Dr. Who
Well-Known Member
NO!
The plant has about another 4-6 weeks any way!
It won't start bulking for at LEAST another week and then it'll be slow for another week. Then speed up.
Flushing now will only stunt it's growth.
PATIENCE!
Not bulking up
- Thread starter Tezza76
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The plant has about another 4-6 weeks any way!
It won't start bulking for at LEAST another week and then it'll be slow for another week. Then speed up.
Flushing now will only stunt it's growth.
PATIENCE!
twentyeight.threefive
Well-Known Member
The often misrepresented wattage "blurple" lights aren't terrible for veg but can struggle in flower compared to a quality LED or HID. It's important to know the true wattage in order to have an accurate idea of what type of area it can really cover.
If your light has multiple switches for veg and bloom then all switches should be on the entire grow. Good luck.
Richard Drysift
Well-Known Member
Of course you are and so is everyone else trying to grow their own pot indoors; better yields will come with more experience. The plants are flowering nicely and still have a long ways to go; they will get bigger and more dense in time. You not doing anything wrong. Nobody is saying you cannot use what you have either but the title of your thread is “not bulking up.” So if you are not satisfied with the size of the buds... and let’s face it if you were you wouldn’t have started this thread....
Whatever you feed them has very little to do with how big the buds get; bulk does not come from a bottle. Nutrients keep them healthy so they can grow but that’s about all they do. You can LST your plants and manipulate the light cycle to induce a bushier plant structure but you’ll still need lighting strong enough to get through even heavier canopy. The hands down easiest way to increase bud mass is to upgrade your lighting. It’s an investment we all had to make at some point; save your money & research wisely.
Hey thanks for ur feed back I appreciate it I just thought they would be a bit more full at this stage but as I have read that some strains slow the flowering down and in the last month they go nuts .the plant I have is supposed to be berry Ryder it has a very sweet smell after this one I have girl Scout cookies and I have se duckfoot coming
I will reiterate, just in case - the strain is not the issue, you need more powerful light to get full, thick, resinous buds. You can do everything else right, and still be disappointed, due to low strength light. The only way to improve that is to buy a better light, not more of the lights you have.
Yah I know can U tell me wats a good led full spectrum grow light
Cheapchimp
Member
This is where you get shocked by prices quoted.
Okay, I am running the HLG-550 R-Spec V2 from Horticulture Lighting Group, their newer version is the HLG-600.
The price is $849 but it is actually on sale right now for 15% off or $721.65.
This price is only good TODAY and expires 10/31/2020.
Now that is for flower in a 4x4 tent, anything larger, say 4x8 tent you could use two. Smaller tents they have smaller lights.
For my 2x4 veg tent I use the Spider Farmer SF-2000 on Amazon for $299. I am happy with it and get great results.
However, if I had to buy it again, I would buy the smaller HLG-300L B-Spec for $449.
It costs more than the Spider Farmer but I think the LED's are better quality. But that's just me, I don't mind spending more for better quality and better results.
I think at the very least it would be worth buying the SF-1000 on Amazon for $149, at least with that you are getting a full spectrum, good light intensity and even distribution. That would be good for a 2x2 tent, and you can veg and flower with the Spider Farmer, the results will be fine until you can afford something better, and you will avoid the blurpie issues with cheap lights.
I think $849 for the HLG-600 is a reasonable price for the quality of the light output/distribution, components, quantum board benefits*, lack of heat (and wasted energy), and end results is more than justified for anyone with experience and the demand for the output this light can produce.
For anyone just getting started, it is probably going to be shocking, but then again, how much does a serious weed smoker spend every month? When you add it all up, the investment is worth the cost and will pay for itself in no time.
I could buy an old school HID light drawing 1000 watts at the wall for $400 but then I have to vent all the heat and pay for the electricity wasted to produce this heat. That makes no sense to me, so even though this option is the least up front cost, it is the least attractive option overall.
I could buy the Black Dog LED PhytoMAX-2 600, for a whopping $1,549!!!
That to me is shocking. Why so much?
The web site says: At 630 actual watts and 961 μMol/s total photon flux, the patent-pending PhytoMAX-2 600 LED lights for growing will outperform any single-ended 1000W HPS light.
So now I compare that to the HLG-600, the light I use and recommend.
The specs for this light are: 60-600 watts (dimmable), Total PPF (μmol/s): 1521.98
Comparing the two lights, the HLG light uses 30 watts less light but outputs far more usable light, 1,521 PPF vs. 961 PPF.
If you compare the PPFD light intensity distribution across the tent, the HLG light outputs at least as much if not more usable light over the tent footprint. This is difficult to confirm, since Black Dog will only publish average PPFD while HLG will publish the lab results for the 4x4 grid.
This is important because one of the benefits of the quantum boards is they spread out the LED lights over a larger area than the Black Dog light, so that means more growth over the entire footprint of the tent, instead of more growth in the middle and less on the perimeter.
If you compare the light spectrum, the HLG light is a full spectrum light while the Black Dog is an expensive blur pie light. This is confirmed by a comparison of the two light wavelength tests.
