychotic break. The inner monologue/dialogue sounds much different than what I experienced with "hearing things". The inner monologue as you know, sounds like yourself... whereas "hearing things" is downright terrifying. It totally is a FOREIGN voice and sounds that shouldn't be there. This is why I ONLY rely on cannabis for medication. Varieties with CBD I find to be the most effective. I have never heard voices since that break. I just point this out to anyone out there that is struggling with thought ruminations or circular thoughts or scenarios... those are pretty much normal... so don't worry, your not going crazy... trust me, you'll know it if you have a break!!!!
"Like imagining complex shapes and for example seeing how they would fit i find very easy compared to many people and i do it without actually seeing them visually(as most people do when they imagine things). But its more like holding something in your hands, like one object on left hand and one on right hand, so that you can feel their shape and know it, but dont look at them(maybe you never seen them before), so you can easily for example feel with your hands if a hole in one object is larger than a rod on another object, so you know that the rod fits in the hole. Hard to explain, but im sure you get the idea from that stoned rambling"
Cool, I'm trying to get into your shoes because I see the shapes and can move them in my mind. Simply, I can visually see lego blocks in my head and build something out of them. The more complex it is the more I have to shut down the outside world. Focus. From what you're saying it's like you can FEEL the shapes physically and assemble them? Like closing your eyes and putting a key in a lock? You can feel the key in your hand and know where the lock is, and put it in the lock, but don't SEE the key or lock in your mind, you feel it in your hand? If I have it right that is fricken cool man! I can't comprehend it as everytime I close my eyes to put that key in the lock I can only see it in my head, not feel it. But, you're actually physically feeling the key in your hand? The texture, the metal, the grooves?
That's neat man, like thinking of infinity. When I hear that the galaxies and universe are infinite, it blows me away. It seems impossible. If I make it possible in my mind and visualize infinity... the galaxies and universes expanding ever outward with no beginning or end... I can't explain.. it makes feel like my mind is expanding out with it. Literally mind blowing! The thought of infinity makes me question reality more than anything. Head trip.
Anyways, probably sounds like a bunch of crazy rambling to most. I don't care... lol, most peoples biggest thoughts of the day are what's going on on facebook or their favorite TV. Small talk and mundane things show no interest to me. I rather not talk and think than talk about mundane things for more than a minute, and it's usually to humor/be polite to the person I'm talking to.
DrKiz
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@DCcan @spliffendz @HydroKid239
Well, I guess there is the synchronicities that brought us to this thread. /jk
I had this happening to all my tent's this winter. EVERY fricken thermometer in my grow spaces when lights out were always 66.6 degrees... when I made the first reservoir after I started noticing it.. I overshot my ppm as I tend to do and just dilute... of course 666 ppm.
It freaked me out for a second in a weird way as Covid was just hitting and I allowed myself to tie it into religion and Revelation. I study too much shit to believe too hard in any one thing, so I leave most everything open to the realm of possibilites. Who am I and what do I know?
I put down synchronicities mainly to statistical probabilities and intent/manifestations.
I mean if there is infinity there is an unlimited number of possibilities, therefore there is an unlimited number of versions of you doing an unlimited number of things in an unlimited number of places. Fantastical!
Well, I guess there is the synchronicities that brought us to this thread. /jk
I had this happening to all my tent's this winter. EVERY fricken thermometer in my grow spaces when lights out were always 66.6 degrees... when I made the first reservoir after I started noticing it.. I overshot my ppm as I tend to do and just dilute... of course 666 ppm.
It freaked me out for a second in a weird way as Covid was just hitting and I allowed myself to tie it into religion and Revelation. I study too much shit to believe too hard in any one thing, so I leave most everything open to the realm of possibilites. Who am I and what do I know?
I put down synchronicities mainly to statistical probabilities and intent/manifestations.
I mean if there is infinity there is an unlimited number of possibilities, therefore there is an unlimited number of versions of you doing an unlimited number of things in an unlimited number of places. Fantastical!
CannaOnerStar
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Nah i havent listened to it. Ill look him up
Ah interesting.
