Chauvin Trial

[hanimmal]

George Floyd was pressed to death.

There is no question.

It is so scary to think that he has 1 juror to let him off on the consequences of his actions.

 

[schuylaar]

There is no question.

It is so scary to think that he has 1 juror to let him off on the consequences of his actions.

does he?

 

[Fogdog]

does he?

They say that the jury is supposed to be made of people from the community. Given that about 20% of our society are raging racists, the expected value is two jurors will let him off.

 

[schuylaar]

They say that the jury is supposed to be made of people from the community. Given that about 20% of our society are raging racists, the expected value is two jurors will let him off.

i disagree- they get to shop jurors..you don't think there's not someone with headsets on both sides behind the scenes with professional jury services..who to pick; who to pass?

i'm from the community; they won't let me on a jury.

 

[Fogdog]

i disagree- they get to shop jurors..you don't think there's not someone with headsets on both sides behind the scenes with professional jury services..who to pick; who to pass?

i'm from the community; they won't let me on a jury.

Both sides are shopping. The two sides look for different produce. Maybe Chauvin's side picked a few lemons. Maybe, I don't know. I'm just saying that the law of averages puts the expected number of raging racists on that jury at two. Could be more, could be less.

I think Chauvin is going to be let off. It's what happens when cops kill people for no good reason. We need to change the laws and then maybe cops won't be able to just murder people without fear of prosecution. But, I don't want to be right on this.

 

[hanimmal]

does he?

I mean, all of my experience with the law comes from movies, but I always thought you just needed one juror to vote 'not guilty' for someone to get off on their charges. If movies lied to me over all these decades and I am wrong, I apologize.

 

[schuylaar]

I mean, all of my experience with the law comes from movies, but I always thought you just needed one juror to vote 'not guilty' for someone to get off on their charges. If movies lied to me over all these decades and I am wrong, I apologize.

when they narrow it down they check bio's, social media, family, job..is anyone broke? yes? that person is open to being bribed with cash..does anyone have a secret that if got out could jeopardize? and cause mistrial? personality; any mental history?..this is a whole industry.

 

[schuylaar]

Both sides are shopping. The two sides look for different produce. Maybe Chauvin's side picked a few lemons. Maybe, I don't know. I'm just saying that the law of averages puts the expected number of raging racists on that jury at two. Could be more, could be less.

I think Chauvin is going to be let off. It's what happens when cops kill people for no good reason. We need to change the laws and then maybe cops won't be able to just murder people without fear of prosecution. But, I don't want to be right on this.

i disagree..he's going to get too few years imho..everytime ole George breathed out those cops compressed him more and more..3 cop right on top of him. i liked the 3D and taking out the car- you got to see a lot except for the station logo sitting right on top of the most important part of the slide

 

[CunningCanuk]

I mean, all of my experience with the law comes from movies, but I always thought you just needed one juror to vote 'not guilty' for someone to get off on their charges. If movies lied to me over all these decades and I am wrong, I apologize.

A hung jury doesn’t mean acquittal, it means a new trial until a verdict with all 12 jurors in agreement, one way or the other can be reached.

 

[hanimmal]

A hung jury doesn’t mean acquittal, it means a new trial until a verdict with all 12 jurors in agreement, one way or the other can be reached.

That makes sense/sounds right thank you. Now that makes me curious about the Rodney King jury if they found those cops not guilty or it hung.

https://apnews.com/article/fa4d04d8281443fc8db0e27d6be52081

Saturday marks 25 years since the start of one of the deadliest race riots in American history. The violence erupted in South Los Angeles after a jury acquitted four white police officers in the beating of black motorist Rodney King. A look at key events before, during and after the unrest:

— March 3, 1991 — Rodney King is pulled over by California Highway Patrol officers for speeding on a Los Angeles freeway. King, who later admitted he tried to elude authorities because he had been drinking and was on probation for a robbery conviction, pulled off the freeway and eventually stopped his car in front of a San Fernando Valley apartment building. At that point, Los Angeles police officers took charge of the traffic stop. George Holliday, who lived in the apartment building and was awakened by the noise, came out to videotape the scene, filming four white officers beating and kicking the black motorist dozens of times, including after he was on the ground. After Holliday turns over the video to a local TV station, it quickly spreads and creates international outrage.

— March 15, 1991 — A Los Angeles County grand jury indictment is unsealed charging the four officers seen in the video with felony assault and other offenses.


— March 21, 1991 — The four — Sgt. Stacey Koon and officers Theodore Briseno, Laurence Powell and Timothy Wind — plead not guilty.

— Nov. 26, 1991 — The officers’ trial is moved to Simi Valley, California, a nearly all-white suburb 30 miles north of downtown Los Angeles that is home to a large number of LA police officers after a court determines the case’s massive publicity and the highly charged political environment it created might not allow them to receive a fair trial in their own city.

— April 29, 1992 — After seven days of deliberations, jurors acquit the officers of almost all charges, deadlocking on one assault count involving Powell.

— April 29, 1992 — Soon after the verdict is read, an angry Los Angeles Mayor Tom Bradley denounces it as “senseless,” declaring, “The jury’s verdict will never blind the world to what we saw on the videotape.”


— April 29, 1992 — As word of the verdict spreads through predominantly black South Los Angeles, residents explode in anger, burning and looting stores by the hundreds and attacking non-black passers-by. Gov. Pete Wilson complies with Bradley’s request to send in the National Guard.

— May 1, 1992 — On the third day of the riot, King makes an emotional plea for peace, appearing before TV cameras to ask in a trembling voice, “Can we all get along?”

