Conservatives programed to trigger at words "Black Lives Matter" by Russian trolls.

[hanimmal]

Views = the mob viewing stuff. Trolls are the ones commenting and raising the entertainers placement in the algorithms.

The election results fake narrative has basically been squashed (not that it had much to continue with once Biden literally took over). If only there were more sides than just two.... Harder to force a narrative when there are multiple groups fighting it with a different narrative. It isn't just politicians pushing narratives (which could be fixed inhouse), entertainers push the narratives to the mob and without trampling freedom of speech, you cannot fix that.

I am always curious how much of the 'influencer' followers are manipulating the person that is supposedly influencing the real users on their feeds.

I know it is a variable amount of radicalization that will go on with each person will likely make any blanket statement about them using 'free speech' vs them being in on the scam, fall flat. But now that I think about that for a second, I bet you could figure out a program to tease out a nice scale of likelihood they were radicalized vs in on the scam based on their interaction with false accounts.

This last decade or two are going to be really interesting view into what it means to be human for a long time with all the books that can be written about this very real problem, that you are right I cannot see any obvious fix either.

 

[Dryxi]

I am always curious how much of the 'influencer' followers are manipulating the person that is supposedly influencing the real users on their feeds.

I know it is a variable amount of radicalization that will go on with each person will likely make any blanket statement about them using 'free speech' vs them being in on the scam, fall flat. But now that I think about that for a second, I bet you could figure out a program to tease out a nice scale of likelihood they were radicalized vs in on the scam based on their interaction with false accounts.

This last decade or two are going to be really interesting view into what it means to be human for a long time with all the books that can be written about this very real problem, that you are right I cannot see any obvious fix either.

I bet viewers/ ppl commenting influence the content a ton. The entertainers read the general trend of the comments to see what direction their viewers like.

 

[hanimmal]

I bet viewers/ ppl commenting influence the content a ton. The entertainers read the general trend of the comments to see what direction their viewers like.

Im thinking about the number of the MAGA crowd (that are (in)famous) that as a percentage allow left-trolls on their feeds and engage with them. And how many have been radicalized vs how many are just fame whores in on the scam.

https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/celebrities-who-support-donald-trump/

 

[Dryxi]

Im thinking about the number of the MAGA crowd (that are (in)famous) that as a percentage allow left-trolls on their feeds and engage with them. And how many have been radicalized vs how many are just fame whores in on the scam.

https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/celebrities-who-support-donald-trump/

I do wonder how many of those celebrities still support Trump now that he is (should be) in the past.

I am thinking more along the lines of the many influencers that have popped up on social media/streaming that make a living being controversial. That list doesn't include any of the names people are seeing on their youtube feeds or the influencers that pretend to give the news along with the narratives their viewers "want". A list including them would be insanely long, and yet they reach millions everyday.

 

[hanimmal]

I do wonder how many of those celebrities still support Trump now that he is (should be) in the past.

I am thinking more along the lines of the many influencers that have popped up on social media/streaming that make a living being controversial. That list doesn't include any of the names people are seeing on their youtube feeds or the influencers that pretend to give the news along with the narratives their viewers "want". A list including them would be insanely long, and yet they reach millions everyday.

Like the $5 donation using bitcoin/untraceable prepaid credit cards kind of thing? I agree strongly. I think that is where the real money is earned. That micro attention being paid on very specific people who fall for their scams because (insert reason that a real person watches them (anything and everything people enjoy enough to try to learn about online and socialize about (like weed cultivation))).

 

[Gmz]

Pretty sure paying attention to the riots and the insane rhetoric that's being pushed is what turned people off of blm. I loved this website but after getting into politics I realize it's just another liberal cesspit. The deceptive narrative based on complete bullshit will blow up in your faces some day and I hope people see that they've been being played, and I know the same thing could be said about people you oppose because you're living in split realities. Don't let your emotions control you and seek the truth... I try to stay in the middle ground but it's insane shit like this that just pushes me further right, Russian trolls programming people into hating blm is just insane lmao, Blm did that themselves.

