Biden-Trump Debate Prep.

hanimmal

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Thanks for the reply @hanimmal

Quite a bit to digest. Looks like I have a little outside reading to do. I'd respond more but I'm working OT today.
Stay safe!

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Also, I am sorry I'm long winded sometime. I think this stuff is really important, and I really don't know how to cut through the noise out in the ether, so I try to be honest and complete when I respond. Even if it is a waste of time, it also helps me to remember what I am talking about when I link stuff so that I don't just start bullshitting.
 
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CunningCanuk

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That is a good point. I was thinking more righteous old guy anger about the Russian attack.

I was also thinking it would be a good idea for Biden to point out the illusion that millions of people will be under while watching the debates on websites like Fox news that are teeming with trolls in the live chat feeds changing what people think in real time about how the debates are going. It would be easy to do a camera monologue about how the people at home watching on youtube are exposed to propaganda that is subtly altering what they see. And more now than ever people need to be aware of the illusion Trump's trolls are creating. In the chat boxes all the vile inhumane language is actually because much of it is not being done by humans. And it is something he can do in real time as he transitions away from Trump's lies and pivots to the Russian attack on our nation (anything from the bounties on our troops, his treatment of our military adhering to a congressional subpoena, to attacking children on their video games) that is ongoing and unanswered by Trump.


And when Trump cries 'Russia, Russia, Russia' throw it right back in his face that this is the exact trope that the Russian military has been shown to have pushed in the Bi-Partisan, Republican led senate report on the Russian election attack.
I hope Biden will keep his cool and just talk about what he plans to do to get the country out of this mess. I think that approach will serve him well, but who knows? It’s tough to debate someone that has no grasp of reality or respect for the truth.
 

hanimmal

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Biden: "My fellow Americans, please raise your hands if you paid more in federal taxes than our self-declared billionaire president has."

https://apnews.com/article/archive-personal-taxes-donald-trump-f0e2af5f9f99de9d30dc6b9097121188
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President Donald Trump paid just $750 in federal income taxes the year he ran for president and in his first year in the White House, according to a report Sunday in The New York Times.

Trump, who has fiercely guarded his tax filings and is the only president in modern times not to make them public, paid no federal income taxes in 10 of the past 15 years.

The details of the tax filings complicate Trump’s description of himself as a shrewd and patriotic businessman, revealing instead a series of financial losses and income from abroad that could come into conflict with his responsibilities as president. The president’s financial disclosures indicated he earned at least $434.9 million in 2018, but the tax filings reported a $47.4 million loss.

The disclosure, which the Times said comes from tax return data it obtained extending over two decades, comes at a pivotal moment ahead of the first presidential debate Tuesday and weeks before a divisive election against Democrat Joe Biden.

Speaking at a news conference Sunday at the White House, Trump dismissed the report as “fake news” and maintained he has paid taxes, though he gave no specifics. He also vowed that information about his taxes “will all be revealed,” but he offered no timeline for the disclosure and made similar promises during the 2016 campaign on which he never followed through.

In fact, the president has fielded court challenges against those seeking access to his returns, including the U.S. House, which is suing for access to Trump’s tax returns as part of congressional oversight.

During his first two years as president, Trump received $73 million from foreign operations, which in addition to his golf properties in Scotland and Ireland included $3 million from the Philippines, $2.3 million from India and $1 million from Turkey. The president in 2017 paid $145,400 in taxes in India and $156,824 in the Philippines, compared to just $750 in U.S. income taxes.

Trump found multiple ways to reduce his tax bills. He has taken tax deductions on personal expenses such as housing, aircraft and $70,000 to style his hair while he filmed “The Apprentice.” Losses in the property businesses solely owned and managed by Trump appear to have offset income from his stake in “The Apprentice” and other entities with multiple owners.

