Will You Take The Vaccine?

Are you going to take the corona virus vaccine?

  • No.

  • Yes.


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Blue brother

Well-Known Member
i guess you would have to know me. i didn't mean to ruffle the feathers.
Far from it mate, we’re all in the same boat here. Do you share any beliefs with the libertarians? I do, Infact I share beliefs with most parties in some way shape or form. It’s just a shame that we the people can only choose one or another. Forcing us to go with the lesser evil and just accept that we will never be satisfied by government.
 

Sativied

Well-Known Member
Is this the disinformation?

I wasn’t the one to start this thread not was I the person or part of the people who took this in a political direction, citing their claims that Biden would sort it out, trump was bad, this conversation was allready started when I put in my 2 pence. If you look at my first reply to the thread it was a statement I made about the “truth” the us government speaks. I fully believe in Covid, my aunty has it, I do believe in the safety and validity of “some” vaccinations. I don’t believe every word that the new best person in politics is saying.
Remember these people are supposed to be impartial and only do what’s best for the people.
The disinformation was in the context of this thread yes. Not coming from you.

You are actually the one who took a post to a more political direction and went off the rails, which is obviously fine considering the subforum we’re in but it was also a strawman. Is it wrong to remind someone of the dangers of disinformation by using one of the biggest bullshitters in politics ever?

If you can’t trust a government to tell the truth all the time 100%, then how do u personally go about picking and choosing the bits u believe? How do u get the truth from a liar? How are u able to trust what liars say?
That could take a few pages... It obviously depends a lot on the topic, and when it comes to covid and vaccines I compare the statements of politicians, doctors, other medical experts, authoritative scientific resources, people with experience, apply scepticism and reason and than come to the conclusion the risk of vaccines are negligible compared to the risk of covid. How is fully trusting the word of politicians 100% of the time a requirement for taking a vaccine? It seems to me you are overcomplicating matters. Everyone knows all politicians lie and you can’t just take their words as the absolute truth.
 

CCGNZ

Well-Known Member
Far from it mate, we’re all in the same boat here. Do you share any beliefs with the libertarians? I do, Infact I share beliefs with most parties in some way shape or form. It’s just a shame that we the people can only choose one or another. Forcing us to go with the lesser evil and just accept that we will never be satisfied by government.
That's one area where we owe some gratitude to the CHEETOMAN, he shined a spotlight on a lot of complete cowardly,self serving maggots who were in the cracks not in plain view,so many Reps exposed as completely VILE who didn't come to the surface under the status quo. the one thing that can be taken from all of this. Previously we may have suspected these things but KNOW WE REALLY KNOW.Thanks Donald.ccguns
 

Blue brother

Well-Known Member
The disinformation was in the context of this thread yes. Not coming from you.

You are actually the one who took a post to a more political direction and went off the rails, which is obviously fine considering the subforum we’re in but it was also a strawman. Is it wrong to remind someone of the dangers of disinformation by using one of the biggest bullshitters in politics ever?

That could take a few pages... It obviously depends a lot on the topic, and when it comes to covid and vaccines I compare the statements of politicians, doctors, other medical experts, authoritative scientific resources, people with experience, apply scepticism and reason and than come to the conclusion the risk of vaccines are negligible compared to the risk of covid. How is fully trusting the word of politicians 100% of the time a requirement for taking a vaccine? It seems to me you are overcomplicating matters. Everyone knows all politicians lie and you can’t just take their words as the absolute truth.
Thankyou for your reply, if you read carefully you will see the threshold for information about lying politicians had allready been met before I decided to speak of it. You’re using Donald trump as the example of disinformation? Would it not be far more accurate to say that the source of disinformation is the government? Considering lies and scandals like these have been at the centre of us administration for over a century ? Long before trump. How do you compare trumps disinformation with the likes of George bush Jnr telling the world Iraq had wmd? And then subsequently invading that country costing the tax payer and killing our brave armed forces?. It’s not wrong to use a specific example. But it’s certainly not the whole picture.

I agree we have to make our own choices based on the information we have to hand. But what information do we actually have to hand that hasn’t at some point been subject to censorship? Healthcare professionals vetted for tv or radio based on their personal belief. The closest u have to an accurate source is the personal experience of someone you trust or yourself. You make the choice to trust a source or many based on how legitimate each source sounds, but remember these are all subject to censorship.

We won’t ever know what’s true and what’s not because we’re being lied to in order for an agenda to be pushed. Been happening for millennia. And it’s certainly not Covid specific. Far from it. People are waking up to this every day, others who believe what a government push through the media as gospel continue to believe. But once u start seeing through lies then it becomes impossible to place ur trust in a government.

And it’s not even just western government, it’s all of them, they all have an agenda. They need to keep the great tax machine running, making the rich richer and maintaining the poor. If we were to be told something that totally blew us away and made us question the validity of the government then like I said there would be unrest, martial law, yada yada yada tax machine stops.

the conclusion that you and many others have come to , that the negatives of the virus far outweigh the negatives of the vaccine is based on information either subject to government censorship or directly from government. Therefor if I can’t trust a government how can I trust the information?

Aaaaand still I haven’t made a comment about my stance on the vaccine, just on the validity of the information provided to the public.
 