 

[hanimmal]

Pretty sure paying attention to the riots

Which riots? The one done by a bunch of angry white people on Jan 6th in DC, or the ones done by angry white people during the protests over the summer?

and the insane rhetoric that's being pushed

Mind showing an example please. I haven't heard anyone that actually matters has said something out of line.

is what turned people off of blm.

When did you first hear about 'BLM'?

I loved this website but after getting into politics I realize it's just another liberal cesspit.

Bummer man. What got you into politics? And what do you mean by 'liberal'?

The deceptive narrative based on complete bullshit will blow up in your faces some day and I hope people see that they've been being played, and I know the same thing could be said about people you oppose because you're living in split realities. Don't let your emotions control you and seek the truth... I try to stay in the middle ground but it's insane shit like this that just pushes me further right, Russian trolls programming people into hating blm is just insane lmao, Blm did that themselves.

I have no idea what you mean.

Are you an American, and if so are you ok with the fact that the Russian military is attack our citizens? What I posted is directly from the information in the government reports about the Russian attack on us, so if you are not familiar I would highly recommend understanding the attack and making sure you can help your family and friends through this disinformation warfare.

You saying 'it is just pushing you further right' sucks, but I am guessing that you have no idea how the attack is being conducted and if you are indeed a real person likely getting trolled to make it look like 'the left' is insane.

The fact that you are acting like 'BLM' is something that is anything other than a title that got thrust on everything not MAGA this last year just shows that you should suck it up and stick around. Assuming that you are a real person.

 

[Dryxi]

Which riots? The one done by a bunch of angry white people on Jan 6th in DC, or the ones done by angry white people during the protests over the summer?

Mind showing an example please. I haven't heard anyone that actually matters has said something out of line.

When did you first hear about 'BLM'?

Bummer man. What got you into politics? And what do you mean by 'liberal'?

I have no idea what you mean.

Are you an American, and if so are you ok with the fact that the Russian military is attack our citizens? What I posted is directly from the information in the government reports about the Russian attack on us, so if you are not familiar I would highly recommend understanding the attack and making sure you can help your family and friends through this disinformation warfare.

You saying 'it is just pushing you further right' sucks, but I am guessing that you have no idea how the attack is being conducted and if you are indeed a real person likely getting trolled to make it look like 'the left' is insane.

The fact that you are acting like 'BLM' is something that is anything other than a title that got thrust on everything not MAGA this last year just shows that you should suck it up and stick around. Assuming that you are a real person.

Not to defend the right, but it isn't insane to say the left is crazy too. The rhetoric coming from both sides (mainstream media are the ones that matter here, they pander the narratives much more thoroughly than the politicians themselves) is a problem. I wonder, are we sure the trolls from Russia only occupy the right? Does it not make sense if the goal is to sow discord, to be trolling on both sides? Possibly many people here have been influenced by the Russian trolls and they don't only live under the "Republican" bridge.

 

[Gmz]

Which riots? The one done by a bunch of angry white people on Jan 6th in DC, or the ones done by angry white people during the protests over the summer?

I mean the riots throughout 2020, I was watching the live streams like it was television for entertainment lol. When David Dorn got shot and recorded as he bled out is when I started to think BLM is bunk because they gave 0 shits about his life.

Mind showing an example please. I haven't heard anyone that actually matters has said something out of line.

All the preaching for unity yet promoting things like CRT and white privilege seems pretty damn divisive, there's no shortage of political figures that support those things.

When did you first hear about 'BLM'?

During the Michael Brown protests, I got sucked into the police brutality rabbit hole and like anyone got pretty damn angry. I feel like that's what too many people are doing, seeking out police brutality and just filling their heads with it... Hard not to be mad, hard not to realize that the majority of police officers are good people.

Bummer man. What got you into politics? And what do you mean by 'liberal'?

Being told that I need to vote and not wanting to vote blindly, by liberal I just mean "left", it seems impossible to have a discussion about this stuff without being offensive but I feel like people have created these echo chambers, just feeding off of confirmation bias and anyone with opposing views just get shut out which just creates more echo chambers

I have no idea what you mean.

Are you an American, and if so are you ok with the fact that the Russian military is attack our citizens? What I posted is directly from the information in the government reports about the Russian attack on us, so if you are not familiar I would highly recommend understanding the attack and making sure you can help your family and friends through this disinformation warfare.

