Should I be watering to runoff?

PadawanWarrior

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No...I don't have any problems... yet. I just up potted. Ffhf soil should get me a couple weeks. I just wanna be sure if I see yellowing happening, my top dress will start working right away. I hate yellow leaves. Lol
You should be proactive. So try to feed them Craft Blend before they start yellowing. The fish hydrolysate is pretty fast acting, so it's good to have some on hand. I use Neptune's Harvest Fish and Seaweed sometimes.

And if you want it faster acting, mix the stuff up and let it cook first.
 

Hollatchaboy

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I don't do organics, so I can do 2 styles, I can water to runoff if I'm really dialed in, or if I'm not, I water to more run-off and do a mini flush with each feeding, both styles work with salts. I understand with organics you don't want to wash away you got in there, but it seems to me that dry bottoms or under watering would be worse.
Well, I'm not an expert, but I don't believe roots can stay dry for all that long. I use fabric pots so my soil dries out relatively quick. Seems like my roots would suffer if I didn't get the dirt wet. Lol. I used to do the salt, soil combo years ago and it worked well. I just can't seem to remember what nutes we used back then, otherwise id try them.
 

Hollatchaboy

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You should be proactive. So try to feed them Craft Blend before they start yellowing. The fish hydrolysate is pretty fast acting, so it's good to have some on hand. I use Neptune's Harvest Fish and Seaweed sometimes.

And if you want it faster acting, mix the stuff up and let it cook first.
I'm afraid of adding it too soon. Lol. I guess if I wanna do organic, I should get all the organic amendments to have on hand. How long do you let the mix cook for?
 

PadawanWarrior

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I'm afraid of adding it too soon. Lol. I guess if I wanna do organic, I should get all the organic amendments to have on hand. How long do you let the mix cook for?
I do it until it cools off, and isn't warm anymore. You can also make a mix up and just keep it moist and it'll be ready to use whenever you need to give them some nutrients. Kinda like top dressing with a little super soil and just watering it in.

If it dries out, it's not a huge loss. The nutrients will still be there, but the life just won't be what it was before.

The Craft Blend should have all you really need in it for awhile. You don't need all the shit I've accumulated, lol.
 

Hollatchaboy

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I do it until it cools off, and isn't warm anymore. You can also make a mix up and just keep it moist and it'll be ready to use whenever you need to give them some nutrients. Kinda like top dressing with a little super soil and just watering it in.

If it dries out, it's not a huge loss. The nutrients will still be there, but the life just won't be what it was before.

The Craft Blend should have all you really need in it for awhile. You don't need all the shit I've accumulated, lol.
I do it until it cools off, and isn't warm anymore. You can also make a mix up and just keep it moist and it'll be ready to use whenever you need to give them some nutrients. Kinda like top dressing with a little super soil and just watering it in.... ok. I understand that. It makes sense. So I should make a mix now, and just keep it moist until needed cuz I believe it'll just be a couple of more weeks anyways.

The Craft Blend should have all you really need in it for awhile. You don't need all the shit I've accumulated, lol.... ok, I won't then. I'll take your word for it. Lol
 

drsaltzman

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How is it too late to switch to organic. Give a nice watering til runoff to wash out the salts. I told someone do that mid grow and his plants came out great. If you aren’t an experienced grower, bottled nutes can be difficult. Getting his soil right can definitely save them plants.
OK, I realize this thread is turning into an organic thread, but did anyone notice the OP never mentioned organics?
Dude is just trying to save his/her grow.
It's great that there are people here who give back their experience and their knowledge, from all corners.
But he'll be in week 7 of flower by the time this thread dies LOL. You're not rebuilding soil or changing your environment in that time.
So get your plants some nutrition that they need. Finish your grow.
If you were bleeding and the doctor told you your cut would heal in 3 weeks, or he/she could stitch it right now to assist, what are you gonna do?
Next time, if so inclined, build a soil. It's fun. You can get great results.
Or don't and use bag soil and bottled nutes and get great results too.
In my experience you don't need triple series, or terpenators or bud candies ... or molasses or castings or compost ... just simple macros and micros along with some microbes. But that's me. Doesn't make me a better grower than the next person. Just makes me happy, and successful.
 

PadawanWarrior

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I do it until it cools off, and isn't warm anymore. You can also make a mix up and just keep it moist and it'll be ready to use whenever you need to give them some nutrients. Kinda like top dressing with a little super soil and just watering it in.... ok. I understand that. It makes sense. So I should make a mix now, and just keep it moist until needed cuz I believe it'll just be a couple of more weeks anyways.

The Craft Blend should have all you really need in it for awhile. You don't need all the shit I've accumulated, lol.... ok, I won't then. I'll take your word for it. Lol
Ya, you can make up a mix now so it's ready, then just top dress a little when they need it. You can start with just giving them a little, and then add more after you see what they like. That's just one was to do it. You can just top dress it too without mixing it up and letting it cook first. That's what I did at first.

You can build up your dry amendment selection as you go. But the Craft Blend is good by itself.
 

