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Limoges Farmer

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I've had the worst luck trying to clone with my 96 site Turbo Kloner.

For those that do not clone with an aeroponic for cloning machine, this may be out of your range of experience.

Environment:
I do all my growing in a room that is under my garage. That means all the walls the floor, and the ceiling are made of concrete. This keeps the room cool, so I had to make a cloning chamber.
In this cloning chamber, I have a heating pad set to about 68°F. It gets a bit warmer, and probably will get 4-5 degrees warmer come summer. The concern is that I don't want the air to be much warmer than that because the cloning water nds up being the same temperature as the air. And we don't wasn't the roots getting warmer than °F.
I have a temperature and humidity controller that monitors the water temperature and air humidity. The room RH is around 55°. I could increase it a bit with a humidifier.
The lighting is done with a Viparspectra XS2000, 240 Watt quantum board with dimmer, set at about 30%.
Water: well water that is filtered, softened, then pressed through an RO.
Food: Clonex, lower concentration
Ph. after adding Clonex: 5.8 - 6.0
5 -10mL of 29% H2O2 is added to the 30L sump.

I have a fan on 24/7 circulating the air, but not blowing directly on the clippings.

After a couple days, I "paint" the stems with cloning gel, let it for a couple minutes, then give the a couple minutes to soak it in, then turn on the machine.

I got one strain to finally root after 6 weeks, but the rest are not showing any signs of rooting. The ones that rooted are not looking very good.

I change my water every week or sooner if I see stuff floating.20210508_152005.jpg


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The two rows to the left are 4 weeks old, the rest are 1 to 1.5 weeks old.

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Wastei

Wastei

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twentyeight.threefive said:
Increase your temps and RH. Did the cutting look that unhealthy when they started?
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Opposite of this. Decrease temps. You shouldn't have to care about temps or humidity when water cloning. I set and forget mine with 66F on the floor.
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Lower temps keep fungal growth at bay in Aero/hydro. A little bloom nutes and a drop of chlorine, shouldn't be more complicated.
 
xtsho

xtsho

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Since I haven't used my DIY in years this might be out of my range of experience. Having said that. When I used a water cloner all I did was take my cuts and put them in the cloner with nothing but plain tap water. No clonex and no h2o2. Just ambient light and no dome. Pretty much 100% success every time. I don't think you really need that light over the clones. I've always found they root faster in minimal light.

What do you mean after a couple of days you "paint" the stems with clonex? How are you doing that? Things are happening on those stems that you can't see with the naked eye as the roots start to form. You might be brushing off the beginnings of what would become roots by disturbing the stems when you brush on that unnecessary additional clonex.
 
SpideyManDan

SpideyManDan

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Wastei said:
Opposite of this. Decrease temps. You shouldn't have to care about temps or humidity when water cloning. I set and forget mine with 66F on the floor.
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Lower temps keep fungal growth at bay in Aero/hydro.
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Fair enough. I dont have enough experience with hydro or an aero cloner. I was thinking of it like soil which is my bad were moisture plus cooler temps equal mold and mildew in soil.
 
Wastei

Wastei

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xtsho said:
Since I haven't used my DIY in years this might be out of my range of experience. Having said that. When I used a water cloner all I did was take my cuts and put them in the cloner with nothing but plain tap water. No clonex and no h2o2. Just ambient light and no dome. Pretty much 100% success every time. I don't think you really need that light over the clones. I've always found they root faster in minimal light.

What do you mean after a couple of days you "paint" the stems with clonex? How are you doing that? Things are happening on those stems that you can't see with the naked eye as the roots start to form. You might be brushing off the beginnings of what would become roots by disturbing the stems when you brush on that unnecessary additional clonex.
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Very true. Low light intensity equals root growth faster. They don't stretch as much with just a simple light but I've done it without light also, just ambient. I think the one I use is maybe 8w. Cheers!
 