You saying 'it is just pushing you further right' sucks, but I am guessing that you have no idea how the attack is being conducted and if you are indeed a real person likely getting trolled to make it look like 'the left' is insane.

The fact that you are acting like 'BLM' is something that is anything other than a title that got thrust on everything not MAGA this last year just shows that you should suck it up and stick around. Assuming that you are a real person.

The title turned me off from going through it mainly because there's an abundance of footage and literature based on the blm movement that I'd think would turn off the average person, I just don't see Russian bot ads to be the number 1 reason for people not approving of blm.

 

[hanimmal]

Not to defend the right, but it isn't insane to say the left is crazy too.

This is where it is important to define what you mean by 'right' and 'left'. Are you talking about politicians in a particular party, in a hearing, or during interviews, or even on twitter? Because I am reasonably willing (couple people on 'left' that I am comfortable calling trolls, even if not on Putin's (at least Russian tax payer's) dime like Talib and what's her face out of Hawaii).

Or are you just talking about

The rhetoric coming from both sides (mainstream media are the ones that matter here, they pander the narratives much more thoroughly than the politicians themselves) is a problem.

Now it is important to consider what 'mainstream media' are. Do you mean a actual legal entity of a news company like Trump likes to pretend is that buzzword. Or maybe do you extend it out to the talking heads that television news media companies like MSNBC do that can very easily get over their skies and mistake their trolls planted stories for actual news that has been verified.

For me 'mainstream media' is just a nonspecific term people are programmed to use to describe something they think they saw somewhere. That is everything, and the internet is one big blank canvas to spam bullshit narratives and steer people though them enough times that they start to believe the lies.

And as for the politicians, I would stick to watching the full videos. The click bait edited soundbites are way too easy to make and fund using online sock puppet payment methods, it is impossible to know who is funding these things for anyone who is not able to access their data with powerful enough computers to process everything and follow those threads where they go.

I wonder, are we sure the trolls from Russia only occupy the right?

Of course they don't just occupy the right. If you haven't ever seen me describe a 'left troll'?

https://www.rollitup.org/t/trumps-war-on-factual-news-journalism.1020994/post-15615786



Any side of any issue is trolled and those trolls are used as an example of how 'they' are crazy, and here is all the cherry picked narrative reasons as to why 'they' are wrong (usually very real reasons are given as to why 'they' are wrong).

Then when a real person who is shown this spam over and over again wanders into a troll trap, they get trolled by whatever it is that makes them upset. Giving valuable information on how to further radicalize that person. And this is how the click bait spam is so effective at showing them exactly what they want to see is manipulated by the militarized profiles that we know for a fact that Trump and the Russian military were using to attack our citizens with.

SO it doesn't matter what 'side' someone is on, if they are 'left' to troll the shit out of them from the middle/right and radicalize them to not voting, or if the people that are attacking our citizens stumble across someone really vulnerable, the sky is the limit.

The only bullshit though is saying that 'the left' is responsible for the left-troll propaganda.

The Hill, the Nation, Oann, NY Post, Breitbart, on and on, all bullshit scams showing cherry picked narratives from every angle of the political spectrum.

Does it not make sense if the goal is to sow discord, to be trolling on both sides?

Absolutely.

https://www.rollitup.org/t/change-my-mind-please.1024266/post-15668217

And they do it on every platform.

Possibly many people here have been influenced by the Russian trolls and they don't only live under the "Republican" bridge.

Very true, that is why it is so very important for people to really learn about this attack that is happening to us all.

 

[hanimmal]

I mean the riots throughout 2020, I was watching the live streams like it was television for entertainment lol. When David Dorn got shot and recorded as he bled out is when I started to think BLM is bunk because they gave 0 shits about his life.

Mind checking this thread out and letting me know if any of it looks familiar?

https://www.rollitup.org/t/the-people-behind-the-violence-in-the-american-protests-of-george-floyd.1018871/post-15693416

I will have to look into David Dorn.

It looks like a murderer but not sure how it is tied in with any actual social justice protest.