Blue brother

Well-Known Member
not compared to sitting on a plastic chair in the living room. lol.

a bad experience with mussels in belgium is where i learned that trick.
What happens to the poo when your sat on the plastic chair, does it have holes in ? image.jpgLike this one ? Can you say play doh factory haha. Ah god mate sorry about the jokes,really hope ur feeling better soon, eating cream and bread or creamy rice helps with the pain on your throat as you spew!
 

captainmorgan

Well-Known Member
Well they only kept my friend for 1 day and sent her home at noon today. Not sure yet if it's because they don't think it's a danger to send her home or they need the bed for a critical patient.
 

rkymtnman

Well-Known Member
What happens to the poo when your sat on the plastic chair, does it have holes in ? View attachment 4869011Like this one ? Can you say play doh factory haha. Ah god mate sorry about the jokes,really hope ur feeling better soon, eating cream and bread or creamy rice helps with the pain on your throat as you spew!
i sat on it backwards. butt facing the drain. lol. and then spin around when you need to puke. it wasn't a pretty situation.
 

captainmorgan

Well-Known Member
They are really ramping up vaccinations here and opened a new one today that can do 5,000 a day plus they have Ford Field were the Lions play football ramping up as well. I signed up at the health dept last week but haven't from them, signed up for Ford field yesterday and will sign up for the new one today.
 

captainmorgan

Well-Known Member
Found out the new spot is called UWM Sports Complex in Pontiac, Michigan and they are using Oakland counties health dept vaccine waiting list, the governor is suppose to tour it today. Ford Field is in Wayne County so it's a different waiting list. They also are vaccinating a the major pharmacies in the state but they use their own waiting lists.
 

Sativied

Well-Known Member
Thankyou for your reply, if you read carefully you will see the threshold for information about lying politicians had allready been met before I decided to speak of it. You’re using Donald trump as the example of disinformation? Would it not be far more accurate to say that the source of disinformation is the government? Considering lies and scandals like these have been at the centre of us administration for over a century ? Long before trump. How do you compare trumps disinformation with the likes of George bush Jnr telling the world Iraq had wmd? And then subsequently invading that country costing the tax payer and killing our brave armed forces?. It’s not wrong to use a specific example. But it’s certainly not the whole picture.

I agree we have to make our own choices based on the information we have to hand. But what information do we actually have to hand that hasn’t at some point been subject to censorship? Healthcare professionals vetted for tv or radio based on their personal belief. The closest u have to an accurate source is the personal experience of someone you trust or yourself. You make the choice to trust a source or many based on how legitimate each source sounds, but remember these are all subject to censorship.

We won’t ever know what’s true and what’s not because we’re being lied to in order for an agenda to be pushed. Been happening for millennia. And it’s certainly not Covid specific. Far from it. People are waking up to this every day, others who believe what a government push through the media as gospel continue to believe. But once u start seeing through lies then it becomes impossible to place ur trust in a government.

And it’s not even just western government, it’s all of them, they all have an agenda. They need to keep the great tax machine running, making the rich richer and maintaining the poor. If we were to be told something that totally blew us away and made us question the validity of the government then like I said there would be unrest, martial law, yada yada yada tax machine stops.

the conclusion that you and many others have come to , that the negatives of the virus far outweigh the negatives of the vaccine is based on information either subject to government censorship or directly from government. Therefor if I can’t trust a government how can I trust the information?

Aaaaand still I haven’t made a comment about my stance on the vaccine, just on the validity of the information provided to the public.
TLDR... actually, I did read it, it’s just that I don’t have the motivation to deprogram people from Russian propaganda. Your suggestion that because censorship exist and politicians lie the government nor the media nor medical experts can be trusted on anything they say including verifiable truths is Rob Roy logic, i.e. it does not follow. No the entire world’s governments, medical professionals, scientific journals etc etc are not all in cahoots with eachother. You “are” in a disinformation loop. You are a successful result of Russian propaganda. Spread many versions of the truth, including the very opposite, and people will no longer be able to tell what’s true. Do you not see the irony.

And no, using Trump, the recent best example of disinformation and “alternative facts” doesn‘t have to tell the whole story on lying governments to still serve as today”s best example.
 

captainmorgan

Well-Known Member
TLDR... actually, I did read it, it’s just that I don’t have the motivation to deprogram people from Russian propaganda. Your suggestion that because censorship exist and politicians lie the government nor the media nor medical experts can be trusted on anything they say including verifiable truths is Rob Roy logic, i.e. it does not follow. No the entire world’s governments, medical professionals, scientific journals etc etc are not all in cahoots with eachother. You “are” in a disinformation loop. You are a successful result of Russian propaganda. Spread many versions of the truth, including the very opposite, and people will no longer be able to tell what’s true. Do you not see the irony.

And no, using Trump, the recent best example of disinformation and “alternative facts” doesn‘t have to tell the whole story on lying governments to still serve as today”s best example.
His sandles are a European brand.
 

DIY-HP-LED

Well-Known Member
Found out the new spot is called UWM Sports Complex in Pontiac, Michigan and they are using Oakland counties health dept vaccine waiting list, the governor is suppose to tour it today. Ford Field is in Wayne County so it's a different waiting list. They also are vaccinating a the major pharmacies in the state but they use their own waiting lists.
Joe is expanding pharmacy roll out many times over, you shouldn't have to wait too long. I've got a longer wait here in NS, but covid rates are very low here, so far...
 
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