Nah i dont mean that i imagine the physical sensation, altho i can also imagine physical sensations and movement quite well also(maybe from training martial arts as a kid and some again in early 20's and playing various musical instruments). I mean it more like if you know a room very well(like your bedroom), you can navigate in it with your eyes closed, right? Its this sort of spatial imagination, more than sensation, but to me at least it feels the same because after you hold and object and let go of it, there is similar spatial awareness of it. But also its qualities, like how fast would heavier object fall etc i include in it and basically all the necessary info to emulate something, but just not the visual aspect
I have also been a bit short sighted since teen, but i dont care to wear glasses or contacts, too much hassle and dry eyes. According to Jungs theory of personalities/psychologies, my attitude to external world is more intuitive and also feeling to lesser degree, but my internal thinking world outweights the intuition and my sensation is more focused on the subjective factors of sensations, than the actual physical stimuli. I think that also goes nicely hand in hand with the whole not being good with imagining visual things, i care more about what causes the visual thing and what its effect is That's neat man, like thinking of infinity. When I hear that the galaxies and universe are infinite, it blows me away. It seems impossible. If I make it possible in my mind and visualize infinity... the galaxies and universes expanding ever outward with no beginning or end... I can't explain.. it makes feel like my mind is expanding out with it. Literally mind blowing! The thought of infinity makes me question reality more than anything. Head trip.
Anyways, probably sounds like a bunch of crazy rambling to most. I don't care... lol, most peoples biggest thoughts of the day are what's going on on facebook or their favorite TV. Small talk and mundane things show no interest to me. I rather not talk and think than talk about mundane things for more than a minute, and it's usually to humor/be polite to the person I'm talking to.
Haha. Crazy ramblings are the best
Im tempted to write a long ass post about ourobos and holographic universe theory, but i dont really have time to write novels now, so ill just eave this post here:We Live In A Black Hole
https://www.southampton.ac.uk/news/2017/01/holographic-universe.page https://www.brandeis.edu/now/2018/november/thetake-podcast-hologram.html It's all just a projection from the mind...
www.rollitup.org
and this topic here:
Any gnostics/hermetists/alchemists around?
Or other related like Sufi, esoteric buddhists, theosophers etc?
www.rollitup.org
CannaOnerStar
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Yea i think i remember there was that. Its been quite a while since i studied Jung in more depth.
CannaOnerStar
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There is also this thing called confirmation bias, which i think is behind some of the stuff. However i do think that it does not explain real synchronicities, which i think are more like quantum entanglement, but in what manifests in mental level, not on this quantum "pre-physical" level of things.
Confirmation bias - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
spliffendz
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What are the chances or likelihood I get home from work to see a message from yourself on anti-semitism, not knowing which posts you were referring to or where I have seen your member name, and myself watching Inglourious Basterds the night before about killing Nazis?
Not sure if it comes under serendipity or lunacy
DrKiz
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Absolutely a lot is confirmation bias. But, imagine that one instance of infinity, due to infinite possibilities... where it’s always 66.6 degrees. With infinity it’s a 100% probability of that happening.
Imagine living in that possibility. That would head trip that version of me so hard. I wonder what someone would attribute it to then?
It’s out of all probability, really statistically impossible in a dynamic word.
Imagine coming to this forum and telling everyone, truthfully, that your thermometers always read 66.6... no matter what thermometers you use.
The reactions would be priceless.
Really enjoy reading what you wrote, and I’ll check out those links. I have some understanding of the holographic universe, and am going to enjoy unpacking those links. It’s a real treat to talk to someone and really have to analyze what’s being said.
DrKiz
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Such a simple sounding question that most would attribute to luck or coincidence!
There is a positive outcome here, interesting conversation, so the lunatic in me is leaning towards serendipity!
DrKiz
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I’m not trying to be argumentative, but (lol) I don’t agree with this statement. If you want to explore further and discuss that’s cool, otherwise I’ll leave this alone. Too much else to unpack.
All I can say on this is that we are still evolving, and that there are patterns too complex for the human mind to process, but this doesn’t mean that they don’t exist and aren’t important.... we’re just incapable of seeing them at this time.
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DrKiz
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I'm still on standby... so I dug into this video:
Synchronicity. I've been introspecting recently, where throughout my life it's.. "Oh, your such a nice guy, blah blah fucking blah.".
Before my response was a polite thank you, etc. Last 6 months or so it's been, with a firm smile.. "Well, no really I am not. I am a nice guy until I'm not."
(My shadow is literally screaming at them, "You don't fucking know me, let me just show you who I really really fucking am!")
I've been trying to balance this out. This video is totally getting into explaining this whole existential struggle I am feeling. Fantastic.
I mean literally if I took a psychosis test before I would be a 23-27/50... since getting diagnosed with Aspergers and gaining understanding of that and also I have really begun to explore consciousness, self improvement and spirituality, I have dropped this down to a 10/50. Major changes to lifestyle as well.
Here, some of you may be surprised:
Hare Psychopathy Checklist (Original) (PCL-22)
The Original Hare Psychopathy Checklist is a 22-item psychological assessment tool designed to assess the presence of psychopathy in individuals.
psychology-tools.com
That should be posted in the politics section. Although they would all lie about their high numbers.
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