All the preaching for unity yet promoting things like CRT and white privilege seems pretty damn divisive, there's no shortage of political figures that support those things.

Also the way you say it sure if you believe that is a real thing, but I would question the source that you heard about it on. I have never in my life heard a Democratic politician or any person I have met say anything about this. You are the second time I have heard it, and the first was because of some soundbite from Fox/Republican politician.

During the Michael Brown protests, I got sucked into the police brutality rabbit hole and like anyone got pretty damn angry. I feel like that's what too many people are doing, seeking out police brutality and just filling their heads with it...

I had to look it up, seems like it was around August 2014.

This is exactly when the attack on our democracy by the Russian military has been shown to have intensified.

Where did you watch them? Do you remember the actual video on youtube for example, or was it just on TV/Radio mainly? I understand if you don't want to answer, but I am actually curious and willing to go down the rabbit holes, because it is important.

Everyone is getting slammed with the worse of our society and it is impossible to not be impacted by it. And once you are, it is easy for data software to make sure that you get it in the precise measurements to make it that much easier to spam you effectively.

Hard not to be mad, hard not to realize that the majority of police officers are good people.

You are exactly right. The vast majority of the time there is not a reason for people to be cruel to one another. Technology gives us the unfortuneant ability to communicate those absolutely worse extremely rare moments where people are at the worse in a utterly inescapable way.

And it is scary that our police and their families are also under the exact same pinpoint accurate attack that everyone else is under.

https://www.rollitup.org/t/fisa-abuse-troll-is-a-scam.1000451/post-15926215

Being told that I need to vote and not wanting to vote blindly, by liberal I just mean "left", it seems impossible to have a discussion about this stuff without being offensive but I feel like people have created these echo chambers, just feeding off of confirmation bias and anyone with opposing views just get shut out which just creates more echo chambers

The entire internet is a echo chamber man.

I would just question why you think that all of the people are not just sock puppet trolls though. This is why the ignore feature is so important to get very acquainted with. It is impossible to not be sucked into the troll narratives that you see on a constant basis. It is so hard for actual conversations to be had because it is impossible to even understand what a 'fact' is to one another.

The title turned me off from going through it mainly because there's an abundance of footage and literature based on the blm movement that I'd think would turn off the average person,

I get it. I did make it a bit click bait-y because it is important that people understand that they are constantly being spammed with the very worst propaganda moments of these protests and other cherry picked narratives are understood for what they are. Just like cops are being exploited to the same effect.

This is why click bait spam propaganda brandnames like 'BLM', 'ANTIFA', is repeated over and over by trolls to get everything that person finds negative/positive gets pushed onto that one trigger word.

I just don't see Russian bot ads to be the number 1 reason for people not approving of blm.

You are mistaken about the 'ads' troll man. It was barely anything to do with the attack on us all, and is used as a scape goat by Republicans in hearings to be able to diminish the attack. If you feel up to it, I went through all this before because there was a troll pushing these narratives earlier.

https://www.rollitup.org/t/trumps-war-on-factual-news-journalism.1020994/post-15615786

I really hope that you are an actual person and stick around.

 

[Sativied]

Very true, that is why it is so very important for people to really learn about this attack that is happening to us all.

Or... well, and, maybe it‘s a cue to finally really address the issue Richard Hofstadter pointed out so well 60 years ago already, Anti-Intellectualism in American Life. A disease that has been spreading the world at an increased rate thanks to Trump. “The left” is almost as bad as “the right” when it comes to doubling down when they’re wrong. On social media both sides (in the US) revert to the same ol’ fallacies when confronted with facts that refute their preconceived and herd-generated notions. (not talking about Biden, he’s doing great) Just as with digital attacks, consider the russian attempts as a free pen test, i.e. a penetration test performed by ethical hackers to expose a weakness in the target. And then address it.

 

[Dryxi]

This is where it is important to define what you mean by 'right' and 'left'. Are you talking about politicians in a particular party, in a hearing, or during interviews, or even on twitter? Because I am reasonably willing (couple people on 'left' that I am comfortable calling trolls, even if not on Putin's (at least Russian tax payer's) dime like Talib and what's her face out of Hawaii).