Richard Drysift

Richard Drysift

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My clone king aero cloner is on cold concrete through the winter; works just fine as is no heat pad no humidity control no domes no clonex. Tap water by itself works ok but two drops of Rapidstart in the water roots cuttings in a week or less. For the record I used to suck at this too; I found that warm temps breed bad bacteria. Be sure your pump is not warming up the water; you can set it on a recycle timer to something like 1min on 1 min off as opposed to always on if that is the case.
 
Lordhooha

Lordhooha

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Limoges Farmer said:
I've had the worst luck trying to clone with my 96 site Turbo Kloner.

For those that do not clone with an aeroponic for cloning machine, this may be out of your range of experience.

Environment:
I do all my growing in a room that is under my garage. That means all the walls the floor, and the ceiling are made of concrete. This keeps the room cool, so I had to make a cloning chamber.
In this cloning chamber, I have a heating pad set to about 68°F. It gets a bit warmer, and probably will get 4-5 degrees warmer come summer. The concern is that I don't want the air to be much warmer than that because the cloning water nds up being the same temperature as the air. And we don't wasn't the roots getting warmer than °F.
I have a temperature and humidity controller that monitors the water temperature and air humidity. The room RH is around 55°. I could increase it a bit with a humidifier.
The lighting is done with a Viparspectra XS2000, 240 Watt quantum board with dimmer, set at about 30%.
Water: well water that is filtered, softened, then pressed through an RO.
Food: Clonex, lower concentration
Ph. after adding Clonex: 5.8 - 6.0
5 -10mL of 29% H2O2 is added to the 30L sump.

I have a fan on 24/7 circulating the air, but not blowing directly on the clippings.

After a couple days, I "paint" the stems with cloning gel, let it for a couple minutes, then give the a couple minutes to soak it in, then turn on the machine.

I got one strain to finally root after 6 weeks, but the rest are not showing any signs of rooting. The ones that rooted are not looking very good.

I change my water every week or sooner if I see stuff floating.View attachment 4897161


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The two rows to the left are 4 weeks old, the rest are 1 to 1.5 weeks old.

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I clone I don't ph my water I throw in enough cyclone from cyclone to turn the water slightly red. Add 300 ppm to my clones and rh is 90%. I get 100% success in 4 or so days.
 
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A.k.a

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I don’t know much about this but it sounds overly complicated.

I just did my first clones when I topped my plants and dropped them in a jar of water and put them in a clear tub under a couple t5 bar lights. 75-80f in the room and all rooted between 10-13 days.
 
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Limoges Farmer

Member
V256.420 said:
6 weeks and they look that healthy? Are they getting food from somewhere? The clonex? They really wont root if they have a food source. Starve the bitches to death and force them to root :eyesmoke:
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Sorry. 4.5 weeks old, but only the ones on the left that have rooted.
The other ones are 6 - 10 days old
 
Therrion

Therrion

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I get 100% clones with an aero cloner. Besides putting cloning gel on a few days after, I'm at a loss. The gel is meant to prevent an embolism right after you cut them. In an aero cloner, never cover them. The humidity at the root zone is more than adequate.
 
Nizza

Nizza

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Limoges Farmer said:
I wanted to use these lights as they see the same as my flowering room. The premise being they would be used to the light when transplanted to the flowering room.
I have fluorescent light I can use.
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just use the fluorescent or put it near the veg tent with the zipper open or something. Your main issue is too much light causing it to metabolize and try to grow instead of root.

also, after trying with or without additives, I found simple tap water works best. My tap water has chloramine in it and basic minerals and I found any additives are unnecessary. If using well water you may want to add a little bleach or hydrogen peroxide to sterilize the chamber to ensure healthy root growth.

an extra trick~ a day or two after cloning, do a reservoir swap. You need to do this because any little pieces of plant matter from initial cloning will be refreshed, and also cleaning out any pucks from clones that didnt take makes the next week hassle free.

an aero cloner can also have a recycle timer put on it so that you arent heating up the water as much with the pump, if heat is an issue. It is actually good to have it on/off so you achieve the proper oxygen

some strains can be difficult as well. Try old growth and new growth to determine which is a better part of the plant to cut
 
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