During the first two years of his presidency, Trump relied on business tax credits to reduce his tax obligations. The Times said $9.7 million worth of business investment credits that were submitted after Trump requested an extension to file his taxes allowed him to reduce his income and pay just $750 each in 2016 and 2017.

Income tax payments help finance the military and domestic programs.

Trump, starting in 2010, claimed and received an income tax refund that totaled $72.9 million, which the Times said was at the core of an ongoing audit by the IRS.

Richard Neal, D-Mass., the chair of the House Ways and Means Committee who has tried unsuccessfully to obtain Trump’s tax records, said the Times report makes it even more essential for his committee to get the documents.

“It appears that the President has gamed the tax code to his advantage and used legal fights to delay or avoid paying what he owes,” Neal wrote in a statement. “Now, Donald Trump is the boss of the agency he considers an adversary. It is essential that the IRS’s presidential audit program remain free of interference.”

A lawyer for the Trump Organization, Alan Garten, and a spokesperson for the Trump Organization did not immediately respond to a request for comment from The Associated Press on the report.

Garten told the Times that “most, if not all, of the facts appear to be inaccurate.”

He said in a statement to the news organization that the president “has paid tens of millions of dollars in personal taxes to the federal government, including paying millions in personal taxes since announcing his candidacy in 2015.”

The New York Times said it declined to provide Garten with the tax filings in order to protect its sources.

During his first general election debate against Democrat Hillary Clinton in 2016, Clinton said that perhaps Trump wasn’t releasing his tax returns because he had paid nothing in federal taxes.

Trump interrupted her to say, “That makes me smart.”

Biden: "And how many of you would like a job that you funneled hundreds of millions of tax payer dollars into your bank account so you can play golf (insert hundreds of days Trump has spent at a golf course here) days since he assumed the highest office in the land."
 

hanimmal

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"It will be like Mike Tyson vs a three year old" lol

Sucked me in for the first 2 minutes.

The problem Rogan has is that when he calls a fight, he is actually watching the entire fight, and not just youtube clips of cherry picked moments of videos when he is discussing what he knows about.

That first clip is dealing with a 3 (or so) second time delay on the remote video, almost every newscast I have seen is having a learning curve with the starts/stops. To confuse that with some mental defect is just more false narrative from Joe.
 

VILEPLUME

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Sucked me in for the first 2 minutes.

The problem Rogan has is that when he calls a fight, he is actually watching the entire fight, and not just youtube clips of cherry picked moments of videos when he is discussing what he knows about.

That first clip is dealing with a 3 (or so) second time delay on the remote video, almost every newscast I have seen is having a learning curve with the starts/stops. To confuse that with some mental defect is just more false narrative from Joe.
He said in another clip that if the democrats were smart, they wouldn't participate in the debates.

Biden can't win against quick witted stupid.
 

hanimmal

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He said in another clip that if the democrats were smart, they wouldn't participate in the debates.

Biden can't win against quick witted stupid.


Trump is an obvious troll. If Biden/moderators can pull down the curtain on it since Trump doesn't have a helicopter drowning out questions he can't/doesn't want to answer it could go south fast for old Trumpkin.
 

VILEPLUME

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Trump is an obvious troll. If Biden/moderators can pull down the curtain on it since Trump doesn't have a helicopter drowning out questions he can't/doesn't want to answer it could go south fast for old Trumpkin.
No crowd this time, so it should be interesting.

 

Bublonichronic

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A snowflake!

That's what we call a troll who got his hand slapped, and put in a corner while wearing a dunce hat. :lol:


The hat fit you well.

:mrgreen:
Or you were feeling threatened and knew you had no legitemate argument so you silenced me, kinda typical of You snowflakes
 

waterproof808

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I used to think Joe was ok until he started falsely saying "antifa" was caught starting fires on the west coast. He had some interesting interviews in the past, paul stamets, Neil degrasse, etc. but supporting trump because he is good at ad hominem attacks is possibly one of the stupidest reasons to support a presidential candidate.
 
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