Or are you just talking about


Now it is important to consider what 'mainstream media' are. Do you mean a actual legal entity of a news company like Trump likes to pretend is that buzzword. Or maybe do you extend it out to the talking heads that television news media companies like MSNBC do that can very easily get over their skies and mistake their trolls planted stories for actual news that has been verified.

For me 'mainstream media' is just a nonspecific term people are programmed to use to describe something they think they saw somewhere. That is everything, and the internet is one big blank canvas to spam bullshit narratives and steer people though them enough times that they start to believe the lies.

And as for the politicians, I would stick to watching the full videos. The click bait edited soundbites are way too easy to make and fund using online sock puppet payment methods, it is impossible to know who is funding these things for anyone who is not able to access their data with powerful enough computers to process everything and follow those threads where they go.

Of course they don't just occupy the right. If you haven't ever seen me describe a 'left troll'?

https://www.rollitup.org/t/trumps-war-on-factual-news-journalism.1020994/post-15615786

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Any side of any issue is trolled and those trolls are used as an example of how 'they' are crazy, and here is all the cherry picked narrative reasons as to why 'they' are wrong (usually very real reasons are given as to why 'they' are wrong).

Then when a real person who is shown this spam over and over again wanders into a troll trap, they get trolled by whatever it is that makes them upset. Giving valuable information on how to further radicalize that person. And this is how the click bait spam is so effective at showing them exactly what they want to see is manipulated by the militarized profiles that we know for a fact that Trump and the Russian military were using to attack our citizens with.

SO it doesn't matter what 'side' someone is on, if they are 'left' to troll the shit out of them from the middle/right and radicalize them to not voting, or if the people that are attacking our citizens stumble across someone really vulnerable, the sky is the limit.

The only bullshit though is saying that 'the left' is responsible for the left-troll propaganda.

The Hill, the Nation, Oann, NY Post, Breitbart, on and on, all bullshit scams showing cherry picked narratives from every angle of the political spectrum.


Absolutely.

https://www.rollitup.org/t/change-my-mind-please.1024266/post-15668217

And they do it on every platform.


Very true, that is why it is so very important for people to really learn about this attack that is happening to us all.

Its a rough life when the News isn't the News, but they say they are the News, and are cited like the News; sometimes even the real News cites them. LOL but true. I think mainstream media are the main broadcasting networks on cable and such, so that would include all the talking heads on those various channels.

I saw you referenced left-trolls literally one post before me when i was re-reading it.... but i had already posted the referenced post like 30 minutes prior to noticing it. In the end decided not to go back and edit, but should've ;p

 

[hanimmal]

Or... well, and, maybe it‘s a cue to finally really address the issue Richard Hofstadter pointed out so well 60 years ago already, Anti-Intellectualism in American Life. A disease that has been spreading the world at an increased rate thanks to Trump. “The left” is almost as bad as “the right” when it comes to doubling down when they’re wrong. On social media both sides (in the US) revert to the same ol’ fallacies when confronted with facts that refute their preconceived and herd-generated notions. (not talking about Biden, he’s doing great) Just as with digital attacks, consider the russian attempts as a free pen test, i.e. a penetration test performed by ethical hackers to expose a weakness in the target. And then address it.

It is just the latest and most effective way to con a massive amount of people.

60 years ago sounds about right to understand how easily it would be found out that humanity has acted pretty damn stupid for far too long.

As for the rest, sure. I am figuring that will end up being the stance as soon as Putin and any other foreign dictator that has been attacking our citizens pulls the inevitable and obvious 'just trolling' and it stops. It is going to leave this batch of Republicans and possible handful of Democrats left holding the bad.

But it needs to be done. This shit needs to stop.

America got out from under our would be dictator in one term, and the Republicans are just trying to keep the con going.

But its all out of my hands. Really is all on Putin (and others maybe) how he is going to respond.

 

[Sativied]

This shit needs to stop.