Hollatchaboy

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OK, I realize this thread is turning into an organic thread, but did anyone notice the OP never mentioned organics?
Dude is just trying to save his/her grow.
It's great that there are people here who give back their experience and their knowledge, from all corners.
But he'll be in week 7 of flower by the time this thread dies LOL. You're not rebuilding soil or changing your environment in that time.
So get your plants some nutrition that they need. Finish your grow.
If you were bleeding and the doctor told you your cut would heal in 3 weeks, or he/she could stitch it right now to assist, what are you gonna do?
Next time, if so inclined, build a soil. It's fun. You can get great results.
Or don't and use bag soil and bottled nutes and get great results too.
In my experience you don't need triple series, or terpenators or bud candies ... or molasses or castings or compost ... just simple macros and micros along with some microbes. But that's me. Doesn't make me a better grower than the next person. Just makes me happy, and successful.
Ya, you can make up a mix now so it's ready, then just top dress a little when they need it. You can start with just giving them a little, and then add more after you see what they like. That's just one was to do it. You can just top dress it too without mixing it up and letting it cook first. That's what I did at first.

You can build up your dry amendment selection as you go. But the Craft Blend is good by itself.
Letting it cook first will break down organic material and make them more readily available though, right? I know I ask a lot of questions but I wanna make sure I know all the angles. Lol... and thanks for the help btw. I never would have figured this out on my own. Lol
 

PadawanWarrior

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OK, I realize this thread is turning into an organic thread, but did anyone notice the OP never mentioned organics?
Dude is just trying to save his/her grow.
It's great that there are people here who give back their experience and their knowledge, from all corners.
But he'll be in week 7 of flower by the time this thread dies LOL. You're not rebuilding soil or changing your environment in that time.
So get your plants some nutrition that they need. Finish your grow.
If you were bleeding and the doctor told you your cut would heal in 3 weeks, or he/she could stitch it right now to assist, what are you gonna do?
Next time, if so inclined, build a soil. It's fun. You can get great results.
Or don't and use bag soil and bottled nutes and get great results too.
In my experience you don't need triple series, or terpenators or bud candies ... or molasses or castings or compost ... just simple macros and micros along with some microbes. But that's me. Doesn't make me a better grower than the next person. Just makes me happy, and successful.
Well the very first thing he said was that he was using FFOF which is organic, and he was using Down to Earth amendments, which is also organic.

He's asking about runoff, so it's important to know how he's growing. Because I will have 2 different answers to the question depending on how he's growing, so that's the first thing I tried to decipher. With chemicals I would say Yes we want runoff. In soil with organics I would say No.

So It Matters!
 

PadawanWarrior

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Letting it cook first will break down organic material and make them more readily available though, right? I know I ask a lot of questions but I wanna make sure I know all the angles. Lol... and thanks for the help btw. I never would have figured this out on my own. Lol
No worries man. And yes, cooking it will make it more readily available and it'll work faster. You get it.
 

Hollatchaboy

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Well the very first thing he said was that he was using FFOF which is organic, and he was using Down to Earth amendments, which is also organic.

He's asking about runoff, so it's important to know how he's growing. Because I will have 2 different answers to the question depending on how he's growing, so that's the first thing I tried to decipher. With chemicals I would say Yes we want runoff. In soil with organics I would say No.

So It Matters!
So don't water to runoff? How do you make sure you get your soil completely wet?
 

Skuxx

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I mean if it's just a little bit of runoff sure that's fine. It will suck back up the bottom within minutes. When I hear runoff I'm thinking like excess water that has to be removed or drained, which there is no point in doing that with dry amendments and soil. It wastes microbes and nutes doing that.
 

Hollatchaboy

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I mean if it's just a little bit of runoff sure that's fine. It will suck back up the bottom within minutes. When I hear runoff I'm thinking like excess water that has to be removed or drained, which there is no point in doing that with dry amendments and soil. It wastes microbes and nutes doing that.
Ok. I was led to believe to saturate the soil so there no dry pockets, but at the same time it makes sense because there is no salts to buildup.
 

PadawanWarrior

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Ok. I was led to believe to saturate the soil so there no dry pockets, but at the same time it makes sense because there is no salts to buildup.
Yucca will help prevent dry spots. I started using it again occasionally. I went over a year without adding any yucca, and so I really noticed that my soil became more absorbent after using it. There's other stuff you can use too. I think aloe is another one.
 

Hollatchaboy

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Skuxx summed it up nicely. I try not to get runoff, but I like to see a little water come out the bottom and then get sucked back up so I know I saturated all the soil. Any extra I suck up with a shopvac.
Ok. I'll change my watering. I was doing about 10th of a gallon water to a gallon soil. I'll drop it down a bit.
 

maranibbana

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Yucca extract for all you peat users
Ok. I'll change my watering. I was doing about 10th of a gallon water to a gallon soil. I'll drop it down a bit.
10% should be ok tho haha I know you get tossed around as far as one person advises this and another advises the opposite and it can get confusing and that’s bc there so many variables in different grows to account for.. a little run off is ok but I do aim for none. In air pots that aren’t made for living soil (they have a liner in them) the water tends to shoot out the side walls before going down and out into the soil, so it’s hard there and almost impossible to not have run off bc half the water runs right out of the pot bc the peat is hydrophobic when dry etc
 

Hollatchaboy

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10% should be ok tho haha I know you get tossed around as far as one person advises this and another advises the opposite and it can get confusing and that’s bc there so many variables in different grows to account for.. a little run off is ok but I do aim for none. In air pots that aren’t made for living soil (they have a liner in them) the water tends to shoot out the side walls before going down and out into the soil, so it’s hard there and almost impossible to not have run off bc half the water runs right out of the pot bc the peat is hydrophobic when dry etc
Yes I use smart pots. I think i said air pots, but either way, I get a lil water out the sides but I worry about the deep roots not getting enough water. That's the only reason I water as much as I do.
 
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