This isn't over.
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captainmorgan
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These nuclear facilities are probably buried deep beyond what bunker busting bombs can do, will he nuke them?
printer
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The point will be that he tried, not whether he will be successful. That is all his followers care about. America sticks its chest out and gives them something to feel proud of.
smokinrav
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The US has spent years developing a bunker buster just for Iran. Don't doubt it's ability with a trillion dollar "defense" budget.
Also, a good rule of thumb with US military development is if the public knows about it, the next generation has concluded R&D and testing and is ready to go. And the generation after that is under development
Also, a good rule of thumb with US military development is if the public knows about it, the next generation has concluded R&D and testing and is ready to go. And the generation after that is under development
DIY-HP-LED
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I doubt the uniformed military would allow the use of nukes by Trump, it would be an illegal order on several levels. First use of nuclear weapons would have severe consequences for America. You would have to pay trillions in compensation if you nuked a city. Any admiral or general officer, or even ordinary officer, who participated in such an illegal nuclear attack could end up on the wrong end of a rope. I figure they know this might be coming and have anticipated it, resigning would not be an option either, it would be a stand and fight issue. Trump would have to find someone to storm the Pentagon, but they would stage a coup first rather than follow the order and if they did that Trump would most likely end up dead.
DIY-HP-LED
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smokinrav
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Bunker busters dont have to be nuclear (tho they do exist) and those that use kinetic energy, aren't limited to just one missile. They can follow one kinetic energy missile after another into the same hole.
In fact, exploding a nuclear weapon anywhere, anytime, in any form is so far off the table as to be unfathomable.
In fact, exploding a nuclear weapon anywhere, anytime, in any form is so far off the table as to be unfathomable.
DIY-HP-LED
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DIY-HP-LED
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DIY-HP-LED
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Have faith in Donald, if anybody can split them into two parties, it's Trump. If Donald walks away with 20% of their base they are fucked as a national party with this close an electorate. Trump running an alternate slate of republican senators in 2022 against the establishment types would damage them badly. Unless Donald goes to prison and is silenced, he will continue to control these gutless assholes, Mitch isn't making any moves until after the Georgia election. If he loses his majority because of Trump he will be very unhappy, if he wins it, Trump will be a major pain in the ass for him until imprisoned.
CunningCanuk
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It doesn’t work that way. The President is the commander in chief and what he decides is considered an order.
Why do you think an order to use nuclear weapons is illegal?
hanimmal
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I think it would have to actually be in a war (I can be wrong here, this is just me bullshitting), which means congressional approval.
And 'Because Jared told me that MBS asked really nicely' is not going to cut it. At least I hope. It sucks what Trump is doing to Iran in his last days in office. And we will all be left dealing with the consequences.
Yet another thing that Russia will have to pay for when the dust settles. They own Trump as much as the Republicans in our nation and any other foreign dictator that has been mucking about in the attack on our citizens.
DIY-HP-LED
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I understand how it works, or is suppose to, the pentagon gives the president the military situation and are aware of the threats. First use of nuclear weapons against a non nuclear power is illegal under US law and treaties, as well as the UN conventions. It might cost them their careers, but it won't happen and Trump would have to send an armed force to the pentagon to make it happen. They would consult with the congressional leadership and Joe first, they would have time, there are no nuclear missiles about to rain down on America.
No one is gonna take such an order from some Trump weenie with 2 weeks of government service left. Using nukes is a life changing and possibly ending probability for any officer involved right down to 2nd lieutenant. If they nuked a city in Iran they would pay trillions in compensation and be cut off from the rest of the planet including this country. With in a decade an American city or several would be nuked with smuggled nukes as retaliation. Just one nuke above the center of the continent would bring down the power grid by frying all the distribution transformers, 80% of the population (including us) would starve to death within a year.
CunningCanuk
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I don’t believe congressional approval is required for the president to launch nuclear weapons. The launch codes are near him at all times for the purpose of a quick retaliatory response in the event of an attack on the US.
I think we can agree that trump’s inclination for impulsive decisions brings dangerous possibilities in the waining days of his presidency.
I think we can agree that trump’s inclination for impulsive decisions brings dangerous possibilities in the waining days of his presidency.
CunningCanuk
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The launch codes are always near the president for a reason. If Russia, for example initiated a nuclear attack on the US, the president isn’t going to have time to consult with congress.
It’s not unthinkable to imagine trump using nuclear weapons. The man who separates families and locks children in cages is not that concerned about the humanitarian implications of anything he does.
DIY-HP-LED
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The football and biscuit are with Trump, but it goes to the pentagon and they launch. US nukes are nominally targeted at the open ocean these days and the targets are entered into the system before launch. Donald doesn't have a big red button that says NUKE IRAN, he has a football that he does not know how to use, even though he was briefed. Shit he probably left the biscuit in his nightstand drawer, or gave it to Vlad as a souvenir. Nope to attack Iran on any level would required a meeting or a phone call to the pentagon, any war requires planning, usually before the attack.
Israel and Saudi Arabia are trying to provoke war with Iran, but they know Trump is itching to use nukes on somebody, anybody really (except Russia), just to see how it would feel and to fuck over Biden. Yep Vlad would like Trump to nuke Iran, think of how much that would cripple and slow down a future American nuclear response.
hanimmal
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Declaring war is a act of congress.
That was why I made the leap due to the wording "law of war governs use of nuclear weapons".
Trump can't declare war.