— May 3, 1993 — A citywide curfew enacted at the height of the violence is lifted.


— June 28, 1992 — Police Chief Daryl Gates, under intense public pressure since the King beating to resign, retires from the LAPD after 43 years, the last 14 as chief.

— Aug. 5, 1992 — Three months after their acquittals in criminal court, LAPD Sgt. Stacey Koon and Officers Laurence Powell, Theodore Briseno and Timothy Wind are indicted on federal charges of violating King’s civil rights.

— Dec. 7, 1992 — Damian “Football” Williams, the teenager seen on video smashing a brick into the head of white trucker Reginald Denny at the start of the riots, is convicted of assault and other charges and sentenced to 10 years in prison.


— April 17, 1993 — Koon and Powell are convicted of violating King’s civil rights. Briseno and Wind are acquitted.

— Aug 3, 1994 — The city of Los Angeles agrees to pay King $3.8 million for medical bills, pain and suffering sustained as a result of the beating. The settlement resolves a long legal battle during which the city and King sued each other.

— Aug. 4, 1994 — Powell and Koon are sentenced to 2 1/2 years in prison.

— April 16, 2010 — Gates dies of cancer at age 83.

— June 17, 2012 — Just weeks after the 20th anniversary of the riots and soon after releasing his memoir “The Riot Within: My Journey from Rebellion to Redemption,” King drowns in his backyard swimming pool at age 47.

Turned out they did actually acquit those cops back them.

So I guess that gives me hope that it is far less likely that all 12 jurors find Chauvin not guilty and instead the Jury hangs. If that happens I wonder if the AG immediately comes out with a statement they are not done that it will stop any boiling over.

 

[CunningCanuk]

That makes sense/sounds right thank you. Now that makes me curious about the Rodney King jury if they found those cops not guilty or it hung.

https://apnews.com/article/fa4d04d8281443fc8db0e27d6be52081
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Turned out they did actually acquit those cops back them.

So I guess that gives me hope that it is far less likely that all 12 jurors find Chauvin not guilty and instead the Jury hangs. If that happens I wonder if the AG immediately comes out with a statement they are not done that it will stop any boiling over.

Seeing the evidence I can’t imagine him ever getting acquitted. If there happens to be a hung jury though, Chauvin will remain behind bars in a county jail.

Hopefully that doesn’t happen but if it does, I hope cooler heads will prevail.

 

[Star Dog]

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I would like to agree with you but I can't ignore past cases that have involved police brutality and got acquitted.

I can't bring myself to condem the rioters.

 

[hanimmal]

I would like to agree with you but I can't ignore past cases that have involved police brutality and got acquitted.

I can't bring myself to condem the rioters.

I agree, but will add a slight adjustment of not blaming the non-white aggitator people that riot over the horrible injustices.

https://www.rollitup.org/t/the-people-behind-the-violence-in-the-american-protests-of-george-floyd.1018871/post-15693416

 

[CunningCanuk]

I would like to agree with you but I can't ignore past cases that have involved police brutality and got acquitted.

What makes this case unique as I see it, there’s been no attempt by law enforcement officials to protect Chauvin. For the first time, superiors are speaking out en masse against a law enforcement officer in court.

I’m hoping this will make a difference but yes, I agree, history has shown strong evidence of police brutality hasn’t been enough to convict in the past.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

What makes this case unique as I see it, there’s been no attempt by law enforcement officials to protect Chauvin. For the first time, superiors are speaking out en masse against a law enforcement officer in court.

I’m hoping this will make a difference but yes, I agree, history has shown strong evidence of police brutality hasn’t been enough to convict in the past.

If he get's off you'll see police reform on steroids! The cops better hope they put him away, the reaction would be rather intense, it would go from the streets to congress and onto Joe's desk real fast.

 

[mytwhyt]

The real money is in a hung jury.. They get to charge the same advertisers all over again for the same adds.. That's the way the system works. It's all about just us, and who just us is, depends on which way the wind blows at any given moment. It'll be like reruns on your favorite soap opera.. Those who want can get there Chauvin fix a second time. Maybe a third time for the really committed viewers.

 

[Rob Roy]

We need to change the laws and then maybe cops won't be able to just murder people without fear of prosecution.

What do you propose changes to ensure more frequent justice based outcomes ? Giving a judge more power ?

 

[Fogdog]

The real money is in a hung jury.. They get to charge the same advertisers all over again for the same adds.. That's the way the system works. It's all about just us, and who just us is, depends on which way the wind blows at any given moment. It'll be like reruns on your favorite soap opera.. Those who want can get there Chauvin fix a second time. Maybe a third time for the really committed viewers.

More than likely a hung jury will result in a mistrial and they won't be tried again due to restrictions against double jeopardy.

But, advertising dollars is driving this? lulz Cynicism blocks clear thinking. Public outrage against police brutality is the motivating political force that's pushing even cops to testify against Chauvin.

As far as the protests and property damage that will come from them after Chauvin is let off without acquittal, blame Chauvin and the police department.

 

[CCGNZ]

Can't Fn believe the Virginia traffic stop of the black Army Lt. last night, what hte hell are the police doing, I know he dicked them around a little by driving a bit before pulling over, but he wanted a lit up area w/surveillance,cops maybe a little pissed but not a refusal to stop/pursuit. Talk of electric chair and pepper spray in face WTF. with everything happening in US now and this is how these 2 officers respond. Just keep piling the shit on, unbelievable. How can this country even begin to heal w/this amount of cluelessness. Not a week goes by w/out somemore gas thrown on the fire.ccguns

 

[mooray]

Fear aggression. As society worsens, so will police aggression.