That’s a bit like Dutch saying the oceans needs to stop sending us waves though. Not going to happen as long as Russia ()and China) is connected to the internet. Instead we build dikes. It’s (as I mentioned before) an inevitable result of the democracy of knowledge. Not too long ago knowledge came from authoritative sources. Nowadays everyone can (pretend to) have knowledge. Same guy, Richard Hofstadter (dutch name so must be good ) wrote a lot about that too. We’re in a transition period that will pass and result in a smarter human population. Sure, the Russians/Putin are annoying, but the solution lies in arming people with intellectual honesty, not in giving Putin more power and responsibility than he has, not in WWIII.

 

[hanimmal]

That’s a bit like Dutch saying the oceans needs to stop sending us waves though. Not going to happen as long as Russia ()and China) is connected to the internet. Instead we build dikes. It’s (as I mentioned before) an inevitable result of the democracy of knowledge. Not too long ago knowledge came from authoritative sources. Nowadays everyone can (pretend to) have knowledge. Same guy, Richard Hofstadter (dutch name so must be good ) wrote a lot about that too. We’re in a transition period that will pass and result in a smarter human population. Sure, the Russians/Putin are annoying, but the solution lies in arming people with intellectual honesty, not in giving Putin more power and responsibility than he has, not in WWIII.

I know we are coming from similar but slightly askew positions.

My position is from inside the country that is currently attacking all of my friends, family, neighbors, and fellow country men and women. Which if the 500k+ deaths tell us anything is disinformation is extremely dangerous.

That means my appropriate reaction is to say 'stop'.

Because as soon as the warfare is stopped Americans will be able to actually understand what facts are without the cherry picked narratives they get from the dude that owns Fox propaganda networks.

Putin if he doesn't back off and say 'just trolling the Republicans' he will continue to be the scape goat. Maybe he likes that because his position is pretty stable as he is murdering his only actual political rival as we type, and is a lot like MBS where it really doesn't matter. So who knows. Like I said I am just one random American, everything I am talking about is already part of the public record or doesn't matter at all.

I agree that this too will pass. Trump already let the cat out of the bag. Who knows how long this trolling scam would have gone undiscovered if Trump hadn't exposed the whole thing because he sucks at everything he has ever done, and surrounds himself with idiots who think they are big time criminals.

 

[LibertyCap76]

Both parties are absolute trash, if you are a bootlicker for either party and your absolute trust in politicians, you need some self reflection..

Sincerely,

A libertarian

 

[hanimmal]

Both parties are absolute trash, if you are a bootlicker for either party and your absolute trust in politicians, you need some self reflection..

Sincerely,

A libertarian

The Paul's are absolutely corrupt, and the whole 'von misses' economic thing is a complete scam. "Independent" is another variation of 'non-voter' ready to be nudged one way or the other.

But I get it, a lot of time and money has gone into the 'both sides' trolling.

 

[Sativied]

That means my appropriate reaction is to say 'stop'.

Appropriate indeed. Whether it”s stopped should imo not depend one bit on Putin.

Because as soon as the warfare is stopped Americans will be able to actually understand what facts are without the cherry picked narratives they get from the dude that owns Fox propaganda networks.

I guess that’s where our positions slightly differ then. Specifically, I think you’re attributing Putin with more power and responsibility than he has. Which wouldn’t necessarily be a bad thing to overdo if it weren’t for the fact that is playing his game. Putin is abusing a weakness that was already there. Stopping him doesn’t fix the weakness. People need to be vaccinated against disinformation regardless of the source, the end of Putin doesn’t mean Americans (or any other targets for that matter) will become any better at separating facts from fiction.

Maybe he likes that because his position is pretty stable as he is murdering his only actual political rival as we type

His position is more unstable than ever, which is exactly why he moved an army to the borders of Ukraine (not to conquer the world as some like to think). So NATO responds and Putin can fool the Russian population they need a strong leader like him. I read Biden is calling for dialogue. Makes me almost man crush the ol’ man. Might even rub his leg a lil.

 

[LibertyCap76]

The Paul's are absolutely corrupt, and the whole 'von misses' economic thing is a complete scam. "Independent" is another variation of 'non-voter' ready to be nudged one way or the other.

But I get it, a lot of time and money has gone into the 'both sides' trolling.

Rand Paul is sellout...Mama Jo is where its at lol