First we have Black Dog:
Then we have HLG:
Now last but not least, we have a $135 KingPlus blur pie LED from Amazon, and we have a very similar light spectrum output to the Black Dog above:
As you can see, the Black Dog and KingPlus lights both call themselves "full spectrum" but they are not - only the HLG light has full spectrum output intensity in yellow and orange, the other two are almost identical. So how can they all be "full spectrum"?
Well, the Black Dog and Amazon lights are both putting out some light in all the wavelengths, so technically they are "full spectrum" lights. They claim to be optimized for plant growth but no one believes that about the cheap blur pie lights on Amazon.
Now the real question, why does the Black Dog cost twice as much as the HLG light?
Or better yet, why does Black Dog sell anything at all?
And if you can buy a state of the art quantum board for half as much, why buy a Black Dog light that needs 5 fans to keep cool, all wasted electricity, and no dimmer?
Despite all this evidence, a friend of mine just convinced himself to buy the Black Dog LED. I am scratching my head.
Bottom line is, in my opinion the quantum boards from HLG are well worth the money. I would compare them to all other options.
twentyeight.threefive
Well-Known Member
Some people convince themselves that more money = greater quality. At least you tried!
Dr. Who
Well-Known Member
I think $849 for the HLG-600 is a reasonable price for the quality of the light output/distribution, components, quantum board benefits*, lack of heat (and wasted energy), and end results is more than justified for anyone with experience and the demand for the output this light can produce.
For anyone just getting started, it is probably going to be shocking, but then again, how much does a serious weed smoker spend every month? When you add it all up, the investment is worth the cost and will pay for itself in no time.
I could buy an old school HID light drawing 1000 watts at the wall for $400 but then I have to vent all the heat and pay for the electricity wasted to produce this heat. That makes no sense to me, so even though this option is the least up front cost, it is the least attractive option overall.
I could buy the Black Dog LED PhytoMAX-2 600, for a whopping $1,549!!!
That to me is shocking. Why so much?
The web site says: At 630 actual watts and 961 μMol/s total photon flux, the patent-pending PhytoMAX-2 600 LED lights for growing will outperform any single-ended 1000W HPS light.
So now I compare that to the HLG-600, the light I use and recommend.
The specs for this light are: 60-600 watts (dimmable), Total PPF (μmol/s): 1521.98
Comparing the two lights, the HLG light uses 30 watts less light but outputs far more usable light, 1,521 PPF vs. 961 PPF.
If you compare the PPFD light intensity distribution across the tent, the HLG light outputs at least as much if not more usable light over the tent footprint. This is difficult to confirm, since Black Dog will only publish average PPFD while HLG will publish the lab results for the 4x4 grid.
This is important because one of the benefits of the quantum boards is they spread out the LED lights over a larger area than the Black Dog light, so that means more growth over the entire footprint of the tent, instead of more growth in the middle and less on the perimeter.
If you compare the light spectrum, the HLG light is a full spectrum light while the Black Dog is an expensive blur pie light. This is confirmed by a comparison of the two light wavelength tests.
First we have Black Dog:
Then we have HLG:
Now last but not least, we have a $135 KingPlus blur pie LED from Amazon, and we have a very similar light spectrum output to the Black Dog above:
As you can see, the Black Dog and KingPlus lights both call themselves "full spectrum" but they are not - only the HLG light has full spectrum output intensity in yellow and orange, the other two are almost identical. So how can they all be "full spectrum"?
Well, the Black Dog and Amazon lights are both putting out some light in all the wavelengths, so technically they are "full spectrum" lights. They claim to be optimized for plant growth but no one believes that about the cheap blur pie lights on Amazon.
Now the real question, why does the Black Dog cost twice as much as the HLG light?
Or better yet, why does Black Dog sell anything at all?
And if you can buy a state of the art quantum board for half as much, why buy a Black Dog light that needs 5 fans to keep cool, all wasted electricity, and no dimmer?
Despite all this evidence, a friend of mine just convinced himself to buy the Black Dog LED. I am scratching my head.
Bottom line is, in my opinion the quantum boards from HLG are well worth the money. I would compare them to all other options.
NICE post!
There are HLG "copies" out there that match and surpass their boards and for about half the price.
I just ran side by side runs with them and an HLG and 1K HPS in Jupiter 6 hoods (20% more reflected light hood)..
The hand built copies are now hanging in my whole bloom area's.
I run shorter and more bulkier plants now but gained yield.
The HLG is stored in reserve....
Here's his store - https://www.ebay.com/str/hygrowlighting
Check the big DE equivalent board.
He use's H and not B diodes too. HLG say's they're the same but Samsung say's NO!
This guy and his son make some REAL good stuff!
Thanks mate ,this is my first one I've done so I know I have to work things out and I know that I mite not get a good yeld this time but I have come realize that my soil I'm using is to dense and it's not allowing the roots of the plant to get any oxygen I found this out because I have harvested it already coz there was no more white hairs on it and the crystals were a amber colour so next time I'm goin' to use rock wool and hopefully it shall be much better ,with this lot I will smoke some and make oil with the rest